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IDE to SCSI to CF card adapter setup?

2013-11-05 by windrumscoggin@...

I know that Ted will complain that this has been asked a dozen times before and should be put into the FAQ section of our user group so I will add the disclaimer that for some reason, the search feature of our group does not give me any feedback on this topic.

Disclaimer aside and perhaps ( for the umpteenth time), I will ask again- to great annoyance to many of you that have already posed this question, BUT

Has anyone matched this

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Addonics-ADIDECFB-DigiDrive-Internal-IDE-CompactFlash-Card-Reader-Writer-3.5-Black/13075170

with anyone of these (which one would work, I have NO idea)

http://www.acard.com/english/fb0101.jsp?ino=43

to create a CF card reader system that our EMU's with SCSI can use?

PCD's are rather scarce now, so it'd be nice to know that if needed, an alternative can be assembled for those in need of a card readers system for their SCSI equipped samplers.

Cheers

Greg

Re: [emax] IDE to SCSI to CF card adapter setup?

2013-11-06 by Ted Summers

Perfectly logical question actually.

Yes, it's been addressed and the detail is in the "Database" section of the group, parts that have been tested with Emax.

Specifically the ACARD should be in the database details, if I recall.

Acard 7720U and 7720UW I have tried with an IDE to PC Card drive (generic- no model #) and it worked.
In fact, that is what I have in my Emax 2 presently.
and also 7722Q (with an ATAPI Zip Drive) - it only works with true ATAPI devices - CDROM drive did not work in emax with this though- in case you were thinking it, although it worked in my PC with CDROM.....

The only problem is these are $$$$$ - for awhile you could find them for $40-$60. But then they dried up- especially when people found out you could use them for this purpose it's like all the prices got jacked up...ebay looks lik $100, then you have to buy a drive.

Additionally- you have to check the firmware on them. They don't work unless you have the latest firmware and you have to update them in a PC...

WIth that said- I haven't tried that particular drive you link to, so I can't guarantee it works.
Some of these CF adapters work and some don't.

-Ted

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On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 3:40 PM, <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:

I know that Ted will complain that this has been asked a dozen times before and should be put into the FAQ section of our user group so I will add the disclaimer that for some reason, the search feature of our group does not give me any feedback on this topic.

Disclaimer aside and perhaps ( for the umpteenth time), I will ask again- to great annoyance to many of you that have already posed this question, BUT

Has anyone matched this

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Addonics-ADIDECFB-DigiDrive-Internal-IDE-CompactFlash-Card-Reader-Writer-3.5-Black/13075170

with anyone of these (which one would work, I have NO idea)

http://www.acard.com/english/fb0101.jsp?ino=43

to create a CF card reader system that our EMU's with SCSI can use?

PCD's are rather scarce now, so it'd be nice to know that if needed, an alternative can be assembled for those in need of a card readers system for their SCSI equipped samplers.

Cheers

Greg

Re: [emax] IDE to SCSI to CF card adapter setup?

2013-11-06 by Windrum Scoggin

Excellent Ted!

So in fact then in order

To get a 'system'

That works

What do we buy?

Do you sell 'kits?

If not

What specific items worked for you

That we should buy?

As far as the firmware-

How do we update the

Firmware on the IDE/SCSI controller card ?

How is that done?

Do we hook the card up

Via an Adaptac SCSI card

Mounted in a PCI slot on the PC

And cable it up to the IDE-SCSI adapter card

In order to update the firmware?

I have an Emax I rack

That I'd like to try this out with

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On Tuesday, November 5, 2013, Ted Summers wrote:

Perfectly logical question actually.
Yes, it's been addressed and the detail is in the "Database" section of the group, parts that have been tested with Emax.

Specifically the ACARD should be in the database details, if I recall.

Acard 7720U and 7720UW I have tried with an IDE to PC Card drive (generic- no model #) and it worked.
In fact, that is what I have in my Emax 2 presently.
and also 7722Q (with an ATAPI Zip Drive) - it only works with true ATAPI devices - CDROM drive did not work in emax with this though- in case you were thinking it, although it worked in my PC with CDROM.....

The only problem is these are $$$$$ - for awhile you could find them for $40-$60. But then they dried up- especially when people found out you could use them for this purpose it's like all the prices got jacked up...ebay looks lik $100, then you have to buy a drive.

Additionally- you have to check the firmware on them. They don't work unless you have the latest firmware and you have to update them in a PC...

WIth that said- I haven't tried that particular drive you link to, so I can't guarantee it works.
Some of these CF adapters work and some don't.

-Ted

On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 3:40 PM, <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:

I know that Ted will complain that this has been asked a dozen times before and should be put into the FAQ section of our user group so I will add the disclaimer that for some reason, the search feature of our group does not give me any feedback on this topic.

