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Pianosoft Floppy Playing Order

2014-07-10 by capespechts@...

Recently purchased and downloaded two floppy discs from Yamaha. The order of the songs on the Web page is different that the order that the songs play on my Disklavier (MX 100 with Tone Generator).


I thought in the past the I used EEXPLORE to reorder the files. Tried running eexplore under Windows 7 and get an error message when it tries to read the floppy.


Any help would be appreciated.


Ralph Specht

Re: [disklavier] Pianosoft Floppy Playing Order

2014-07-18 by George Frederick Litterst

Good morning, everyone.

Ralph, song files play in the order that they were copied to the floppy disk or in the order in which they were subsequently created. It sounds as though the files on your floppy were copied during the mastering process in a different order from what is specified on the website.

The floppy disks that Yamaha sells typically are missing a boot sector. This makes them normally unreadable on a computer. There are software programs, however, that will read most of these disks on a PC, such as RootARipper (http://www.carolrpt.com/softwaredwnld.htm).

In theory, you could use RootARipper to copy the files to your PC’s hard drive. Then, you could format a fresh double-sided floppy (DD) in your Disklavier, open it on your PC, and carefully copy the files, one at a time, to the floppy disk in the order that you would like them to play.

NOTE: If you copy a group of files at once, you have no control over the order in which they actually get written to the floppy.

It seems to me that it is reasonable for you to follow that procedure with any floppy disk that you own. However, some may challenge one’s right to do this sort of thing under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.

Regards,
PianoBench


On Jul 10, 2014, at 3:59 PM, capespechts@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Recently purchased and downloaded two floppy discs from Yamaha. The order of the songs on the Web page is different that the order that the songs play on my Disklavier (MX 100 with Tone Generator).


I thought in the past the I used EEXPLORE to reorder the files. Tried running eexplore under Windows 7 and get an error message when it tries to read the floppy.


Any help would be appreciated.


Ralph Specht



Re: [disklavier] Pianosoft Floppy Playing Order

2014-07-18 by Ralph Specht

Thanks. I used the utility to copy to the hard drive. Used EExplore to setup the right order. Reindexed with EExplore and then copied back to a floppy. 

Worked great

Thanks to all. 
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> On Jul 18, 2014, at 11:32 AM, "George Frederick Litterst PianoBench@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Good morning, everyone.
> 
> 
> Ralph, song files play in the order that they were copied to the floppy disk or in the order in which they were subsequently created. It sounds as though the files on your floppy were copied during the mastering process in a different order from what is specified on the website.
> 
> The floppy disks that Yamaha sells typically are missing a boot sector. This makes them normally unreadable on a computer. There are software programs, however, that will read most of these disks on a PC, such as RootARipper (http://www.carolrpt.com/softwaredwnld.htm).
> 
> In theory, you could use RootARipper to copy the files to your PC’s hard drive. Then, you could format a fresh double-sided floppy (DD) in your Disklavier, open it on your PC, and carefully copy the files, one at a time, to the floppy disk in the order that you would like them to play.
> 
> NOTE: If you copy a group of files at once, you have no control over the order in which they actually get written to the floppy.
> 
> It seems to me that it is reasonable for you to follow that procedure with any floppy disk that you own. However, some may challenge one’s right to do this sort of thing under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. 
> 
> Regards,
> PianoBench
> 
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2014, at 3:59 PM, capespechts@gmail.com [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Recently purchased and downloaded two floppy discs from Yamaha.  The order of the songs on the Web page is different that the order that the songs play on my Disklavier (MX 100 with Tone Generator).
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I thought in the past the I used EEXPLORE to reorder the files.  Tried running eexplore under Windows 7 and get an error message when it tries to read the floppy.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Any help would be appreciated.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ralph Specht
>> 
> 
>

Re: [disklavier] Pianosoft Floppy Playing Order

2014-07-18 by Skanter123

George, for those of us with Mark II DKVs, I wonder if it's possible for us to receive DKV radio (and other data) on our computers on the  internet and send out thru MIDI to our DKVs? This seems technologically simple, but perhaps Yamaha does not want to do for some reason?

