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BnW profiling on an R1800

2008-10-06 by gmcphotographics

I've been using a Colorvision PrintFix 2 Pro for about 9 months. I've 
calibrated both of my main displays and I'm happy with my result.
It's a Samsung 226bw. It profile's fairly neutral, with a very slight 
warm tone. 
My issue is my Epson R1800, running an Ink Republic CIS system. I've 
never got colours that I'm happy with. I'm using Ilford Smooth Pearl 
paper, because I like it's texture and the IR inks aren't very 
glossy, so glossy papers look wrong. 
So what's my problem? The output has a strong green cast. I have used 
the large patch and I've used the extended greys. I allowed the 
targets a week to dry before calibrating, I printed the targets from 
Photoshop CS2, making sure that no profile was selected. I've ran the 
Printfix pro software along side photoshop (restarting it ever time I 
made a profile change) and I can't get this paper neutral. There is a 
really strong green cast still. If I print a grey scale, it's more 
like a green scale and there's odd pink colour bands in the greys 
too. Is there something that I'm doing wrong or is that this device 
isn't accurate enough to fix this paper/ink combo?

Regards,

Gareth Cooper

Re: [colorvision_group] BnW profiling on an R1800

2008-10-06 by David Miller

On Oct 6, 2008, at 5:01 PM, gmcphotographics wrote:

> I've been using a Colorvision PrintFix 2 Pro for about 9 months. I've
> calibrated both of my main displays and I'm happy with my result.
> It's a Samsung 226bw. It profile's fairly neutral, with a very slight
> warm tone.
> My issue is my Epson R1800, running an Ink Republic CIS system. I've
> never got colours that I'm happy with. I'm using Ilford Smooth Pearl
> paper, because I like it's texture and the IR inks aren't very
> glossy, so glossy papers look wrong.
> So what's my problem? The output has a strong green cast. I have used
> the large patch and I've used the extended greys. I allowed the
> targets a week to dry before calibrating, I printed the targets from
> Photoshop CS2, making sure that no profile was selected. I've ran the
> Printfix pro software along side photoshop (restarting it ever time I
> made a profile change) and I can't get this paper neutral. There is a
> really strong green cast still. If I print a grey scale, it's more
> like a green scale and there's odd pink colour bands in the greys
> too. Is there something that I'm doing wrong or is that this device
> isn't accurate enough to fix this paper/ink combo?
>
>
>

Can you email your measurements to me so that I can have a look? Could
be that you're not printing the target correctly; (in particular,
this can be a problem with Epson drivers under OSX Leopard, if you're
running on a Mac). If you print the target "wrong" with color management
turned on, then you'll get a do-nothing profile from the measurements,
and THEN, when you try to print through profile, you'll get a
non-color-managed print. (which on an R1800.... will have a dark,  
greenish
cast, so I think that's what's probably going on here).

Or just as a guess: if you're printing on a Mac, with OSX and Leopard:
you have to choose "Epson Color Controls" in the Color Matching
pane up near the top of the Leopard print dialog popup when you print.
If you choose ColorSync (which is, unfortunately, the default), then
the Epson standard profile gets applied, and you get: a color managed
target print (bad). If this is the case: reprint the target with
Epson Color Controls selected in the Color Matching section (and then,
also, in the R1800-specific section, make sure you turn color
management OFF as well). This would give you a visibly darker target
print if you compared with your previous target print, side-by-side.
THEN measure this, build a profile from the measurements, and print.

