Elektron Musical Instruments

While on the subject of MD wishlist, I was wondering if anyone else 
agrees that the reverb is in need of an update?

I happen to not have any need AT ALL for the 909 samples... But what 
does annoy me to no end is the fact that the reverb sounds 
very "metallic" and there's no way to get a nice CLEAN reverb sound.

However, I think the metallic reverb is useful in a lot of 
situations... What I'd really like is a control that would allow the 
user to select how metallic the reverb is.

I would like to hear the effects improved alot.  I would like to hear
a better reverb, something that sounds more like a hall, cathedrial
etc.  It seems too dry to me.  I delay that can be clocked differently
to the 16, or 4, tracks.  For example, 1/4 to snare, 1/8 to hh, etc. 
A meatier distortion would be nice too.  

I could be talking out of my @ss.  Maybe you can already do this in
the reverb.  But the delay has only for one type of timing, and there
is no menu for the distortion.  I would like to see some parameters
for distortion.  An effects chain option would be nice too.

So, I would like to see improved effects.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Mind Mechanic <machanic@e...>"
<machanic@e...> wrote:

> While on the subject of MD wishlist, I was wondering if anyone else 
> agrees that the reverb is in need of an update?
> 
> I happen to not have any need AT ALL for the 909 samples... But what 
> does annoy me to no end is the fact that the reverb sounds 
> very "metallic" and there's no way to get a nice CLEAN reverb sound.
> 
> However, I think the metallic reverb is useful in a lot of 
> situations... What I'd really like is a control that would allow the 
> user to select how metallic the reverb is.

Well, it seems some of the current users couldn't give a rats arse 
about there being a 909 hat sample in the thing or not. Others (like 
myself) have tried to recreate the sound, with some succes. Still, I 
can't see why a few extra machines would be something to object to.
(these would NOT cost extraDSP, the number of simultanious machines 
would still be 16, they would cost some memory, but Elektron could 
kill that elvis for sure)

The MD would even be more of a joy to use for me (and a lot of 
potential buyers). It would suck if these (and many other) 
improvements would be abailable in the MD mkII and not in the MD 
v.1.2... I honestly don't understand people who might object to 
extra functionalities that Elektron *might* provide...I sure as hell 
was *Ver* happy when novation gave me the extra filters and 
oscillator models for my Nova when they realesed their OS4. Not that 
I didn't like my 3.1 Nova...on the contrary! 

Why don't we get a whishlist going? (we are already, aren't we?) 
Maybe someone from Elektron will pick some of our ideas up.

ps. here's a few extra ideas: 

a) Show real parameter values (ms, hz etc) instead of 0-127 when 
turning knobs. 

b) Make lock settings easier to copy from one grid postition to 
another...(so I can program only one 16th note and copy the settings 
of that note to every 2nd 16th note...)

c) Give my those 909 hats. With 8 parameters!

You have great ideas here.  I agree more machines would be great.  I 
haven't seen elvis and don't care to.  In b)you mean like a note 
record function?  I wanted this but for got about it.  Real 
parameters would be much better.  909 hh would be nice too, along 
with about 4 other new machines, but not just one.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "basvandewerk <Bazziman@h...>" 
<Bazziman@h...> wrote:
> Well, it seems some of the current users couldn't give a rats arse 
> about there being a 909 hat sample in the thing or not. Others 
(like 
> myself) have tried to recreate the sound, with some succes. Still, 
I 
> can't see why a few extra machines would be something to object to.
> (these would NOT cost extraDSP, the number of simultanious machines 
> would still be 16, they would cost some memory, but Elektron could 
> kill that elvis for sure)
> 
> The MD would even be more of a joy to use for me (and a lot of 
> potential buyers). It would suck if these (and many other) 
> improvements would be abailable in the MD mkII and not in the MD 
> v.1.2... I honestly don't understand people who might object to 
> extra functionalities that Elektron *might* provide...I sure as 
hell 
> was *Ver* happy when novation gave me the extra filters and 
> oscillator models for my Nova when they realesed their OS4. Not 
that 
> I didn't like my 3.1 Nova...on the contrary! 
> 
> Why don't we get a whishlist going? (we are already, aren't we?) 
> Maybe someone from Elektron will pick some of our ideas up.
> 
> ps. here's a few extra ideas: 
> 
> a) Show real parameter values (ms, hz etc) instead of 0-127 when 
> turning knobs. 
> 
> b) Make lock settings easier to copy from one grid postition to 
> another...(so I can program only one 16th note and copy the 
settings 

> of that note to every 2nd 16th note...)
> 
> c) Give my those 909 hats. With 8 parameters!