Sam 
www.keyboardcollective.com
(212) 684-3304
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> On Jul 18, 2014, at 11:32 AM, "George Frederick Litterst PianoBench@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Good morning, everyone.
> 
> 
> Ralph, song files play in the order that they were copied to the floppy disk or in the order in which they were subsequently created. It sounds as though the files on your floppy were copied during the mastering process in a different order from what is specified on the website.
> 
> The floppy disks that Yamaha sells typically are missing a boot sector. This makes them normally unreadable on a computer. There are software programs, however, that will read most of these disks on a PC, such as RootARipper (http://www.carolrpt.com/softwaredwnld.htm).
> 
> In theory, you could use RootARipper to copy the files to your PC’s hard drive. Then, you could format a fresh double-sided floppy (DD) in your Disklavier, open it on your PC, and carefully copy the files, one at a time, to the floppy disk in the order that you would like them to play.
> 
> NOTE: If you copy a group of files at once, you have no control over the order in which they actually get written to the floppy.
> 
> It seems to me that it is reasonable for you to follow that procedure with any floppy disk that you own. However, some may challenge one’s right to do this sort of thing under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. 
> 
> Regards,
> PianoBench
> 
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2014, at 3:59 PM, capespechts@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Recently purchased and downloaded two floppy discs from Yamaha.  The order of the songs on the Web page is different that the order that the songs play on my Disklavier (MX 100 with Tone Generator).
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I thought in the past the I used EEXPLORE to reorder the files.  Tried running eexplore under Windows 7 and get an error message when it tries to read the floppy.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Any help would be appreciated.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ralph Specht
>> 
> 
>

Re: [disklavier] Pianosoft Floppy Playing Order

2014-07-18 by George Frederick Litterst

Good afternoon, everyone.

Sam, I have not read a public statement from Yamaha as to why a Mark II with a DKC-850 is not allowed to receive DisklavierRadio and DisklavierTV broadcasts. It seems technically feasible to allow DisklavierRadio and DisklavierTV with a Mark II and a DKC-850. It appears as though a decision was made—possibly for copyright and licensing reasons—not to allow this.

Unless a Mark II has been updated to a Mark IIXG, the only way to use the DKC-850 with it is to connect the DKC-850 to the original control unit via MIDI cables. If, in this situation, the DKC-850 could receive DisklavierRadio or DisklavierTV broadcasts, the MIDI stream would be passed from the DKC-850 to the Mark II control unit via MIDI cables. Anyone could, at that point, reroute the MIDI cables and capture the MIDI stream in a sequencer.

I do know that the licensing of Internet broadcasts is a bit of a nightmare given the different laws in each country as well as the issue of negotiating live and archive broadcast rights with performers and—in the case of DisklavierTV—synchronization rights. My guess is that if the MIDI data streams could be easily captured, the licensing costs would go up dramatically.

Regards,
PianoBench

On Jul 18, 2014, at 3:59 PM, Skanter123 skanter123@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


George, for those of us with Mark II DKVs, I wonder if it's possible for us to receive DKV radio (and other data) on our computers on the internet and send out thru MIDI to our DKVs? This seems technologically simple, but perhaps Yamaha does not want to do for some reason?

Sam

On Jul 18, 2014, at 11:32 AM, "George Frederick Litterst PianoBench@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Good morning, everyone.


Ralph, song files play in the order that they were copied to the floppy disk or in the order in which they were subsequently created. It sounds as though the files on your floppy were copied during the mastering process in a different order from what is specified on the website.

The floppy disks that Yamaha sells typically are missing a boot sector. This makes them normally unreadable on a computer. There are software programs, however, that will read most of these disks on a PC, such as RootARipper (http://www.carolrpt.com/softwaredwnld.htm).

In theory, you could use RootARipper to copy the files to your PC’s hard drive. Then, you could format a fresh double-sided floppy (DD) in your Disklavier, open it on your PC, and carefully copy the files, one at a time, to the floppy disk in the order that you would like them to play.

NOTE: If you copy a group of files at once, you have no control over the order in which they actually get written to the floppy.

It seems to me that it is reasonable for you to follow that procedure with any floppy disk that you own. However, some may challenge one’s right to do this sort of thing under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.

