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New to Profileing - Very Pleased with PrintFixPro

2006-02-23 by davedoughman

A couple questions from a new profiler and of course new to PrintFix Pro

1. Can PrintFixPro help me make B&W profiles for the Epson 2200? Used
to tweak Epson 2400 B&W printing?

2. I live in Utah and photograph the great parks here. Each park has a
slightly different color red rock. Some lean towards red/blue and
others towards red/brown. Is there a way to read a sample rock (I
would pick up in the parks) to determine it's color balance then I
should be able to set that color in Photoshop using the eye dropper. I
tried to read my GretagMacbeth Color Checker and found I could only
read in LAB not REB. LAB info is foreign to me and I don't know how to
use it for what I'd want to do

Any thoughts on the above would be appreciated

Dave

RE: [colorvision_group] New to Profileing - Very Pleased with PrintFixPro

2006-02-23 by Kris

Dave, you're making it more complicated than it should be.

Using a profiling software like PrintFix Pro is a really great way to get
all of your work 'in line', or calibrated in an extreme way.  Don't worry
about LAB, RGB, CMYK, etc.  All of your devices, scanner, camera, monitor,
printers, work within their own rules.  Again, don't worry about that.

If you have a product that can profile each of your input and output
devices, so they can all relate to each other's color gamut, you have the
ability to get the same work coming into your camera as it goes out to your
printer, as it is displayed on your screen.

I too am new to PrintFIX pro, but I'm not new to profiling.  I consider it a
lot like a jet airline pilot.  They have to trust their instruments, and it
seems like in fact many modern airliners are really pretty automatic.  I use
profiles in the same way.  I look at my display, knowing my printer can't do
flourescent colors, and has trouble with lime green and fire engine red.
Considering these, I can make a few minor tweaks in my image, but basically
I trust that what I've scanned and have on my display is going to be very
close to my print, as long as I use the same settings every time.  Trust the
instruments.

There are products out there that allow you to read a specific color and
incorporate it into your work, but I don't think you need anything like
that. 

Take the time to build the 729 patch profile, take your time and make sure
you have your monitor calibrated, and if you have scanner/camera targets
make sure to incorporate these into your workflow.  You'll be ok.  A few
prints after you get all these profiles in one place, you will know whether
you have to tweak anything.  I have found that I have to reduce red
saturation in photoshop by about 7%, and things are perfect.  (this is using
a different profiler, and I've just built my first Print Fix pro profile, so
I'll report back if there are more tweaks I've found).

-kris moler, co-moderator

p.s. - Utah is probably the most beautiful landscape I've ever traveled
through.  You've got great subject matter, maybe you could share some of
your work in the photo gallery?  :)
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> Subject: [colorvision_group] New to Profileing - Very Pleased 
> with PrintFixPro
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> A couple questions from a new profiler and of course new to 
> PrintFix Pro
> 
> 1. Can PrintFixPro help me make B&W profiles for the Epson 
> 2200? Used to tweak Epson 2400 B&W printing?
> 
> 2. I live in Utah and photograph the great parks here. Each 
> park has a slightly different color red rock. Some lean 
> towards red/blue and others towards red/brown. Is there a way 
> to read a sample rock (I would pick up in the parks) to 
> determine it's color balance then I should be able to set 
> that color in Photoshop using the eye dropper. I tried to 
> read my GretagMacbeth Color Checker and found I could only 
> read in LAB not REB. LAB info is foreign to me and I don't 
> know how to use it for what I'd want to do
> 
> Any thoughts on the above would be appreciated
> 
> Dave
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Re: [colorvision_group] New to Profileing - Very Pleased with PrintFixPro

2006-02-23 by CDTobie@aol.com

In a message dated 2/23/06 3:58:28 PM, davedoughman@... writes:


> 1. Can PrintFixPro help me make B&W profiles for the Epson 2200? 
> 
Yes, for printing B&W or tinted B&W via the color mode, using a custom ICC 
profile for control. This will result in nice enough prints, but not as neutral 
or low metamerism as you could get using the same process with the 2400.


> Used
> to tweak Epson 2400 B&W printing?
> 
Only if you are printing via the method above. Otherwise, all it can do for 
you is allow you to take readings for building a preview profile via the QTR 
stuff...
> 
> 2. I live in Utah and photograph the great parks here. 
> 
Right, as in Moab paper....

> Each park has a
> slightly different color red rock. Some lean towards red/blue and
> others towards red/brown. Is there a way to read a sample rock (I
> would pick up in the parks) to determine it's color balance then I
> should be able to set that color in Photoshop using the eye dropper.
> 
Life is not that simple. Rocks are influenced by the light color that shines 
on them (warm sun, cool sky) reflections from other rocks, atmospheric 
perspective   (from dust and humidity) etc... so a measurement from the stone is only 
one factor in what the visual color in the image holds.

