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ht6000 question

2013-12-29 by david w

i have a casio ht 6000 here that until last month was working perfect, and now it just will not power on with an AC or batteries, and the only thing i can think of that i might have done is plugged it in with the wrong AC power adapter when i was re-arranging my set up , as i use several universal ones set to different polarities and volts. i dont even know where to start with this, i've called several local electronics repair guys (yea right) so maybe someone here can point me in the right direction as i dont even know how to go about testing this unit, or what to test for that matter....any help would be appreciated ,.....i really dont wanna throw this gem away.

also, i have taken apart the casing to see if anything was burnt or loose around the power plug in the back, looks fine to me......anyway, thanks in advance!!!

Re: [casiocollectors] ht6000 question

2013-12-29 by Tom Green

I recently fixed mine - had a cooked transistor. Pretty easy to spot as the area around it was all black. I don't think this keyboard has a voltage regulator inside like most equipment. I checked the AC adapter I used and it was putting out like 13.5V. I think that's what killed it.
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On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 4:20 PM, david w <therealdjdub@...> wrote:

i have a casio ht 6000 here that until last month was working perfect, and now it just will not power on with an AC or batteries, and the only thing i can think of that i might have done is plugged it in with the wrong AC power adapter when i was re-arranging my set up , as i use several universal ones set to different polarities and volts. i dont even know where to start with this, i've called several local electronics repair guys (yea right) so maybe someone here can point me in the right direction as i dont even know how to go about testing this unit, or what to test for that matter....any help would be appreciated ,.....i really dont wanna throw this gem away.

also, i have taken apart the casing to see if anything was burnt or loose around the power plug in the back, looks fine to me......anyway, thanks in advance!!!


Re: [casiocollectors] ht6000 question

2013-12-30 by david w

any type of test equipment i should or can buy? i dont even know what transistors, capacitors , resistors look like, and i didnt COMPLETELY take it apart...just enough so i could see the power plug, left all the pcb's intact just so i didnt screw anything else up....i also noticed a green wire coming from one of the boards and connected to the casing....is this some type of ground wire?, i noticed when i took the casing off that it had been pinched...almost smashed in between one of the screw holes, could that be an issue? guess i could always send pics.. forgive me for my lack of terminology im by no means an electronics guy, ..maybe i should look into learning , bein into synths and elec. instruments :)




On Sunday, December 29, 2013 4:36 PM, Tom Green <xman143@...> wrote:
 
  
I recently fixed mine - had a cooked transistor.  Pretty easy to spot as the area around it was all black.  I don't think this keyboard has a voltage regulator inside like most equipment.  I checked the AC adapter I used and it was putting out like 13.5V.  I think that's what killed it.
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On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 4:20 PM, david w <therealdjdub@...> wrote:

 
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>i have a casio ht 6000 here that until last month was working perfect, and now it just will not power on with an AC or batteries, and the only thing i can think of that i might have done is plugged it in with the wrong AC power adapter when i was re-arranging my set up , as i use several universal ones set to different polarities and volts. i dont even know where to start with this, i've called several local electronics repair guys (yea right) so maybe someone here can point me in the right direction as i dont even know how to go about testing this unit, or what to test for that matter....any help would be appreciated ,.....i really dont wanna throw this gem away.
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>also, i have taken apart the casing to see if anything was burnt or loose around the power plug in the back, looks fine to me......anyway, thanks in advance!!!
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Re: [casiocollectors] ht6000 question

2013-12-30 by Tom Green

Well David, the first thing you're going to need to know, is how to solder and de-solder. Without those skills you're not going to be able to fix much of anything. If you're serious about this, it's going to require that you invest a considerable amount of time, and some money, to get started. I'd recommend getting yourself a good soldering iron and a multi-meter to begin with. There are lots of online resources for learning to solder - YouTube is a good one.

I can help you locate the transistor that was fried on mine - and if that's also the problem with yours, it'll require that you replace it with a new transistor (de-solder and solder skills). If that's NOT your problem, then it's going to be more involved to find out what is.

I hate to say it, but you might be better off taking it to a repair person...

-Tom
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On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 2:23 PM, david w <therealdjdub@...> wrote:

any type of test equipment i should or can buy? i dont even know what transistors, capacitors , resistors look like, and i didnt COMPLETELY take it apart...just enough so i could see the power plug, left all the pcb's intact just so i didnt screw anything else up....i also noticed a green wire coming from one of the boards and connected to the casing....is this some type of ground wire?, i noticed when i took the casing off that it had been pinched...almost smashed in between one of the screw holes, could that be an issue? guess i could always send pics.. forgive me for my lack of terminology im by no means an electronics guy, ..maybe i should look into learning , bein into synths and elec. instruments :)


On Sunday, December 29, 2013 4:36 PM, Tom Green <xman143@...> wrote:
I recently fixed mine - had a cooked transistor. Pretty easy to spot as the area around it was all black. I don't think this keyboard has a voltage regulator inside like most equipment. I checked the AC adapter I used and it was putting out like 13.5V. I think that's what killed it.


