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Oscillators 2 and 4 will not stay in tune!

Oscillators 2 and 4 will not stay in tune!

2009-02-16 by namdoogpdx

Hey Y'all,
All of a sudden OSC 2 and OSC 4 won't stay in tune. On certain
octaves one or the other will stay in tune but if you go up or down
they gradually begin to drift. For some reason, keeping the effects on
seems to help a bit but I don't want to use X or Frequency mod 100% of
the time...totally sucks.
I always let my Mono/Poly warm up for 20 minutes at least before
I even touch it, and after that OSC 1 and 3 stay perfectly in tune.
This is really frustrating, since I've only had this synth for 6
months and it worked fine up until just recently. I'm very gentle with
my keyboards and don't have problems with any of my other synths. Has
anybody out there had this same problem? I know nothing about
synthesizer repair so I also need to ask if this is repairable or if I
am screwed. Any and all help or advice would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks, everyone!

-J.G.

Re: [korg_mono-poly] Oscillators 2 and 4 will not stay in tune!

2009-02-17 by Florian Anwander

Hello J.G.

The ocateve-switching has its own trimming potentiometer. It should be
not too difficult to do the correction:

I descriebd it at
http://fa.utfs.org/diy/korg_monopoly/vco_adjustment.html
read the setting for Trimmer VR101

This file...
http://fa.utfs.org/diy/korg_monopoly/mp_16_klm_354_layout_TRIMMERS.jpg
...shows the VCO-pcb as you look at it from the rear side (as you look
at it, when you open the synth). The trimmers for the octave switches
are the ones at the most upper and most lower boarder of the board - I
named them "Scale Octave Switch".

If you think, you won't be able to do this on your own, then any
electronically gifted person should be able to setup your synth with
this description.

Florian

namdoogpdx schrieb:
> Hey Y'all,
> All of a sudden OSC 2 and OSC 4 won't stay in tune. On certain
> octaves one or the other will stay in tune but if you go up or down
> they gradually begin to drift. For some reason, keeping the effects on
> seems to help a bit but I don't want to use X or Frequency mod 100% of
> the time...totally sucks.
> I always let my Mono/Poly warm up for 20 minutes at least before
> I even touch it, and after that OSC 1 and 3 stay perfectly in tune.
> This is really frustrating, since I've only had this synth for 6
> months and it worked fine up until just recently. I'm very gentle with
> my keyboards and don't have problems with any of my other synths. Has
> anybody out there had this same problem? I know nothing about
> synthesizer repair so I also need to ask if this is repairable or if I
> am screwed. Any and all help or advice would be greatly appreciated!
>
> Thanks, everyone!
>
> -J.G.
>
>
>
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Re: Oscillators 2 and 4 will not stay in tune!

2009-02-17 by crc1@rocketmail.com

hey j.g.!

make sure you have the detune knob turned down to zero, since it
detunes osc's 2 and 4. i tend to forget it from time to time.

it is normal that when the effects are on' that it is in tune, since
it syncs osc's 2,3 and 4 to osc 1 (single mode) or osc 2 to 1 and osc
4 to 3 (double mode) and therefor it's only osc 1 or osc 1 and 3 that
matter.

cheers!

.michael


--- In korg_mono-poly@yahoogroups.com, "namdoogpdx" <namdoogpdx@...>
wrote:
>
> Hey Y'all,
> All of a sudden OSC 2 and OSC 4 won't stay in tune. On certain
> octaves one or the other will stay in tune but if you go up or down
> they gradually begin to drift. For some reason, keeping the effects on
> seems to help a bit but I don't want to use X or Frequency mod 100% of
> the time...totally sucks.
> I always let my Mono/Poly warm up for 20 minutes at least before
> I even touch it, and after that OSC 1 and 3 stay perfectly in tune.
> This is really frustrating, since I've only had this synth for 6
> months and it worked fine up until just recently. I'm very gentle with
> my keyboards and don't have problems with any of my other synths. Has
> anybody out there had this same problem? I know nothing about
> synthesizer repair so I also need to ask if this is repairable or if I
> am screwed. Any and all help or advice would be greatly appreciated!
>
> Thanks, everyone!
>
> -J.G.
>

Re: [korg_mono-poly] Re: Oscillators 2 and 4 will not stay in tune!

2009-02-17 by Alan Dicker

Sorry I just want to clafify your problem.  is it that OSC 3 and 4 are consitantley out of tune with the other synths as in allways out by the same amount or do they not keytrack the keyboard in the same way as OSC 1 and 2?

--- On Tue, 17/2/09, crc1@rocketmail.com <crc@substanssi.net> wrote:
From: crc1@rocketmail.com <crc@substanssi.net>
Subject: [korg_mono-poly] Re: Oscillators 2 and 4 will not stay in tune!
To: korg_mono-poly@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 17 February, 2009, 8:55 AM

hey j.g.!

make sure you have the detune knob turned down to zero, since it
detunes osc's 2 and 4. i tend to forget it from time to time.

it is normal that when the effects are on' that it is in tune, since
it syncs osc's 2,3 and 4 to osc 1 (single mode) or osc 2 to 1 and osc
4 to 3 (double mode) and therefor it's only osc 1 or osc 1 and 3 that
matter.

cheers!