Disclaimer aside and perhaps ( for the umpteenth time), I will ask again- to great annoyance to many of you that have already posed this question, BUT

Has anyone matched this

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Addonics-ADIDECFB-DigiDrive-Internal-IDE-CompactFlash-Card-Reader-Writer-3.5-Black/13075170

with anyone of these (which one would work, I have NO idea)

http://www.acard.com/english/fb0101.jsp?ino=43

to create a CF card reader system that our EMU's with SCSI can use?

PCD's are rather scarce now, so it'd be nice to know that if needed, an alternative can be assembled for those in need of a card readers system for their SCSI equipped samplers.

Cheers

Greg

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Le Sociere Des Oscillateurs Mystere

Re: [emax] IDE to SCSI to CF card adapter setup?

2013-11-06 by Ted Summers

In response:

>>To get a 'system' that works, what do we buy?

An suitable ACARD bridge (7720U is the best option as the others need adapters as they are 68 pin where Emax connection is 50pin IDC).

A suitable IDE to CF drive (there isn't a lot of detailed info on what works or doesn't).

You may just have to buy and try drives / adapters- fortunately these drives aren't too expensive- it's the ACARD that is the spendy part…

>> Do you sell 'kits?

No- I just happened to find a couple of ACARD for cheap at a re-use place….got lucky, really.

>> If not, what specific items worked for you that we should buy?

The only known working bridge adapter is the ACARD.

There is an Yamaha bridge out there- someone tested and it didn't work.

There is also some IDE-RSC board or something like that- it doesn't work either.

I can't speak to any other specific parts, as again- my drive has no make / model on it, it's just generic.

>> As far as the firmware- How do we update the Firmware on the IDE/SCSI controller card ?

>> How is that done? Do we hook the card up Via an Adaptac SCSI card Mounted in a PCI slot on the PC

>> And cable it up to the IDE-SCSI adapter card In order to update the firmware?

Yes- you take the bridge and put it on say a IDE CDROM or Hard disk.

Then connected just as you have described.

You download the firmware flasher program from the ACARD website.

You flash it from in windows.

That's it….

-T

Re: [emax] IDE to SCSI to CF card adapter setup?

2013-11-06 by jammie

the emax is very picky with hot swap drives

with the acard 7720u or uw these will work but the only hotswap cf card drives i managed to get to work were the mcd drives and they are even harder to get than the pcd drives

and were £70

now the delocks that work with everything else come up as disk error on the emaxes

that addonics drive the atapi version does not work but the standard versions that are bootable but not hot swap do but if you want to change a cf card you have to switch of the emax

i also had teds last 7722 i did lots of tests with them and they would not work with the hotswap atapi drives i flashed them in windows and it would find the drives but once i rebooted the pc the atapi drive would come up as null disk and then the pc would not see them but they work great with zip drives which are atapi

it just goes to show that different manufacturers dont all follow the same atapi standards even though its a protocol its left to the manufacturers hpow to implement it

which is where the problems are as there is no standard that they should all follow its the same for the scsi and why one type works and 1 type does not

the 7720u does not work on ensoniqs but does on emaxes and akai mpc60/3000

now the iodata idsc1/2-e cards work with ensoniqs but not the emaxes nor the mpc60/3000 but the iodata isc e/r do work with mpc60/3000 dont work with ensoniqs nor emaxes so its how the manufacturer implements scsi and why its a such a head ache sorting out what does work and what does not

like i said the delock atapi hotswap cf drives they work with the akai ensoniqs kurzweils but dont work with the emax 1

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From: Ted Summers

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Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 5:24 AM

Subject: Re: [emax] IDE to SCSI to CF card adapter setup?

In response:

>>To get a 'system' that works, what do we buy?

An suitable ACARD bridge (7720U is the best option as the others need adapters as they are 68 pin where Emax connection is 50pin IDC).

A suitable IDE to CF drive (there isn't a lot of detailed info on what works or doesn't).

You may just have to buy and try drives / adapters- fortunately these drives aren't too expensive- it's the ACARD that is the spendy part…

>> Do you sell 'kits?

No- I just happened to find a couple of ACARD for cheap at a re-use place….got lucky, really.

>> If not, what specific items worked for you that we should buy?

The only known working bridge adapter is the ACARD.

There is an Yamaha bridge out there- someone tested and it didn't work.

There is also some IDE-RSC board or something like that- it doesn't work either.

I can't speak to any other specific parts, as again- my drive has no make / model on it, it's just generic.

>> As far as the firmware- How do we update the Firmware on the IDE/SCSI controller card ?

>> How is that done? Do we hook the card up Via an Adaptac SCSI card ;Mounted in a PCI slot on the PC

>> And cable it up to the IDE-SCSI ;adapter card In order to update the firmware?

Yes- you take the bridge and put it on say a IDE CDROM or Hard disk.

Then connected just as you have described.

You download the firmware flasher program from the ACARD website.

You flash it from in windows.

That's it….

-T

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