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LED Backlight

2012-11-22 by Mark

I noticed in another thread someone mentioned LED backlighting was available.

What is the source/company please?

I have both a K5 and K5m.. both with the output mod... i'm considering selling the K5m.. let me see but if anyone is interested let me know.

Re: [k5synth] LED Backlight

2012-11-22 by Bruce Manning

Mark,
I am interested. You can contact me directly. Thanks.

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On Nov 22, 2012, at 7:59 AM, "Mark" <misterhemi@...> wrote:

> I noticed in another thread someone mentioned LED backlighting was available.
> 
> What is the source/company please?
> 
> I have both a K5 and K5m.. both with the output mod... i'm considering selling the K5m.. let me see but if anyone is interested let me know.
> 
>

Re: LED Backlight

2012-11-24 by maggooster@gmail.com

I'm interested in the LED back light option as well. Is it, possibly, just a matter of hooking up bright LEDs and placing them around the display?

Using duct tape, of course, to hold them in place ;)

Sent from my iPod

Re: [k5synth] Re: LED Backlight

2012-11-24 by Antoine Deschênes

My guess is it's either an LED backlight foil to replace the current EL one with the inverter, or it's a whole new LCD display.
I'm under the impression that this display might fit as a replacement :
But haven't looked more into it. It's using an LED backlight and has the same physical dimensions if I remember correctly as I looked into it years ago, but it doesn';t mean the controllers are compatible.


-- Antoine Deschênes
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2012/11/24 <maggooster@...>
I'm interested in the LED back light option as well. Is it, possibly, just a matter of hooking up bright LEDs and placing them around the display?

Using duct tape, of course, to hold them in place ;)

Sent from my iPod

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Re: [k5synth] Re: LED Backlight

2012-11-24 by Antoine Deschênes

Ok, so after looking at the K5 service manual, the LCD we have in the K5 should be a Toshiba TLC-711A-E0.

A little reading online seems to tell that the TLX-711A-E0 LCD module is an identical replacement and we have the datasheet here :

Which shows that the new panel from Futurlec would be a suitable replacement with LED backlight. Of course, the voltages aren't the same. The original EL backlight works at 130V 1kHz while the LED is working at 4.1V.

Most of the time, the inverter in the K5 dies before the EL backlight, due to cold solder joints in the epoxy-filled inverter (good luck trying to fix it).
But even if you spend around 20$ + shipping for a new inverter, the EL foil will often be very close to it's end of life, so you'll spend another 30$ +shipping to fix this.

As Mo just said, if you email backlightsonline.com, they'll have a replacement backlight foil for you. (Altough I don't know if it's LED or EL based.)

Now, the only two known inverters that are within specs for a new backlight are the NDL-205 and NDL-206 from JKL Components. The 205 is a little low on output voltage (90V) so it probably won't come out as bright as it should be. The 206 is a more suitable replacement (120V output), but seems to be a custom order everywhere I looked.

The LCD module at Futurlec sounds promising to me as LEDs have a much longer lifespan compared to EL backlights, and we could just replace the inverter by one or two resistors to get the 4.1V required. There is a blue on black version available as well if some would prefer

However, I haven't tried this particular LED-backlit LCD, but generally speaking, a fresh EL backlight provides a very uniform and bright display, while LEDs make bright spots all around the display. Another thing you'd lose is the good 'ol K5 whine coming from the inverter.

I'll probably give the LED display a try eventually and tell you if it's a viable option.

Cheers,
Antoine


-- Antoine Deschênes


2012/11/24 Mo Morgan <lightsforsynths@...>

www.backlightsonline.com these are replacement backlights. They replace the original backlight panel behind the lcd


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From: Antoine Deschênes <antdes45@...>;
To: <k5synth@yahoogroups.com>;
Subject: Re: [k5synth] Re: LED Backlight
Sent: Sat, Nov 24, 2012 5:38:53 PM

My guess is it's either an LED backlight foil to replace the current EL one with the inverter, or it's a whole new LCD display.

I'm under the impression that this display might fit as a replacement :
But haven't looked more into it. It's using an LED backlight and has the same physical dimensions if I remember correctly as I looked into it years ago, but it doesn't mean the controllers are compatible.


-- Antoine Deschênes


2012/11/24 <maggooster@gmail.com>
I'm interested in the LED back light option as well. Is it, possibly, just a matter of hooking up bright LEDs and placing them around the display?

Using duct tape, of course, to hold them in place ;)

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Re: [k5synth] Re: LED Backlight

2012-11-24 by jammie

no
its a proper led backlight 5005 lcd replacement module
same chipset
you have to remove the efoil invertor add a current limiting resistor from the 5v source of the efoil invertor to the + voltage of the efoil connector on the psu board
then you can use the original cables that the efoil used on the old display
you have to desolder these from the old display and fit them to the a k connection on the new display
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Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 5:27 PM
Subject: [k5synth] Re: LED Backlight

I'm interested in the LED back light option as well. Is it, possibly, just a matter of hooking up bright LEDs and placing them around the display?

Using duct tape, of course, to hold them in place ;)

Sent from my iPod

Re: [k5synth] Re: LED Backlight

2012-11-24 by Antoine Deschênes

Such as eBay no. 190756697843 ?

Sounds like googling for Yamaha SY77 display upgrade gives a lot of
good options.

I've seen many cheaper LCD options compared to the Optrex DMF5005 or
Futurlec, but they all use other controllers and a slightly different
pinout as well.
So far the DMF5005 and Futurlec(unknown model) displays use the same
pinout as the original module.

The replacement LCD modules might need replacement contrast resistors
as I can see, and the LED-backlit LCDs are thicker than the original
unit it would seem. That isn't a problem for the K5, but what about
the K5m?