On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 4:20 PM, david w <therealdjdub@...> wrote:
i have a casio ht 6000 here that until last month was working perfect, and now it just will not power on with an AC or batteries, and the only thing i can think of that i might have done is plugged it in with the wrong AC power adapter when i was re-arranging my set up , as i use several universal ones set to different polarities and volts. i dont even know where to start with this, i've called several local electronics repair guys (yea right) so maybe someone here can point me in the right direction as i dont even know how to go about testing this unit, or what to test for that matter....any help would be appreciated ,.....i really dont wanna throw this gem away.

also, i have taken apart the casing to see if anything was burnt or loose around the power plug in the back, looks fine to me......anyway, thanks in advance!!!




Re: [casiocollectors] ht6000 question

2013-12-31 by david w

yea my problem with repair guys is the ones i've called act like its somethin that they have no knowledge on being that its music gear, i keep gettin told "i dont know anything about keyboards" or "thats not somethin i do" ????? i thought electronics repair was electronics repair all the same, guess not though......so if my problem ISNT the transistor, would a multi meter have to be used to test every little capacitor resistor etc, do i need to test this while plugged in even though im gettin no power, and if so, do i neet a static mat?, and i guess my last question would be, what if its the power plug on the unit?, if thats the problem would it be burnt up or anything like that, any way to test that?....oh also what would be the best soldering iron to grab........i think i have a 15 watt one layin around, but last time i used it it didnt seem to get hot enough, used it to re-solder rca cables on a turntable, and it was a nightmare, so maybe i have a
 P.O.S solder gun...............anyway thanks for the help so far.....really dont wanna throw my ht away :(





On Monday, December 30, 2013 1:56 PM, Tom Green <xman143@...> wrote:
 
  
Well David, the first thing you're going to need to know, is how to solder and de-solder.  Without those skills you're not going to be able to fix much of anything.  If you're serious about this, it's going to require that you invest a considerable amount of time, and some money, to get started.  I'd recommend getting yourself a good soldering iron and a multi-meter to begin with.  There are lots of online resources for learning to solder - YouTube is a good one.

I can help you locate the transistor that was fried on mine - and if that's also the problem with yours, it'll require that you replace it with a new transistor (de-solder and solder skills).  If that's NOT your problem, then it's going to be more involved to find out what is.

I hate to say it, but you might be better off taking it to a repair person...

-Tom
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On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 2:23 PM, david w <therealdjdub@...> wrote:

 
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>any type of test equipment i should or can buy? i dont even know what transistors, capacitors , resistors look like, and i didnt COMPLETELY take it apart...just enough so i could see the power plug, left all the pcb's intact just so i didnt screw anything else up....i also noticed a green wire coming from one of the boards and connected to the casing....is this some type of ground wire?, i noticed when i took the casing off that it had been pinched...almost smashed in between one of the screw holes, could that be an issue? guess i could always send pics.. forgive me for my lack of terminology im by no means an electronics guy, ..maybe i should look into learning , bein into synths and elec. instruments :)
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>On Sunday, December 29, 2013 4:36 PM, Tom Green <xman143@...> wrote:
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>I recently fixed mine - had a cooked transistor.  Pretty easy to spot as the area around it was all black.  I don't think this keyboard has a voltage regulator inside like most equipment.  I checked the AC adapter I used and it was putting out like 13.5V.  I think that's what killed it.
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>On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 4:20 PM, david w <therealdjdub@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>i have a casio ht 6000 here that until last month was working perfect, and now it just will not power on with an AC or batteries, and the only thing i can think of that i might have done is plugged it in with the wrong AC power adapter when i was re-arranging my set up , as i use several universal ones set to different polarities and volts. i dont even know where to start with this, i've called several local electronics repair guys (yea right) so maybe someone here can point me in the right direction as i dont even know how to go about testing this unit, or what to test for that matter....any help would be appreciated ,.....i really dont wanna throw this gem away.
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>>also, i have taken apart the casing to see if anything was burnt or loose around the power plug in the back, looks fine to me......anyway, thanks in advance!!!
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Re: [casiocollectors] ht6000 question

2013-12-31 by david w

oh! and yes if you could show me which transistor blew on yours that might help a little....thanks again i really appreciate it






On Monday, December 30, 2013 1:56 PM, Tom Green <xman143@...> wrote:
 
  
Well David, the first thing you're going to need to know, is how to solder and de-solder.  Without those skills you're not going to be able to fix much of anything.  If you're serious about this, it's going to require that you invest a considerable amount of time, and some money, to get started.  I'd recommend getting yourself a good soldering iron and a multi-meter to begin with.  There are lots of online resources for learning to solder - YouTube is a good one.

I can help you locate the transistor that was fried on mine - and if that's also the problem with yours, it'll require that you replace it with a new transistor (de-solder and solder skills).  If that's NOT your problem, then it's going to be more involved to find out what is.

I hate to say it, but you might be better off taking it to a repair person...

