Datacolor User to User Support Group.

Hi,

I just recieved my Spyder 3 Print package and had a question before I
get started. Does the software run any kind of a self-diagnostic
program that confirms that the device is running properly? 

The only reason I ask is that the plastic surface on the top of the
device has some light scuff marks on it. I would guess that it's
probably going to work fine. But nevertheless wondered if there is any
way to confirm that if is in fact functioning properly.

Thanks,

John

Calibrate the device then measure the white tile from the Tools >  
Measure menu item. The white tile should be about L* 90 and a*/b* near  
zero.

C. D. Tobie
WW Product Technology Mngr.
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
DataColor.com
CDTobie@...

On Nov 14, 2008, at 3:41 PM, "John Arnold" <john.arnold@...>  
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I just recieved my Spyder 3 Print package and had a question before I
> get started. Does the software run any kind of a self-diagnostic
> program that confirms that the device is running properly?
>
> The only reason I ask is that the plastic surface on the top of the
> device has some light scuff marks on it. I would guess that it's
> probably going to work fine. But nevertheless wondered if there is any
> way to confirm that if is in fact functioning properly.
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

I am another one who would like to check on the device. The reason is 
that I am getting too much magenta into my prints. Various efforts to 
identify the cause have failed. Whites are OK. If I print one of the 
Spyder 3 test charts  using the profile I previously made with Spyder 3 
Print, would it be possible to measure with the device a few color 
chart rectangles (samples) to see if they have the right color?

Fred Bjorksten

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, Cdtobie <CDTobie@...> wrote:
>
> Calibrate the device then measure the white tile from the Tools >  
> Measure menu item. The white tile should be about L* 90 and a*/b* 
near  

> zero.
> 
>

On Nov 15, 2008, at 7:24 AM, fred_bjorksten wrote:

> I am another one who would like to check on the device. The reason is
> that I am getting too much magenta into my prints. Various efforts to
> identify the cause have failed. Whites are OK. If I print one of the
> Spyder 3 test charts using the profile I previously made with Spyder 3
> Print, would it be possible to measure with the device a few color
> chart rectangles (samples) to see if they have the right color?
>
>
>

If you're getting too much magenta: that implies you're not building,
creating, or using the profiles properly.

Usually, a printer will have a green cast when it's running
uncalibrated. The profile will compensate for this by adjusting
the image more towards magenta when you make the print. The two
effects (uncalibrated green cast from the printer, plus magenta
cast coming from the profile to offset this) cancel each other out.

Magenta cast in your PRINTS through the profile implies that when
you're printing, your driver is not running with color management
turned off. So you get the profile adjustment, without the
uncalibrated driver to balance it off, and the result is a magenta
print.



David Miller
Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
Datacolor

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, Cdtobie <CDTobie@...> wrote:
>
> Calibrate the device then measure the white tile from the Tools >  
> Measure menu item. The white tile should be about L* 90 and a*/b* near  
> zero.
> 

OK.  I did that and the measurements I got are L=90.63 a=(-0.74) and b=(-1.39). Density 
=0.11. Do those measurements sound correct? Also, it appears that the software version I 
am using is Version 3.0, library version 1.70. Does that sound right or should I be 
downloading a more updated version. I thought there was a version 3.5 available.

John

Those values sound exactly right. You will enjoy the faster reading  
time and other improvements in the 3.5 beta build, give it a try.

C. D. Tobie
WW Product Technology Mngr.
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
DataColor.com
CDTobie@...

On Nov 15, 2008, at 1:21 PM, "John Arnold" <john.arnold@...>  
wrote:

> --- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, Cdtobie <CDTobie@...> wrote:
>>
>> Calibrate the device then measure the white tile from the Tools >
>> Measure menu item. The white tile should be about L* 90 and a*/b*  
>> near
>> zero.
>>
>
> OK.  I did that and the measurements I got are L=90.63 a=(-0.74) and  
> b=(-1.39). Density
> =0.11. Do those measurements sound correct? Also, it appears that  
> the software version I
> am using is Version 3.0, library version 1.70. Does that sound right  
> or should I be
> downloading a more updated version. I thought there was a version  
> 3.5 available.
>
> John
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

The test in question was already covered by my post.