Regards,
PianoBench


On Jul 10, 2014, at 3:59 PM, capespechts@...m [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Recently purchased and downloaded two floppy discs from Yamaha. The order of the songs on the Web page is different that the order that the songs play on my Disklavier (MX 100 with Tone Generator).


I thought in the past the I used EEXPLORE to reorder the files. Tried running eexplore under Windows 7 and get an error message when it tries to read the floppy.


Any help would be appreciated.


Ralph Specht






Re: [disklavier] Pianosoft Floppy Playing Order

2014-07-18 by Skanter123

That makes sense, George. I was thinking the DKC-850 could be bypassed altogether if DKV radio was streamed from the internet, something Yamaha would probably avoid as it would hurt 850 sales and might infringe on copyrights.

That said,  I would think it would be not too difficult to illegally transfer MIDI data from DKC-850 if someone had the tech savy and really wanted to. 

In any case, I'm perfectly happy with my Mk II without DKV Radio - its a magical instrument!


Sam 
www.keyboardcollective.com
(212) 684-3304
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> On Jul 18, 2014, at 4:32 PM, "George Frederick Litterst PianoBench@aol.com [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Good afternoon, everyone.
> 
> 
> Sam, I have not read a public statement from Yamaha as to why a Mark II with a DKC-850 is not allowed to receive DisklavierRadio and DisklavierTV broadcasts. It seems technically feasible to allow DisklavierRadio and DisklavierTV with a Mark II and a DKC-850. It appears as though a decision was made—possibly for copyright and licensing reasons—not to allow this.
> 
> Unless a Mark II has been updated to a Mark IIXG, the only way to use the DKC-850 with it is to connect the DKC-850 to the original control unit via MIDI cables. If, in this situation, the DKC-850 could receive DisklavierRadio or DisklavierTV broadcasts, the MIDI stream would be passed from the DKC-850 to the Mark II control unit via MIDI cables. Anyone could, at that point, reroute the MIDI cables and capture the MIDI stream in a sequencer.
> 
> I do know that the licensing of Internet broadcasts is a bit of a nightmare given the different laws in each country as well as the issue of negotiating live and archive broadcast rights with performers and—in the case of DisklavierTV—synchronization rights. My guess is that if the MIDI data streams could be easily captured, the licensing costs would go up dramatically.
> 
> Regards,
> PianoBench
> 
>> On Jul 18, 2014, at 3:59 PM, Skanter123 skanter123@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> George, for those of us with Mark II DKVs, I wonder if it's possible for us to receive DKV radio (and other data) on our computers on the  internet and send out thru MIDI to our DKVs? This seems technologically simple, but perhaps Yamaha does not want to do for some reason?
>> 
>> Sam 
>> www.keyboardcollective.com
>> (212) 684-3304
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 18, 2014, at 11:32 AM, "George Frederick Litterst PianoBench@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Good morning, everyone.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ralph, song files play in the order that they were copied to the floppy disk or in the order in which they were subsequently created. It sounds as though the files on your floppy were copied during the mastering process in a different order from what is specified on the website.
>>> 
>>> The floppy disks that Yamaha sells typically are missing a boot sector. This makes them normally unreadable on a computer. There are software programs, however, that will read most of these disks on a PC, such as RootARipper (http://www.carolrpt.com/softwaredwnld.htm).
>>> 
>>> In theory, you could use RootARipper to copy the files to your PC’s hard drive. Then, you could format a fresh double-sided floppy (DD) in your Disklavier, open it on your PC, and carefully copy the files, one at a time, to the floppy disk in the order that you would like them to play.
>>> 
>>> NOTE: If you copy a group of files at once, you have no control over the order in which they actually get written to the floppy.
>>> 
>>> It seems to me that it is reasonable for you to follow that procedure with any floppy disk that you own. However, some may challenge one’s right to do this sort of thing under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> PianoBench
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 10, 2014, at 3:59 PM, capespechts@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Recently purchased and downloaded two floppy discs from Yamaha.  The order of the songs on the Web page is different that the order that the songs play on my Disklavier (MX 100 with Tone Generator).
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I thought in the past the I used EEXPLORE to reorder the files.  Tried running eexplore under Windows 7 and get an error message when it tries to read the floppy.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Any help would be appreciated.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Ralph Specht
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
>

Re: [disklavier] Pianosoft Floppy Playing Order

2014-07-19 by mangez@...

