EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Nick Batzdorf <recording@e...> wrote:
> From: "steinway03" <dr_l_music@r...>
> 
> >If I understand correctly, at least for Old Lady, real time pedaling 
> >is not supported in EXS.
> >Does this mean that if you load an EXS instance, you can't play 
> >normally through a
> >controller using the pedal?  If so, sounds like a serious 
> >limitation.  Or maybe I'm not
> >understanding correctly.
> 
> The sustain pedal?! Sure it works. Or do you mean re-pedalling, i.e. 
> the sound continues if you release and quickly re-press the sustain 
> pedal.
> 
> >Has anyone on this list used Ivory?  I'm not sure if it's available 
> >as EXS, but if not, I'm not
> >sure how you'd use it in Logic.
> 
> It's a stand-alone plug-in, and it works fine in Logic. And it does 
> have re-pedalling.

My understanding from discusssions so far, A sustain pedal on a
sampled piano can have more than one function:

A) It sustains the notes that have been triggered prior to the pedal
on as you would expect of any MIDI keyboard controller. This works
just fine.

B) The pedal up and down can also trigger the sampled sound of pedal
noise.

C) The Old lady and Emperor have been sampled with pedal up and pedal
down on each note and velocity layer, because the sound of hitting a
single note on the piano with the pedal up is not the same as it is
with the pedal down, as all the open strings vibrate in symapathy to a
different degree when the pedal is up. Although it is actually a bit
more complex as the sound of each down pedal sample would be different
depending on chord being played.

In the case of the Old lady and Emperor, the pedal down are the
samples that play when you hit the keys with the pedal down.

Ideally you would be able to play a chord with the pedal up, and while
holding the chord press the pedal down and trigger a crossfade into
the pedal down samples without having to hit the keys again, which
would emulate as far as possible what happens on a real piano.


I heve experimeted with EXS24 to do something similar with woodwind so
that the modwheel crossfades a note with no vibrato into a note with
real sampled vibrato (not LFO mod). This is posssible, however once
you have multilayered velocities it becomes extremely complex in EXS24
as Michiel has pointed out.

Pete Thomas
www.petethomas.co.uk
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