C. D. Tobie
WW Product Technology Mngr.
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
DataColor.com
CDTobie@DataColor.com

On Nov 15, 2008, at 11:51 AM, Fred Björkstén <bjorksten.fred@...>  
wrote:

> Thank you David for the comment, which was not an answer to my  
> question. I would still like to test the device.
>
> The driver color management definitely is turned off, but there  
> could of course be something wrong with driver software. Perhaps I  
> should reinstall it.
>
> Fred
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Miller
> To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 6:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [colorvision_group] Re: Self Diagnostic
>
>
> On Nov 15, 2008, at 7:24 AM, fred_bjorksten wrote:
>
> > I am another one who would like to check on the device. The reason  
> is
> > that I am getting too much magenta into my prints. Various efforts  
> to
> > identify the cause have failed. Whites are OK. If I print one of the
> > Spyder 3 test charts using the profile I previously made with  
> Spyder 3
> > Print, would it be possible to measure with the device a few color
> > chart rectangles (samples) to see if they have the right color?
> >
> >
> >
>
> If you're getting too much magenta: that implies you're not building,
> creating, or using the profiles properly.
>
> Usually, a printer will have a green cast when it's running
> uncalibrated. The profile will compensate for this by adjusting
> the image more towards magenta when you make the print. The two
> effects (uncalibrated green cast from the printer, plus magenta
> cast coming from the profile to offset this) cancel each other out.
>
> Magenta cast in your PRINTS through the profile implies that when
> you're printing, your driver is not running with color management
> turned off. So you get the profile adjustment, without the
> uncalibrated driver to balance it off, and the result is a magenta
> print.
>
> David Miller
> Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
> Datacolor
>
>
>

I have two scenarios that I use to print Spyder3Print targets without 
color management.  Please tell me if these are correct:

In Windows XP, printing targets from Spyder3Print 3.5b9 with the HP 
B9180 I would print with Application Managed Colors.  That setting in 
the printer drivers would give me target prints with no color 
management. Using the profile I get a magenta cast in my B&W image 
prints. I used the 225 and B&W calibration targets.  (I can correct 
the cast in the profile using the edit options in Spyder3Print.)  I 
convert the image from Prophoto to Adobe RGB 1998 and use perceptual 
with black point compensation when printing with the profile.  After 
reading posts in the forum I will try saturation without black point 
compensation when I print again using the profile.

If I print the targets from Photoshop CS3 I have the option of 
selecting No Color Management in the Photoshop CS3 Print menu along 
with setting Application Managed Colors in the Printer Driver.  I 
haven't tried this method yet.

In both scenarios I use the paper and paper setting I would use with 
the profile.  Target prints are dried-down for several hours to a 
whole day.  When I print images with the profiles in PSCS3 I use 
application managed colors in the B9180 drivers.

I calibrated the Datacolor 1005 and get readings of L 89+ and A/B 
of1.34/.74 ( A/B could be reversed)

Based on what I read in one the posts on the forum, a magenta cast 
might indicate that color management might not be off when printing a 
target.

Sorry for the lengthy post but reading around the Web is a little 
confusing on color workflows.

Regards

DavidL


--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, David Miller <dm2363@...> 
wrote:
>
> 
> On Nov 15, 2008, at 7:24 AM, fred_bjorksten wrote:
> 
> > I am another one who would like to check on the device. The 
reason is
> > that I am getting too much magenta into my prints. Various 
efforts to
> > identify the cause have failed. Whites are OK. If I print one of 
the
> > Spyder 3 test charts using the profile I previously made with 
Spyder 3
> > Print, would it be possible to measure with the device a few color
> > chart rectangles (samples) to see if they have the right color?
> >
> >
> >
> 
> If you're getting too much magenta: that implies you're not 
building,

> creating, or using the profiles properly.
> 
> Usually, a printer will have a green cast when it's running
> uncalibrated. The profile will compensate for this by adjusting
> the image more towards magenta when you make the print. The two
> effects (uncalibrated green cast from the printer, plus magenta
> cast coming from the profile to offset this) cancel each other out.
> 
> Magenta cast in your PRINTS through the profile implies that when
> you're printing, your driver is not running with color management
> turned off. So you get the profile adjustment, without the
> uncalibrated driver to balance it off, and the result is a magenta
> print.
> 
> 
> 
> David Miller
> Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
> Datacolor
>