Was working for Yamaha, I was told that (officially) it is down to copyright issues.

Adrian Thomas Music Services
www.adrianthomas.net

On Jul 18 2014, Skanter123 skanter123@... [disklavier] wrote:

That makes sense, George. I was thinking the DKC-850 could be bypassed altogether if DKV radio was streamed from the internet, something Yamaha would probably avoid as it would hurt 850 sales and might infringe on copyrights.

That said, I would think it would be not too difficult to illegally transfer MIDI data from DKC-850 if someone had the tech savy and really wanted to.

In any case, I'm perfectly happy with my Mk II without DKV Radio - its a magical instrument!


Sam
www.keyboardcollective.com
(212) 684-3304





>; On Jul 18, 2014, at 4:32 PM, "George Frederick Litterst PianoBench@...m [disklavier]" wrote:
>
> Good afternoon, everyone.
>
>
> Sam, I have not read a public statement from Yamaha as to why a Mark II with a DKC-850 is not allowed to receive DisklavierRadio and DisklavierTV broadcasts. It seems technically feasible to allow DisklavierRadio and DisklavierTV with a Mark II and a DKC-850. It appears as though a decision was made—possibly for copyright and licensing reasons—not to allow this.
>
> Unless a Mark II has been updated to a Mark IIXG, the only way to use the DKC-850 with it is to connect the DKC-850 to the original control unit via MIDI cables. If, in this situation, the DKC-850 could receive DisklavierRadio or DisklavierTV broadcasts, the MIDI stream would be passed from the DKC-850 to the Mark II control unit via MIDI cables. Anyone could, at that point, reroute the MIDI cables and capture the MIDI stream in a sequencer.
>
> I do know that the licensing of Internet broadcasts is a bit of a nightmare given the different laws in each country as well as the issue of negotiating live and archive broadcast rights with performers and—in the case of DisklavierTV—synchronization rights. My guess is that if the MIDI data streams could be easily captured, the licensing costs would go up dramatically.
>
> Regards,
> PianoBench
>
>> On Jul 18, 2014, at 3:59 PM, Skanter123 skanter123@... [disklavier] wrote:
>>
>>
>> George, for those of us with Mark II DKVs, I wonder if it's possible for us to receive DKV radio (and other data) on our computers on the internet and send out thru MIDI to our DKVs? This seems technologically simple, but perhaps Yamaha does not want to do for some reason?
>>
>> Sam
>> www.keyboardcollective.com
>> (212) 684-3304
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 18, 2014, at 11:32 AM, "George Frederick Litterst PianoBench@... [disklavier]" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Good morning, everyone.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ralph, song files play in the order that they were copied to the floppy disk or in the order in which they were subsequently created. It sounds as though the files on your floppy were copied during the mastering process in a different order from what is specified on the website.
>>>
>>> The floppy disks that Yamaha sells typically are missing a boot sector. This makes them normally unreadable on a computer. There are software programs, however, that will read most of these disks on a PC, such as RootARipper (http://www.carolrpt.com/softwaredwnld.htm).
>>>
>>> In theory, you could use RootARipper to copy the files to your PC’s hard drive. Then, you could format a fresh double-sided floppy (DD) in your Disklavier, open it on your PC, and carefully copy the files, one at a time, to the floppy disk in the order that you would like them to play.
>>>
>>> NOTE: If you copy a group of files at once, you have no control over the order in which they actually get written to the floppy.
>>>
>>> It seems to me that it is reasonable for you to follow that procedure with any floppy disk that you own. However, some may challenge one’s right to do this sort of thing under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> PianoBench
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jul 10, 2014, at 3:59 PM, capespechts@... [disklavier] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Recently purchased and downloaded two floppy discs from Yamaha. The order of the songs on the Web page is different that the order that the songs play on my Disklavier (MX 100 with Tone Generator).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I thought in the past the I used EEXPLORE to reorder the files. Tried running eexplore under Windows 7 and get an error message when it tries to read the floppy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Any help would be appreciated.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ralph Specht
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

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