emax use a 800Kb disk format (10 sectors / tracks) with a special track skew. and of course it doesn't use fat filesystem... all of these low cost usb emulators use some hardcoded sector layout : 9 sectors/tracks in 720Kb (@250Kb/s) or 18 sectors/tracks in 1.44Mb (@500Kb/s) There is a low cost HxC available since a year : http://www.lotharek.pl/product.php?pid=91 This one is working for sure with emax and all others synth... ---In emax@yahoogroups.com, <jammie.emma@...> wrote: as always i do lots of testing with gear to find what works i did the vfd then the oled displays and then ted enquired about a proper parallel connection version which he tested and verified to work and then sorted out a pre production run after that it was a 1000+ minimum order but i still fit the other version which is still available and cheap but need to be hard wired sometimes its not a bad thing as some people try and desolder them and burn all the tracks which i then have to through hole rivet so i can get a good connection a lot of time and effort goes into testing these things before even letting the group know as i service lots of stuff i have to garantee my work and parts as they are new any way im doing the floppy emulators at the moment as im doing them hard wired with the conversion cables for the sy85 and sy99 as they yse the 26pin idc and 24 pin flatcable connection with added power and when i get time i will see if i can get the emax to read and write to a flash disk like i said though as its a usb partitioned pen drive with 100 720k or 1000 720k images it depends if i can send a device to esynthesis so that he can write emax version banks to it as i said before the hxc can read many formats so it can emulate the disk structure for that system these usb types use dos fat12 floppy disk and so you have to hope that formating them in fat 12 that the synths and samplers can format these images to there own format like the hxc floppy emulator can ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Summers mailto:djtbs1@... To: emax@yahoogroups.com mailto:emax@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 4:47 PM Subject: Re: Re: [emax] RE: What about an IPCAS USB to replace the floppy drives in our units? That IPCAS also looks like it needs to be configured on a PC.....then you better know how you are configuring what the options mean / change for the drive... when I had PCD-50b's for sale I preconfigured them and tested them in an Emax before selling them. When doing OLED for the group, I prepped them as well. It seems like this whole floppy USB drive thing gets rehashed 1 - 2 times a year, and it gets aggravating due to people asking the same questions that are already asked time and again. - no search of message archives to see if the questions are answered already. I haven't seen a way to make a FAQ for the group, but may make a FAQ file(s) in the files section so the same questions don't have to get asked. Suffice to say- if Jammie or I hear about a new product we will try and test / qualify it and let the group know where it becomes available / known working for Emax.... assuming the cost is reasonable to get a unit in the first place. We've seen quite a few people spend $$$$$ and then complain complain complain because they bought something that didn't work... against our recommendations not to buy.... anyways- that's my 2 cents. -Ted On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Ted Summers <djtbs1@... mailto:djtbs1@...> wrote: I said already yesterday- V3 would PROBABLY work. It has the ability to set DS0, per the documentation. But at $328 + shipping, I don't understand why you would go that way if you have an internal SCSI flash media drive.... On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@... mailto:windrumscoggin@...> wrote: Can any of you answer the questions this fellow here at IPCAS has about our machines? (see below) If so he might be able to refer us to a USB floppy emulator that just might work. Hell, I'd love having a USB drive to boot my Emax off of... then just take the jump drive out and format it in EMXP..so cool Dear Mr. Scoggin, Thank you very much for your inquiry and your interest in our product. This type we have not in our reverence list. Without any information you can only buy and test. To estimate which floppy emulator version you need answer my questions as much as you can, please! -Can you tell me which machine do you use? EMU Emulator sampler -Can you reed a floppy disk with your windows or DOS PC? (not quite sure what he means by this question-greg_ -Do your machine use 720kb or 1.44mb floppys? -And which type/model of floppy disk do you have? -Have it jumper? -Is the busy LED always shining? If you have any further question, please do not hesitate to contact me via email. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Best regards -------------------------------------------------------- Harald Kreidl, Production Manager Data Respons GmbH Gundstraße 15 91056 Erlangen, Germany Tel: +49 9131 7677-100 Fax: +49 9131 7677-78 Dir: +49 9131 7677-138 hkl@... mailto:hkl@... www.datarespons.de http://www.datarespons.de/ On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 8:28 AM, jammie <jammie.emma@... mailto:jammie.emma@...> wrote: if you want to do it like that then you need a meatal playe with a hole and a male 34pin connector which is panel mount and then just have a hxc in a external 3.5" case with psu and the same again a male panel mount 34 pin connector ill have a look into it to see how much a 3.5" metal housing will cost on a small volume production with a slot for the panel mount 34 pin connector and a 5.25" cdrom case with the same connector the only problem you need to overcome is the no floppy attached problems with some synths and you will have to add a jumper on the 34 pin connector on the e4ultra its pin 33-34 dont know what it is on the emax but you will need to find out for every machine you have but that would be about a £160-180 layout for a multi machine drive thats doable but need to find out each signal for floppy attach signals otherwise you will get the no disk or even in the case of emax or e4 wont boot properly ----- Original Message ----- From: sweetsynthchuck@... mailto:sweetsynthchuck@... To: emax@yahoogroups.com mailto:emax@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 2:33 PM Subject: RE: Re: [emax] RE: What about an IPCAS USB to replace the floppy drives in our units? I defiantly would be interested in the lower cost alternative if you can get it to work. they already sell a cased HXC http://www.ebay.com/itm/181241049716 http://www.ebay.com/itm/181241049716 But no means to interface with it which is what is missing, they already have a way to metal work as they sell a 3 1/2 inch metal cased version to slot into a floppy drive slot http://www.ebay.com/itm/171152107721 http://www.ebay.com/itm/171152107721 To keep things cheap forget about relays etc just plug and play when you need it, All im suggesting is a floppy cable to say a metal housed connector, you