One other problem for some might be the 20-pin ribbon cable. The
original connector is crimped to the cable and soldered on the module,
so it's going to be a pain to remove if all you have is a soldering
iron + desoldering pump. A 20-pin ribbon cable + a cheap 20-pin male
header are quite easy to find online though.


-- Antoine Deschênes


2012/11/24 jammie <jammie.emma@blueyonder.co.uk>
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>
>
>
> no
>
> its a proper led backlight 5005 lcd replacement module
>
> same chipset
>
> you have to remove the efoil invertor add a current limiting resistor from the 5v source of the efoil invertor to the + voltage of the efoil connector on the psu board
>
> then you can use the original cables that the efoil used on the old display
>
> you have to desolder these from the old display and fit them to the a k connection on the new display
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: maggooster@...
> To: k5synth@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 5:27 PM
> Subject: [k5synth] Re: LED Backlight
>
>
>
> I'm interested in the LED back light option as well. Is it, possibly, just a matter of hooking up bright LEDs and placing them around the display?
>
> Using duct tape, of course, to hold them in place ;)
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
>
>
>

Re: [k5synth] Re: LED Backlight

2012-11-24 by jammie

i fitted one in my k5m and theres loads of room you have to add washers
the one from rs also fits the 01w t1/2/3/ex and the wavestation sy99 and the k2000
and it uses the same chip set as the 5005 display
you only need to do the contrast mod on the yamahas
never had to do it on the k5m or the sy99
they are on back order for the blue they only have black on white
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [k5synth] Re: LED Backlight

Such as eBay no. 190756697843 ?

Sounds like googling for Yamaha SY77 display upgrade gives a lot of
good options.

I've seen many cheaper LCD options compared to the Optrex DMF5005 or
Futurlec, but they all use other controllers and a slightly different
pinout as well.
So far the DMF5005 and Futurlec(unknown model) displays use the same
pinout as the original module.

The replacement LCD modules might need replacement contrast resistors
as I can see, and the LED-backlit LCDs are thicker than the original
unit it would seem. That isn't a problem for the K5, but what about
the K5m?

One other problem for some might be the 20-pin ribbon cable. The
original connector is crimped to the cable and soldered on the module,
so it's going to be a pain to remove if all you have is a soldering
iron + desoldering pump. A 20-pin ribbon cable + a cheap 20-pin male
header are quite easy to find online though.

-- Antoine Deschênes

2012/11/24 jammie <jammie.emma@blueyonder.co.uk>
>
>
>
> no
>
> its a proper led backlight 5005 lcd replacement module
>
> same chipset
>
> you have to remove the efoil invertor add a current limiting resistor from the 5v source of the efoil invertor to the + voltage of the efoil connector on the psu board
>
> then you can use the original cables that the efoil used on the old display
>
> you have to desolder these from the old display and fit them to the a k connection on the new display
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: maggooster@...
> To: k5synth@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 5:27 PM
> Subject: [k5synth] Re: LED Backlight
>
>
>
> I'm interested in the LED back light option as well. Is it, possibly, just a matter of hooking up bright LEDs and placing them around the display?
>
> Using duct tape, of course, to hold them in place ;)
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
>
>
>

Re: [k5synth] Re: LED Backlight

2013-04-04 by Antoine Deschênes

Oops, looks like this message has been in my drafts for months..

OK, and apparently there are some Newhaven LCDs that work on the Wavestation and should work just as well on the K5 :

Same pinout, and uses the "RA6963" controller, equivalent to the T6963 used on the K5's Toshiba LCD.

There is Blue/White, Green/Black or White/Black available. The White/Black uses a "better" LCD type, which gets you better viewing angles.


-- Antoine Deschênes
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2012/11/24 jammie <jammie.emma@...>


i fitted one in my k5m and theres loads of room you have to add washers
the one from rs also fits the 01w t1/2/3/ex and the wavestation sy99 and the k2000
and it uses the same chip set as the 5005 display
you only need to do the contrast mod on the yamahas
never had to do it on the k5m or the sy99
they are on back order for the blue they only have black on white
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [k5synth] Re: LED Backlight

Such as eBay no. 190756697843 ?

Sounds like googling for Yamaha SY77 display upgrade gives a lot of
good options.

I've seen many cheaper LCD options compared to the Optrex DMF5005 or
Futurlec, but they all use other controllers and a slightly different
pinout as well.
So far the DMF5005 and Futurlec(unknown model) displays use the same
pinout as the original module.

The replacement LCD modules might need replacement contrast resistors
as I can see, and the LED-backlit LCDs are thicker than the original
unit it would seem. That isn't a problem for the K5, but what about
the K5m?

One other problem for some might be the 20-pin ribbon cable. The
original connector is crimped to the cable and soldered on the module,
so it's going to be a pain to remove if all you have is a soldering
iron + desoldering pump. A 20-pin ribbon cable + a cheap 20-pin male
header are quite easy to find online though.

-- Antoine Deschênes

2012/11/24 jammie <jammie.emma@...>
>
>
>
> no
>
> its a proper led backlight 5005 lcd replacement module
>
> same chipset
>
> you have to remove the efoil invertor add a current limiting resistor from the 5v source of the efoil invertor to the + voltage of the efoil connector on the psu board
>
> then you can use the original cables that the efoil used on the old display
>
> you have to desolder these from the old display and fit them to the a k connection on the new display
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: maggooster@...
> To: k5synth@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 5:27 PM
> Subject: [k5synth] Re: LED Backlight
>
>
>
> I'm interested in the LED back light option as well. Is it, possibly, just a matter of hooking up bright LEDs and placing them around the display?
>
> Using duct tape, of course, to hold them in place ;)
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
>
>
>




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