.michael

--- In korg_mono-poly@ yahoogroups. com, "namdoogpdx" <namdoogpdx@ ...>
wrote:
>
> Hey Y'all,
> All of a sudden OSC 2 and OSC 4 won't stay in tune. On certain
> octaves one or the other will stay in tune but if you go up or down
> they gradually begin to drift. For some reason, keeping the effects on
> seems to help a bit but I don't want to use X or Frequency mod 100% of
> the time...totally sucks.
> I always let my Mono/Poly warm up for 20 minutes at least before
> I even touch it, and after that OSC 1 and 3 stay perfectly in tune.
> This is really frustrating, since I've only had this synth for 6
> months and it worked fine up until just recently. I'm very gentle with
> my keyboards and don't have problems with any of my other synths. Has
> anybody out there had this same problem? I know nothing about
> synthesizer repair so I also need to ask if this is repairable or if I
> am screwed. Any and all help or advice would be greatly appreciated!
>
> Thanks, everyone!
>
> -J.G.
>


Re: [korg_mono-poly] Re: Oscillators 2 and 4 will not stay in tune!

2009-02-17 by Joel Goodman

OSCs 2 and 4 keytrack differently than 1 and 3. 1 and 3 keep in tune perfectly the way a keyboard should, but 2 and 4 only do so on one higher octave, and drift more drasticly the further up or down you go...And yes, the detune knob is all the way down!
Thanks!

From: Alan Dicker <alanmdicker@yahoo.co.uk>
To: korg_mono-poly@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:30:09 AM
Subject: Re: [korg_mono-poly] Re: Oscillators 2 and 4 will not stay in tune!

Sorry I just want to clafify your problem.  is it that OSC 3 and 4 are consitantley out of tune with the other synths as in allways out by the same amount or do they not keytrack the keyboard in the same way as OSC 1 and 2?

--- On Tue, 17/2/09, crc1@rocketmail. com <crc@substanssi. net> wrote:
From: crc1@rocketmail. com <crc@substanssi. net>
Subject: [korg_mono-poly] Re: Oscillators 2 and 4 will not stay in tune!
To: korg_mono-poly@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 17 February, 2009, 8:55 AM

hey j.g.!

make sure you have the detune knob turned down to zero, since it
detunes osc's 2 and 4. i tend to forget it from time to time.

it is normal that when the effects are on' that it is in tune, since
it syncs osc's 2,3 and 4 to osc 1 (single mode) or osc 2 to 1 and osc
4 to 3 (double mode) and therefor it's only osc 1 or osc 1 and 3 that
matter.

cheers!

.michael

--- In korg_mono-poly@ yahoogroups. com, "namdoogpdx" <namdoogpdx@ ...>
wrote:
>
> Hey Y'all,
> All of a sudden OSC 2 and OSC 4 won't stay in tune. On certain
> octaves one or the other will stay in tune but if you go up or down
> they gradually begin to drift. For some reason, keeping the effects on
> seems to help a bit but I don't want to use X or Frequency mod 100% of
> the time...totally sucks.
> I always let my Mono/Poly warm up for 20 minutes at least before
> I even touch it, and after that OSC 1 and 3 stay perfectly in tune.
> This is really frustrating, since I've only had this synth for 6
> months and it worked fine up until just recently. I'm very gentle with
> my keyboards and don't have problems with any of my other synths. Has
> anybody out there had this same problem? I know nothing about
> synthesizer repair so I also need to ask if this is repairable or if I
> am screwed. Any and all help or advice would be greatly appreciated!
>
> Thanks, everyone!
>
> -J.G.
>



Re: Oscillators 2 and 4 will not stay in tune!

2009-02-17 by joe-joe

ok is the tuning actually drifting. different everytime. or is the
scale off? say middle c is always tuned and the lower c out of tune.

