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Re: Signs

Re: Signs

2015-10-04 by Steve Wilson

It is possible for a bad chip to cause stability or tuning problems,  however, it's far more likely that the external heating resistor is bad (or the transistor controlling it is),  perhaps a bad opamp in the control voltage circuitry,  or even just old electrolytic caps.   The ssm2033 is a really robust chip. 

I would make the assumption that it isn't the ssm2033,  and try to disprove your assumption by eliminating other possibilities. 

-Steve 

Re: [korg_mono-poly] Re: Signs

2015-10-04 by florian anwander

Am 04.10.2015 um 18:47 schrieb Steve Wilson
lighterthanairflight@gmail.com [korg_mono-poly]:
> however, it's far more likely that the external heating resistor is
> bad (or the transistor controlling it is), perhaps a bad opamp in the
> control voltage circuitry, or even just old electrolytic caps.
To be honest: the most likely failure are the trimmers, they collect
dirt and the center trace can corrode - even the closed models.

If I am in restoring any old synth, then the first action is replacing
the trimmers with modern sealed cermet trimmers, if possible 25-turn
trimmers.


Florian

(and please everyone: forget the electrolytic caps fairy tale - drying
elco caps will happen under thermal stress. This is reality in a
professional mixing consol from the seventies, which wasn't switched off
while the last 40 years. Those consoles get quite hot (we measured in a
SSL G4000 an average temperature of 55 degrees celsius!), but in a
normal synth such temperature never will happen - even in a CS80.

If recapping is required then at old mylar caps or tantalum capacitors.
And if those go bad, you will hear and smell it.

Re: Signs

2015-10-05 by Steve Wilson

I will agree with you that trim pots are a good idea,  but I will respectfully disagree about the electrolytic capacitors.   I have seen electrolytics spilling their guts in polysixs monopolys and plenty of other synths,  and they do cause problems.   I've certainly seen more problems due to electrolytics in mono/polys and polysixes than I have from trim pots being dirty.

-Steve 

Re: Signs

2015-10-05 by Steve Wilson

Also,  the ssm2033 doesn't have a thermistor on it in the MP4,  those are just metal film resistors.  
They aren't used for temperature compensation they are used to heat up the chip.  The internal heater in the ssm2033 takes too long to heat up, so Korg affixed additional resistors on top of each chip that are driven by the 2sd794s to help speed up the process. It's pretty ingenious really.

What I would suggest if you really want to move the chip is to unsolder the resistor and move it with the chip without removing the resistor from the chip.   The thermal conformal coating that Korg used is pretty nice,  but once you break the bond, the resistor won't help the chip heat up as well...  You can always use thermal compound to help transfer the heat,  but i have found that the heating rates are different So you'll have one chip that lags behind the others. 
Unless you have to replace an oscillator chip,  I would say don't remove that resistor. 

-Steve