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problem with cgs and serge not talking

2011-12-12 by derdoppledoppleganger

Hi everyone..
i hope someone can help me with this. I just got a cgs swamp panel. This is my first time using cgs designs, so it may be something i just don't understand, but it won't talk to my serge or modcan panels at all.
At first I thought it must be grounding because it had the quality when something isn't grounded, but i don't think that's it. I have tried at least 10 different ways to ground the panel, but it doesn't seem to be the problem.
whenever i plug in another cable, the voltage on all the other connected cables change, it's kind of boggling.
the panel seems fine, i can clock the programmer (i don't know enough about the gated comparator yet, this is my first crack at one), the logic works fine, etc. but it just seems to be a scramble of activity whenever the serge or modcan connects to it.
is it the difference in power supply (i'm using a blacet 15v supply)?
am i not understanding how to ground it to the rest of the system?

sorry for the long post, but if any serge + cgs users out there can help, i'd be really grateful..

thanks so much

Re: problem with cgs and serge not talking

2011-12-12 by cg_synth

It sounds like you don't understand the "grounding" issue.
What needs to be connected to each synth is the zero volt line of the power supply. Often the zero volt line is also connected to ground in a power supply - but not always.
I suspect this is one such case.

Ken
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--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, "derdoppledoppleganger" <rulingclass@...> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone..
> i hope someone can help me with this. I just got a cgs swamp panel. This is my first time using cgs designs, so it may be something i just don't understand, but it won't talk to my serge or modcan panels at all.
> At first I thought it must be grounding because it had the quality when something isn't grounded, but i don't think that's it. I have tried at least 10 different ways to ground the panel, but it doesn't seem to be the problem.
> whenever i plug in another cable, the voltage on all the other connected cables change, it's kind of boggling.
> the panel seems fine, i can clock the programmer (i don't know enough about the gated comparator yet, this is my first crack at one), the logic works fine, etc. but it just seems to be a scramble of activity whenever the serge or modcan connects to it.
> is it the difference in power supply (i'm using a blacet 15v supply)?
> am i not understanding how to ground it to the rest of the system?
>
> sorry for the long post, but if any serge + cgs users out there can help, i'd be really grateful..
>
> thanks so much
>

Re: problem with cgs and serge not talking

2011-12-12 by derdoppledoppleganger

Ken,
thank you so much...
problem is, I am in Japan, and there are no ground outlets here. the whole country is all 2 prong (and the east is 50hz). I have my whole serge, which is 16 panels, all grounded to the power supply, and that goes into the outlet, which is only 2 prong, but i've never had a problem with them. I also made a cord for the blacet so that the ground could also be grounded to the same serge ground line, but had no effect.
is there maybe another way?

thanks so much for your time...i hope to have fun with them soon, it's a fantatic set of modules.

best

jim

Re: problem with cgs and serge not talking

2011-12-12 by sasami@hotkey.net.au

I suspect that INSIDE the blacet supply the 0 volt line is not connected to
ground.
The connection to mains earth is unimportant. It is the 0 volt lines of all
the panels that must be linked. Using "ground" to do it is just a
convenient, but NOT foolproof way to do it.
Find the 0 volt line on the cgs panel (either of the middle two pins of any
power connector) and link that to the ground line of the serge.

Ken
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>Ken,
>thank you so much...
>problem is, I am in Japan, and there are no ground outlets here. the whole
country is all 2 prong (and the east is 50hz). I have my whole serge, which
is 16 panels, all grounded to the power supply, and that goes into the
outlet, which is only 2 prong, but i've never had a problem with them. I
also made a cord for the blacet so that the ground could also be grounded to
the same serge ground line, but had no effect.
>is there maybe another way?
>
>thanks so much for your time...i hope to have fun with them soon, it's a
fantatic set of modules.
>
>best
>
>jim
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
>Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
>
>
_______________________________________________________________________
Ken Stone sasami@... otherunicorn@...
Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.cgs.synth.net/>
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Re: problem with cgs and serge not talking

2011-12-12 by derdoppledoppleganger

Ken,
thanks so much! will try that out, thanks again, so much

jim
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--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, sasami@... wrote:
>
> I suspect that INSIDE the blacet supply the 0 volt line is not connected to
> ground.
> The connection to mains earth is unimportant. It is the 0 volt lines of all
> the panels that must be linked. Using "ground" to do it is just a
> convenient, but NOT foolproof way to do it.
> Find the 0 volt line on the cgs panel (either of the middle two pins of any
> power connector) and link that to the ground line of the serge.
>
> Ken
>
> >
> >Ken,
> >thank you so much...
> >problem is, I am in Japan, and there are no ground outlets here. the whole
> country is all 2 prong (and the east is 50hz). I have my whole serge, which
> is 16 panels, all grounded to the power supply, and that goes into the
> outlet, which is only 2 prong, but i've never had a problem with them. I
> also made a cord for the blacet so that the ground could also be grounded to
> the same serge ground line, but had no effect.
> >is there maybe another way?
> >
> >thanks so much for your time...i hope to have fun with them soon, it's a
> fantatic set of modules.
> >
> >best
> >
> >jim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------
> >
> >The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________________________________
> Ken Stone sasami@... otherunicorn@...
> Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.cgs.synth.net/>
> Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
>

Re: problem with cgs and serge not talking

2011-12-12 by derdoppledoppleganger

Ken,
thanks so much! that did the trick. there was no connection to the common on the inside of the blacet power supply,
all rockin!
thanks so much!

jim

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