read this

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/korg_mono-poly/message/5


--- In korg_mono-poly@yahoogroups.com, Joel Goodman <namdoogpdx@...>
wrote:
>
> OSCs 2 and 4 keytrack differently than 1 and 3. 1 and 3 keep in tune
perfectly the way a keyboard should, but 2 and 4 only do so on one
higher octave, and drift more drasticly the further up or down you
go...And yes, the detune knob is all the way down!
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Alan Dicker <alanmdicker@...>
> To: korg_mono-poly@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:30:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [korg_mono-poly] Re: Oscillators 2 and 4 will not stay
in tune!
>
>
> Sorry I just want to clafify your problem. is it that OSC 3 and 4
are consitantley out of tune with the other synths as in allways out
by the same amount or do they not keytrack the keyboard in the same
way as OSC 1 and 2?
>
> --- On Tue, 17/2/09, crc1@rocketmail. com <crc@substanssi. net> wrote:
>
> From: crc1@rocketmail. com <crc@substanssi. net>
> Subject: [korg_mono-poly] Re: Oscillators 2 and 4 will not stay in tune!
> To: korg_mono-poly@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, 17 February, 2009, 8:55 AM
>
>
> hey j.g.!
>
> make sure you have the detune knob turned down to zero, since it
> detunes osc's 2 and 4. i tend to forget it from time to time.
>
> it is normal that when the effects are on' that it is in tune, since
> it syncs osc's 2,3 and 4 to osc 1 (single mode) or osc 2 to 1 and osc
> 4 to 3 (double mode) and therefor it's only osc 1 or osc 1 and 3 that
> matter.
>
> cheers!
>
> ..michael
>
> --- In korg_mono-poly@ yahoogroups. com, "namdoogpdx" <namdoogpdx@ ...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Y'all,
> > All of a sudden OSC 2 and OSC 4 won't stay in tune. On certain
> > octaves one or the other will stay in tune but if you go up or down
> > they gradually begin to drift. For some reason, keeping the effects on
> > seems to help a bit but I don't want to use X or Frequency mod 100% of
> > the time...totally sucks.
> > I always let my Mono/Poly warm up for 20 minutes at least before
> > I even touch it, and after that OSC 1 and 3 stay perfectly in tune.
> > This is really frustrating, since I've only had this synth for 6
> > months and it worked fine up until just recently. I'm very gentle with
> > my keyboards and don't have problems with any of my other synths. Has
> > anybody out there had this same problem? I know nothing about
> > synthesizer repair so I also need to ask if this is repairable or if I
> > am screwed. Any and all help or advice would be greatly appreciated!
> >
> > Thanks, everyone!
> >
> > -J.G.
> >
>

Re: [korg_mono-poly] Re: Oscillators 2 and 4 will not stay in tune!

2009-02-18 by Florian Anwander

Hello

joe-joe schrieb:
> ok is the tuning actually drifting. different everytime. or is the
> scale off? say middle c is always tuned and the lower c out of tune.
>
> read this
>
> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/korg_mono-poly/message/5

This description is very imprecise. I don't want to boast, but I really
recommend the detailed description I wrote recently over this old thread:
http://fa.utfs.org/diy/korg_monopoly/vco_adjustment.html
Location of the trimmers is described detailed in this file:
http://fa.utfs.org/diy/korg_monopoly/mp_16_klm_354_layout_TRIMMERS.jpg

Florian

Re: Oscillators 2 and 4 will not stay in tune!

2009-02-19 by joe-joe

wow Florian im impressed! show off ;) seriously that picture is all he
needs. if im not mistaken it looks like he should mess with the scale
for the oscilators that are out tune?

--- In korg_mono-poly@yahoogroups.com, Florian Anwander
<fanwander@...> wrote:
>
> Hello
>
> joe-joe schrieb:
> > ok is the tuning actually drifting. different everytime. or is the
> > scale off? say middle c is always tuned and the lower c out of tune.
> >
> > read this
> >
> > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/korg_mono-poly/message/5
>
> This description is very imprecise. I don't want to boast, but I really
> recommend the detailed description I wrote recently over this old
thread:
> http://fa.utfs.org/diy/korg_monopoly/vco_adjustment.html
> Location of the trimmers is described detailed in this file:
> http://fa.utfs.org/diy/korg_monopoly/mp_16_klm_354_layout_TRIMMERS.jpg
>
> Florian
>

Re: [korg_mono-poly] Re: Oscillators 2 and 4 will not stay in tune!

2009-02-19 by Florian Anwander

Hi joe-joe

> needs. if im not mistaken it looks like he should mess with the scale
> for the oscilators that are out tune?
As far as I understood him right, the problems are only the octave switches.

He should do the following:
* Set all four octave switches to 8'
* Switch to unisono mode
* Play the lowest F
* Tune all VCOs with the knobs on the frontpanel to the lowest possible
beating.
* Then play the highest F

If now the beating gets much worse at the highest F, then it is time for
the full tuning procedure.

If the beating does not change very much, then
* playe again the lowest F
* now switch all four octave switches to 2'
Again check the beating. If it now got much worse then adjuct VR201 and
VR401.



If the full procedure is required, he should think whether he is able to
do it. We have a german byword "you can get in devils kitchen" if you
start doing this. Setting the octave scaling of a VCO can be very
confusing. It affects all the absolute tuning and it is really necessary
that you care a shit for the absolute tuning until the last step of the
procedure.

Florian



>
> --- In korg_mono-poly@yahoogroups.com, Florian Anwander
> <fanwander@...> wrote:
>> Hello
>>
>> joe-joe schrieb:
>>> ok is the tuning actually drifting. different everytime. or is the
>>> scale off? say middle c is always tuned and the lower c out of tune.
>>>
>>> read this
>>>
>>> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/korg_mono-poly/message/5
>> This description is very imprecise. I don't want to boast, but I really
>> recommend the detailed description I wrote recently over this old
> thread:
>> http://fa.utfs.org/diy/korg_monopoly/vco_adjustment.html
>> Location of the trimmers is described detailed in this file:
>> http://fa.utfs.org/diy/korg_monopoly/mp_16_klm_354_layout_TRIMMERS.jpg
>>
>> Florian
>>
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