Korg Mono/Poly group photo

Yahoo Groups archive

Korg Mono/Poly

Archive for korg_mono-poly.

Index last updated: 2026-03-30 01:09 UTC

Thread

Keyboard Tunning Problem

Keyboard Tunning Problem

2019-05-15 by vcfool@gmail.com

Hi everyone,


I just noticed a problem on my Mono/Poly keyboard:

When I have the Transpose switch on the Up position the upper keys sound flat. Every note is fine until the higher E which goes flat by 20-30 cents. Eb sounds good, but from highest E to the highest C everything is flat.

The problem is only there when Transpose is in the Up position, it works fine when in Normal or Down.


Checked the PSU voltages and the Key Assigner Voltages shorting the Tune Point, and they all seem fine. As the synth was opened I calibrated the VCOs because they were a little out of tune when set to 2'. All good now.


Any thoughts will be much appreciated.

Thanks.

Re: [korg_mono-poly] Keyboard Tunning Problem

2019-05-15 by Florian Anwander

Hi

Am 15.05.2019 um 13:55 schrieb vcfool@gmail.com [korg_mono-poly]:
> Checked the PSU voltages and the Key Assigner Voltages shorting the
> Tune Point, and they all seem fine.
This means, you read the right voltages at the testpoint R8 when
Transpose is UP and the TUNE_POINT is open
as in the second table of the adjustment procedur (chapter 8. topic 2.)?

See:
http://www.florian-anwander.de/korg_monopoly/mp_20_adjustment_1.gif
table at the bottom left

Florian

Re: [korg_mono-poly] Keyboard Tunning Problem

2019-05-15 by vcfool

Hi,

Yes, thanks for the answer. Already checked all the tuning procedure.That is exactly the problem. Up to 5V all is good, but I can't get up to 6V. Highest C is 5,97V.

I just noticed that the arpeggiator set to Full also shows the problem on the highest octave.

Thanks.

Re: [korg_mono-poly] Keyboard Tunning Problem

2019-05-15 by Florian Anwander

Am 15.05.2019 um 14:19 schrieb vcfool vcfool@gmail.com [korg_mono-poly]:
> Up to 5V all is good, but I can't get up to 6V. Highest C is 5,97V.
>
> I just noticed that the arpeggiator set to Full also shows the problem
> on the highest octave.
>

As first step I would check the resistors R21 and R19 on the CPU-Board.
You can see in the schematic of the board
(http://www.florian-anwander.de/korg_monopoly/mp_09_klm-356_uP_ArpIn_schemo.gif)
that Korg changed the values of those two resistors.

R21: from 221Ohm to 196Ohm (1%)
R19: from 289kOhm to 143kOHm (1%)

Maybe your Monopoly has the old values.




Another approach might be to try the adjustment procedure somehow
"reverted":

have the "tune point" open
1. adjust VR1 so that you read 6.000V when playing a C5 in UP transposition
2. check for 3.000V in MID position and C3, if not ok, adjust VR-3
3. check for 1.000V in DOWN position and C2, of not ok, adjust VR-2
Repeat the steps 1 to 3 until the high notes are ok.

No warranty, that it works from my side, but it might be worth the try.



Florian


--
http://www.florian-anwander.de

Re: [korg_mono-poly] Keyboard Tunning Problem

2019-05-15 by vcfool@gmail.com

Thanks again Florian,

I'l check on everything you say and report back. But I think I already tried to get 6V by the reverse procedure and I couldn't get the other lower scales right. I'll check again as soon as I can.

Best regards.

Re: Keyboard Tunning Problem

2019-05-15 by vcfool@gmail.com

Ok, done the testing.

Not a chance to fix it doing it the reversed way. Even when I get 6V at the top, there's the same voltage jump past the highest E, and then all the other lowest scales got flat. Maybe I should have explained it better on the first message, but there is a drastic sudden voltage drop when passing from the Eb to the E. Not something linear happening as you go up the keyboard. Only on the highest notes (E to C) there. And they are quite in tune with each other, just about 30 cents flat. If I am making myself clear... if not, I'll try to make an audio recording or a video.

About those resistors you mention, as far as I see:
R19 is 14.3K. Are you sure the values written there in the schematics are not 28.9K and 14.3K? 
R21 is 14K. I think you misread 196 on what is actually 1% and the new value is written below, hardly legible, but it could be 14.0K.


I don't think that there's a calibration problem. I'm thinking there may be some faulty component. Maybe I'll try replacing IC10-11/4069 or IC8/TL072. What do you think?

Thank you very much again. Your help is really appreciated.

Re: [korg_mono-poly] Re: Keyboard Tunning Problem

2019-05-15 by Florian Anwander

Am 15.05.19 um 22:48 schrieb vcfool@gmail.com [korg_mono-poly]:
About those resistors you mention, as far as I see:
R19 is 14.3K. Are you sure the values written there in the schematics are not 28.9K and 14.3K? 
R21 is 14K. I think you misread 196 on what is actually 1% and the new value is written below, hardly legible, but it could be 14.0K.