David Miller
Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
Datacolor

Re: BnW profiling on an R1800

2008-10-06 by gmcphotographics

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, David Miller <dm2363@...> 
wrote:
>
> 
> On Oct 6, 2008, at 5:01 PM, gmcphotographics wrote:
> 
> > I've been using a Colorvision PrintFix 2 Pro for about 9 months. 
I've
> > calibrated both of my main displays and I'm happy with my result.
> > It's a Samsung 226bw. It profile's fairly neutral, with a very 
slight
> > warm tone.
> > My issue is my Epson R1800, running an Ink Republic CIS system. 
I've
> > never got colours that I'm happy with. I'm using Ilford Smooth 
Pearl
> > paper, because I like it's texture and the IR inks aren't very
> > glossy, so glossy papers look wrong.
> > So what's my problem? The output has a strong green cast. I have 
used
> > the large patch and I've used the extended greys. I allowed the
> > targets a week to dry before calibrating, I printed the targets 
from
> > Photoshop CS2, making sure that no profile was selected. I've ran 
the
> > Printfix pro software along side photoshop (restarting it ever 
time I
> > made a profile change) and I can't get this paper neutral. There 
is a
> > really strong green cast still. If I print a grey scale, it's more
> > like a green scale and there's odd pink colour bands in the greys
> > too. Is there something that I'm doing wrong or is that this 
device
> > isn't accurate enough to fix this paper/ink combo?
> >
> >
> >
> 
> Can you email your measurements to me so that I can have a look? 
Could
> be that you're not printing the target correctly; (in particular,
> this can be a problem with Epson drivers under OSX Leopard, if 
you're
> running on a Mac). If you print the target "wrong" with color 
management
> turned on, then you'll get a do-nothing profile from the 
measurements,
> and THEN, when you try to print through profile, you'll get a
> non-color-managed print. (which on an R1800.... will have a dark,  
> greenish
> cast, so I think that's what's probably going on here).
> 
> Or just as a guess: if you're printing on a Mac, with OSX and 
Leopard:
> you have to choose "Epson Color Controls" in the Color Matching
> pane up near the top of the Leopard print dialog popup when you 
print.
> If you choose ColorSync (which is, unfortunately, the default), then
> the Epson standard profile gets applied, and you get: a color 
managed
> target print (bad). If this is the case: reprint the target with
> Epson Color Controls selected in the Color Matching section (and 
then,
> also, in the R1800-specific section, make sure you turn color
> management OFF as well). This would give you a visibly darker target
> print if you compared with your previous target print, side-by-side.
> THEN measure this, build a profile from the measurements, and print.
> 
> David Miller
> Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
> Datacolor
>

Ok, I've checked my CIS and the magenta ink tank was getting low and 
had looks like it's pressure was pretty weak. I've re-primed it and 
now every thing has a strong magenta cast (indicating that this was 
the problem all along). So I'm scrapping all of my target sheets and 
profiles...and starting again. Ho-hum....at least I now know what the 
root cause was! If I have any more problems...I'll drop you a line or 
two :-)

Regards,

Gareth Cooper

RE: [colorvision_group] BnW profiling on an R1800

2008-10-06 by Laurie

It sounds to me like it might be the ink formulation itself that is not pure
black but has a greenish color cast to it.  If this is the case, I doubt if
you can do anything about the green cast via profiles or Photoshop except
possibly minimize the color cast somewhat.  You might try changing papers
since the paper may have a base color or brighteners in it that are causing
the green color cast; otherwise the solution might be to change ink brands
and see if a different formulation produces the same color cast.
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Subject: [colorvision_group] BnW profiling on an R1800

 

I've been using a Colorvision PrintFix 2 Pro for about 9 months. I've 
calibrated both of my main displays and I'm happy with my result.
It's a Samsung 226bw. It profile's fairly neutral, with a very slight 
warm tone. 
My issue is my Epson R1800, running an Ink Republic CIS system. I've 
never got colours that I'm happy with. I'm using Ilford Smooth Pearl 
paper, because I like it's texture and the IR inks aren't very 
glossy, so glossy papers look wrong. 
So what's my problem? The output has a strong green cast. I have used 
the large patch and I've used the extended greys. I allowed the 
targets a week to dry before calibrating, I printed the targets from 
Photoshop CS2, making sure that no profile was selected. I've ran the 
Printfix pro software along side photoshop (restarting it ever time I 
made a profile change) and I can't get this paper neutral. There is a 
really strong green cast still. If I print a grey scale, it's more 
like a green scale and there's odd pink colour bands in the greys 
too. Is there something that I'm doing wrong or is that this device 
isn't accurate enough to fix this paper/ink combo?

Regards,

Gareth Cooper 



 

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