can also have a power extension cable to power the device. similar to what this user made by himself http://eiiiforum.com/index.php?topic=1575.0 http://eiiiforum.com/index.php?topic=1575.0 It makes perfect sense but im yet to see the hxc people offer this type of solution which quite frankly im disappointed as i would pay for 1 unit if i can achieve the above but i cannot justify buying several. ---In emax@yahoogroups.com mailto:emax@yahoogroups.com, <emax@yahoogroups.com mailto:emax@yahoogroups.com> wrote: yes that could be done but not a simple as you say first you would need the interface metal drives to fit a floppy hole a cable from that to the internal 34pin and an connector on the outside of the case a connector that can have a cable attached then you would need a cable now its ok saying it should only cost £10 yes if mass produced and again you need a big customer base for it making one off cables is not cheap i know as i make them for customers all the time then you would need an external case that housed the floppy emulator and some type of rotary switch to switch between machines or relaY BASED so it would be a very expensive switching device so that you could choose which cable the hxc send to plus it would be a night mare with interface cables flying every where on the front of the synths with a item per instrument it makes it easy just like having a floppy drive per instrument there are cheaper alternatives but need to be tested i will let every one know as i have new drives for testing with 999 banks on a usb thumb drive and i can get them for £16+ postage each but have todo mods to them to make them work as 720k drives so there might be a solution if i manage to get them to work i can get them to work in a sy85/99/t1/k5000/sd1 and will be doing tests on other machines but it all depends if i get it working if once i do i can get esynthesis to write to the floppy images on t he usb drive other wise it would be pointless as you wont be able to get files onto it with out loading them first or sampling into the emax as unlike the hxc which can use emax images these devices just make fat12 images and then you save and read and write to them ----- Original Message ----- From: sweetsynthchuck@... mailto:sweetsynthchuck@... To: emax@yahoogroups.com mailto:emax@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 2:01 AM Subject: [emax] RE: What about an IPCAS USB to replace the floppy drives in our units? I can agree to some extent but the price matters and being able to use with multiple machines is important i cant justify buying 3 separate units for my machines let alone 20. for example why do they have a cased version of it but no add on attachment sold separately to allow you to interface with several machines that use floppy drives? All it would take is a floppy cable extension where your original cable will plug into then some form of connecter in a 3 1/2 " case that can screw into where the floppy drive is already. then a cable from the front of the machines face to a port on the floppy emulator, should not cost even 10 quid and it would allow users to use 1 floppy emulator with several machines. but i think they stand to gain alot more selling multiple units instead of being consumer friendly, which frankly is a shame. ---In emax@yahoogroups.com mailto:emax@yahoogroups.com, <windrumscoggin@...> wrote: I agree with Jammie If you want to keep it it's worth the maintenance costs Just like a classic casts 'intangible value' far exceeds its actual blue book value the sound oft Emax is like nothing else in the world . It's sound is unique and DM used it to define theirs. No we may not all get rich like they did off our EMU's but they were a shining example if this machines potential and the beauty and professionalism of its sound It's like trying to put a price on keeping a 63 Jaguar or Porsce running...if you LOVE its intangible value enough no price can be put on it-to you its 'priceless' and to mey Emax is priceless so to keep it running 200 -250 bucks in upgrade costs on an originally 5000 machine is chump change On Tuesday, October 29, 2013, jammie wrote: its cheaper than replacing with a new floppy drive which are almost just as expensive and tyes 20 of them is as expensive as a second hand car but matenance alone on a car is just as expensive as buying the damn thing and insurance nealerly as dear as the car costs now days and it all depends on how much you like your gear and how long yopur planning on using it thats why if i have scsi on my machines i use cf hotswap card drives and why i always fit a slimfloppy cf card combo drive system to emaxes as it brings them to the 21st century and gives many more years use ----- Original Message ----- From: sweetsynthchuck@... To: emax@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 8:54 PM Subject: RE: Re: [emax] What about an IPCAS USB to replace the floppy drives in our units? i would not call 100 quid cheap, for a solution to only 1 unit, you have 20+ samplers replacing all 20 with a hxc will cost you the same price as a second hand car. ---In emax@yahoogroups.com, <emax@yahoogroups.com> wrote: it depends on which breaks down first the emax or the pcd the slim floppy are ok cheap and floppy disks are still being made but if you want a good working known floppy emulator then the hxc is the cheapest to get thats garanteed to work ----- Original Message ----- From: Windrumscoggin To: emax@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [emax] What about an IPCAS USB to replace the floppy drives in our units? Silly Now that I have a PCD yes..but it's not guaranteed to work forever and there may come a day when we all need to replace it with something that does work for the long haul so better to experiment now and be prepared for the inevitable (PCD's NLA) On Oct 29, 2013, at 13:29, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote: they are the china made floppy emulators they buy them from china at £10 a pop then charge £200+ for them and they dont work with the emaxes so dont bother and why would you want a floppy emulator when you have scsi it just seems silly ----- Original Message ----- From: windrumscoggin@... To: emax@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 5:08 PM Subject: [emax] What about an IPCAS USB to replace the floppy drives in our units? Has anyone tried to use one of these to replace their floppy drive? http://www.ipcas.com/products/usb-floppy-emulator-fdd-to-udd.html http://www.ipcas.com/products/usb-floppy-emulator-fdd-to-udd.html -- Le Sociere Des Oscillateurs Mystere No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com/ Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3615/6790 - Release Date: 10/29/13 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com/ Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3615/6790 - Release Date: 10/29/13 -- Le Sociere Des Oscillateurs Mystere No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3615/6790 - Release Date: 10/29/13
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