You are right, the 196 is in fact 1%

Lets think about the complete circuit and the effect of the trimmers:
We have the 7Bit D/A around the 4096 with the resistor cascade. VR3 determines the impact of the most significant bit.
After IC8 we should be able to read the outcome of this D/A.
VR2 determines the current, which runs from the D/A to IC7.
VR1 determines an offset current, which runs also into IC7.

If everything is linear below the E then mostly the MSB line (which includes VR3) becomes suspicious. Why? From F (with transpose set to "down") to E (with transpose set to "up") there are 60 steps. We know from Tubbutec, that the firmware of the keyboard scanner is based on the Polysix (whose keyboard starts at C). From C to E we have 64 steps => the first 6Bits determine the notes between C and Eb. When the most significant bit (whichs output is controlled by VR3) goes high, then E and up are given.

So to me it looks like simply the description the first table in the adjustment instructions is wrong: VR3 is responsible for the high tuning. VR2 is for the V/Oct setting of the D/A and VR1 is for the offset (total tune).

In consequence I suggest to adjust the D/A measuring all voltages at the CV-Out socket like that:
1. set tune point to closed
2. set transpose to normal
3. adjust 1.000V per octave using VR2 while playing octaves jumps from lowest F to highest F. Do not obey the absolute voltage; only check, whether jumping one octave makes a voltage change of exactly 1.000V
4. when this is done, play always the highest E and toggle the transpose switch between normal and up; adjust VR3, that his octave jump reflects a change of 1.000V relatively (again: do not care for the absolute value)
5. when this is done, open "tune point", and then adjust VR1 to read straight 1.000V/ 2.000V/... at the C's,

If the adjustment of VR3 fails, then it might be necessary to decrease R52 to 1k.


What do you think about it?

Florian

Re: [korg_mono-poly] Re: Keyboard Tunning Problem

2019-05-16 by vcfool@gmail.com

Well, another test done.

First, thanks again for your explanation, but I must say that my electronics knowledge is so limited. So, although I've read the message several times, I do not fully understand how a D/A works. But I think I got the basics.

I made the test with the Tune Point opened. If closed, the voltages of the keyboard do not show on the CV Out. But anyway, no matter what I do with the key assigner tuning VRs, there is always the same voltage drop when I reach the highest E.

Then I removed the board and replaced R52 with 1K. Making the VR adjustment turned out to be more difficult. Seems that each trimpot affected more to the others, but that may be my perception. Anyway the voltage drop actually increased. I can tune all the octaves the same as before, but when I reach the highest E, now it comes as Eb +28cents, 5.27V. Highest C is 5.94V. Maybe I should increase it's value instead?

If that fails...

I just have one spare 4069 here at home. Which IC do you think I have better chances replacing? IC11 or IC10? I could remove another one, just for test purposes, from somewhere on my DIY modular, say for example on the WASP VCF clone.

Thanks.

Re: [korg_mono-poly] Re: Keyboard Tunning Problem

2019-05-16 by vcfool@gmail.com

Went ahead and increased R52 to 3.92K. Pretty much the same. Highest E, now comes as Eb +37cents, 5.29V. Highest C is 5.96V.
Then 10K, Highest E, comes as E +34cents, 5.36V. Highest C is 6.03V.
Then installed a 10K trimpot and seems it is fixed now! I can get the keyboard to tune correctly! I'm not sure if I should remove it, mesure it and replace it with a resistor of the same value. It is working now, so why bother?

I'll keep testing, watching the tuning and report back if any more problems arise.

Thank you very much, Florian!

Re: [korg_mono-poly] Re: Keyboard Tunning Problem

2019-05-16 by Florian Anwander

Hi

Congratulations for fixing it.

Am 16.05.2019 um 13:53 schrieb vcfool@gmail.com [korg_mono-poly]:
> I'm not sure if I should remove it, mesure it and replace it with a
> resistor of the same value. It is working now, so why bother?
If you switch off the synth, then you can measure the resitance value of
the trimmer without removing it. It would be really intersting.

Florian

--
http://www.florian-anwander.de

Re: Keyboard Tunning Problem

2019-05-17 by vcfool@gmail.com

I measured the trimpot and it is set at around 2.18K. I just noticed that the original R52 that I removed was indeed 10K 5%. Odd. I really don't understand what was happening when I replaced it with 1K, 3.92K and another 10K (!). But after 3 days trying to fix it, now that it is working correctly, I think I'll stop messing with it and actually spend some time playing it!

Best regards.

Re: [korg_mono-poly] Re: Keyboard Tunning Problem

2019-05-17 by Florian Anwander

Hi

thanks for the final report!

Florian

Am 17.05.2019 um 12:26 schrieb vcfool@gmail.com [korg_mono-poly]:
>
>
> I measured the trimpot and it is set at around 2.18K. I just noticed
> that the original R52 that I removed was indeed 10K 5%. Odd. I really
> don't understand what was happening when I replaced it with 1K, 3.92K
> and another 10K (!). But after 3 days trying to fix it, now that it is
> working correctly, I think I'll stop messing with it and actually
> spend some time playing it!
>
> Best regards.
>
>
>


--
http://www.florian-anwander.de