Wouldn't be nice if Elektron add 'wave table synth' machine with 
common waveforms like sine, square, triangle, etc.. plus a few 
others. Paramters could be: 
- waveform1, speed1, attack, decay 
- waveform2, speed2, mix_type, mix_value
I think this would give us possibilty to create totally new sounds 
especially it there would be ability to load/create our own waveforms.

reagrds,
Miha

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "endlessnessisticman 
<endlessnessisticman@y...>" <endlessnessisticman@y...> wrote:
> You have great ideas here.  I agree more machines would be great.  
I 

> haven't seen elvis and don't care to.  In b)you mean like a note 
> record function?  I wanted this but for got about it.  Real 
> parameters would be much better.  909 hh would be nice too, along 
> with about 4 other new machines, but not just one.
>

"there's no place like home"

(my child you could hve gone home any time you wanted)


> Wouldn't be nice if Elektron add 'wave table synth' machine with 
> common waveforms like sine, square, triangle, etc.. plus a few 
> others. 

there *is* a sine wave generator.  DIST it and you have square.
mild distortion is basically a square wave.  Also, in the sample
based drum kits, if you use many repitions (e.g.127) and short
retrigger times, you get a pitchable waveform.  Using the 5
filter parameters, you can get quite a range of waveforms.

Employ a triggered amplitude envelope and you have attack!

Use the option to connect two sounds together (in kit setup)
and you can make mixtures!

Mix Type however, (e.g. non-linear lookup tables) can easily
require up to 65536x oversampling (e.g. 2.8GHz sampling rate,
just for 8-bit sounds), and is completely out of the question!
(I've been doing reserach on waveform mixing)

In general, creating your own waveforms is not as useful as you
might htink.  After all, there is a definite, finite limit
on the # of waveforms your brain can distinguish.  What's really
valuable is how you modulate those waveforms.

-N

Paramters could be: 
> - waveform1, speed1, attack, decay 
> - waveform2, speed2, mix_type, mix_value
> I think this would give us possibilty to create totally new sounds 
> especially it there would be ability to load/create our own waveforms.
> 
> reagrds,
> Miha
> 
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "endlessnessisticman 
> <endlessnessisticman@y...>" <endlessnessisticman@y...> wrote:
> > You have great ideas here.  I agree more machines would be great.  
> I 
> > haven't seen elvis and don't care to.  In b)you mean like a note 
> > record function?  I wanted this but for got about it.  Real 
> > parameters would be much better.  909 hh would be nice too, along 
> > with about 4 other new machines, but not just one.
> > 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
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> 

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--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "basvandewerk <Bazziman@h...>" 
<Bazziman@h...> wrote:

> a) Show real parameter values (ms, hz etc) instead of 0-127 when 
> turning knobs. 

  YES!!!

  I was messing with the dynamics the other day and cursing Elektron 
for not putting in real numbers... Makes the thing much less 
intuitive for those of us who are used to hardware compressors.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Crackpot <shifty@g...> wrote:

> In general, creating your own waveforms is not as useful as you
> might htink.  After all, there is a definite, finite limit
> on the # of waveforms your brain can distinguish.  What's really
> valuable is how you modulate those waveforms.

  Kind of depends on how you define "waveform"; look at transwave 
synths like the Wave, ASR-10, Fizmo, etc, and their implementation 
and definition of a waveform is vastly different than the 
usual/standard subtractive synth waveforms... Given the direction 
that those synths as well as many samplers go in, it could be argued 
that ANY sound or source is (or can be) a waveform in its own right.  
So even a vocal snippet could be a waveform in theory, and that would 
have a vastly different sound -- even independently of how you 
modulated it -- than other waveform types.

  So really, IMHO, it depends on what kind of waveforms could be 
used/created... Of course, if it's just standard waveform types, 
you're probably correct; creative modulation is key.  But if the user 
can use a more abstract set of tools, the rules change...