>  I
> tried to read my GretagMacbeth Color Checker and found I could only
> read in LAB not REB. LAB info is foreign to me and I don't know how to
> use it for what I'd want to do
> 
Lab measures absolute color values. RGB is relative, and only has absolute 
meaning when tied to Lab...
> 
> Any thoughts on the above would be appreciated.
> 
I've tossed some in, for what they're worth.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision, Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com
>

Re: New to Profileing - Very Pleased with PrintFixPro

2006-02-23 by John Vitollo

"davedoughman" wrote:

> 1. Can PrintFixPro help me make B&W profiles for the Epson 2200? Used
> to tweak Epson 2400 B&W printing?

For the 2200 I would suggest using QTR and the supplied profiles but re-linearize the 
profiles using PrintFixPro for your specific printer. 

http://www.quadtonerip.com/html/QTRoverview.html

Your best bet for the 2400 would be to use QuadToneRip's "QTR-Create-ICC" tool to 
create an .icc profile to soft-proof and include that profile in the color management 
workflow of Advanced Black and White driver.

http://www.quadtonerip.com/html/QTRiccprofile.html

When I have some free time I'll write a tutorial on the above.

I'm just getting my feet wet with all of this and have been hammered with jobs these last 
couple days, so I haven't had time to work with PrintFix Pro as much as I would like.

Best,

John

Re: [colorvision_group] Re: New to Profileing - Very Pleased with PrintFixPro

2006-02-24 by david doughman

Thanks for you help. Looking forward to your turtorial

--- John Vitollo <jvlist@...> wrote:
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>  "davedoughman" wrote:
> 
> > 1. Can PrintFixPro help me make B&W profiles for
> the Epson 2200? Used
> > to tweak Epson 2400 B&W printing?
> 
> For the 2200 I would suggest using QTR and the
> supplied profiles but re-linearize the 
> profiles using PrintFixPro for your specific
> printer. 
> 
> http://www.quadtonerip.com/html/QTRoverview.html
> 
> Your best bet for the 2400 would be to use
> QuadToneRip's "QTR-Create-ICC" tool to 
> create an .icc profile to soft-proof and include
> that profile in the color management 
> workflow of Advanced Black and White driver.
> 
> http://www.quadtonerip.com/html/QTRiccprofile.html
> 
> When I have some free time I'll write a tutorial on
> the above.
> 
> I'm just getting my feet wet with all of this and
> have been hammered with jobs these last 
> couple days, so I haven't had time to work with
> PrintFix Pro as much as I would like.
> 
> Best,
> 
> John 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

Re: [colorvision_group] New to Profileing - Very Pleased with PrintFixPro

2006-02-24 by david doughman

Thanks you your excellent reply. I'm very pleased with
PrintFix Pro and looking forward to learning more. 

I was surprised to find that the 6 papers I have
profiled so far now produce prints that are so very
much alike. I was expecting to see more subtle
differences in tone due in the different paper
textures and coatings (Red River Dourian, Aurora, Hawk
Mt. Merlin & Condor, MOAB Kayenta & Entrada - which I
expected to be very similiar)

Dave
--- CDTobie@... wrote:
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> 
> In a message dated 2/23/06 3:58:28 PM,
> davedoughman@... writes:
> 
> 
> > 1. Can PrintFixPro help me make B&W profiles for
> the Epson 2200? 
> > 
> Yes, for printing B&W or tinted B&W via the color
> mode, using a custom ICC 
> profile for control. This will result in nice enough
> prints, but not as neutral 
> or low metamerism as you could get using the same
> process with the 2400.
> 
> 
> > Used
> > to tweak Epson 2400 B&W printing?
> > 
> Only if you are printing via the method above.
> Otherwise, all it can do for 
> you is allow you to take readings for building a
> preview profile via the QTR 
> stuff...
> > 
> > 2. I live in Utah and photograph the great parks
> here. 
> > 
> Right, as in Moab paper....
> 
> > Each park has a
> > slightly different color red rock. Some lean
> towards red/blue and
> > others towards red/brown. Is there a way to read a
> sample rock (I
> > would pick up in the parks) to determine it's
> color balance then I
> > should be able to set that color in Photoshop
> using the eye dropper.
> > 
> Life is not that simple. Rocks are influenced by the
> light color that shines 
> on them (warm sun, cool sky) reflections from other
> rocks, atmospheric 
> perspective   (from dust and humidity) etc... so a
> measurement from the stone is only 
> one factor in what the visual color in the image
> holds.
> 
> >  I
> > tried to read my GretagMacbeth Color Checker and
> found I could only
> > read in LAB not REB. LAB info is foreign to me and
> I don't know how to
> > use it for what I'd want to do
> > 
> Lab measures absolute color values. RGB is relative,
> and only has absolute 
> meaning when tied to Lab...
> > 
> > Any thoughts on the above would be appreciated.
> > 
> I've tossed some in, for what they're worth.
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision, Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
> >

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