-Tom
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On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 2:23 PM, david w <therealdjdub@...> wrote:

 
>  
>any type of test equipment i should or can buy? i dont even know what transistors, capacitors , resistors look like, and i didnt COMPLETELY take it apart...just enough so i could see the power plug, left all the pcb's intact just so i didnt screw anything else up....i also noticed a green wire coming from one of the boards and connected to the casing....is this some type of ground wire?, i noticed when i took the casing off that it had been pinched...almost smashed in between one of the screw holes, could that be an issue? guess i could always send pics.. forgive me for my lack of terminology im by no means an electronics guy, ..maybe i should look into learning , bein into synths and elec. instruments :)
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>On Sunday, December 29, 2013 4:36 PM, Tom Green <xman143@gmail.com> wrote:
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>I recently fixed mine - had a cooked transistor.  Pretty easy to spot as the area around it was all black.  I don't think this keyboard has a voltage regulator inside like most equipment.  I checked the AC adapter I used and it was putting out like 13.5V.  I think that's what killed it.
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>On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 4:20 PM, david w <therealdjdub@...> wrote:
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>>i have a casio ht 6000 here that until last month was working perfect, and now it just will not power on with an AC or batteries, and the only thing i can think of that i might have done is plugged it in with the wrong AC power adapter when i was re-arranging my set up , as i use several universal ones set to different polarities and volts. i dont even know where to start with this, i've called several local electronics repair guys (yea right) so maybe someone here can point me in the right direction as i dont even know how to go about testing this unit, or what to test for that matter....any help would be appreciated ,.....i really dont wanna throw this gem away.
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>>also, i have taken apart the casing to see if anything was burnt or loose around the power plug in the back, looks fine to me......anyway, thanks in advance!!!
>>
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Re: [casiocollectors] ht6000 question

2014-01-02 by Tom Green

Well, a "good" electronics repair person should be able to fix anything. Basically, they don't want to be bothered.

The first thing I would do is check for voltage. Use the multi-meter on "DC voltage" setting. Check your AC adapter first, to make sure it's putting out the required 9V with the correct polarity (I think it's center pin = negative). DO NOT USE ANYTHING HIGHER! Next, plug it in and start checking the connections inside the unit to see where you have voltage and where you don't. OR, use battery power and do the same thing (= safer). Tracking down the voltage will probably lead you to the problem. Don't worry about testing the capacitors, resistors, etc. yet. You can't really test components properly unless you remove them from the circuit. No, you don't need a static mat.

If the power plug was the problem, it would most likely still work ok on batteries. Again, you test for voltage at the power plug contacts inside the unit, then follow the traces. If you're getting voltage in there, the plug connection is ok.

You may be able to use your 15W soldering iron. For small components like the transistor, you don't want much heat at all - too much will fry it. (The RCA cables you were trying to solder were probably much thicker wire and required more heat.) The other thing is, you want a small tip on the iron to do fine work. Ideally, you want an adjustable temperature Solder Station with an iron that has a variety of replaceable tips. I have the Weller WES51 (<http://www.amazon.com/Weller-WES51-Analog-Soldering-Station/dp/B000BRC2XU>). Pricey, but again, it depends on how much you plan on using it in the future. This puppy will last a lifetime. There are many, many shapes and sizes of tips available for it.

I also recommend an Edysn Soldapullt for de-soldering work: <http://www.edsyn.com/index.php?Mode=piw&pn=DS017>. Another GREAT tool.

As far as WHERE my burnt transistor was... unfortunately, it's been a while since I had my HT6000 apart, and I'm not able do do it again right now... BUT, I did write up a little something when I did it. Here's what I have (see below). I don't remember if I actually took any photos or not, but I'll look around and see. Hope this is somewhat helpful:


CASIO HT6000 Disassembly

Looking down into the bottom of the Keyboard, keys away from you, "Casio" logo facing you but upside down:

1. Remove all of the screws in the bottom piece. Before removing the bottom completely from the keyboard, you'll need to unsolder the white-sleeved ground wire from the board on the left, near the screw, AND unsolder the 2 white-sleeved battery wires from the board on the right - Left is RED, Right is BLACK. Remove the zip tie through the hole in the board securing the wires.

You'll also need to unscrew the Card Reader, so it's loose.

2. Disconnect the gray ribbon cable connector from the left side of the left top board. Remember, or write down, how the cable runs underneath, so you can put it back correctly.

Remove the 6 screws in the right board - Mark or remember that the larger one goes into the plastic riser post.

Remove the 6 screws in the left board - Mark or remember that the 3 larger ones go into the plastic riser posts.

Move the 2 top boards out of the way.

3. Unscrew and move the 3 Keyswitch boards out of the way: There are 12 screws in the left board, 6 screws in the middle board, and 10 screws in the right board. Remove them all.

4. Remove the 9 screws in the 'Output board' and move it out of the way.

5. Remove the 5 screws thru the 'Foil board,' which is covering the 'Power board,' and remove the 'Foil board'.

6. Remove the remaining 6 screws in the 'Power board'. There are slider controls that go thru the keyboard body on the left side - remove those knobs, and then you can lift up the 'Power board'.

7. The transistor which burned out on mine is on the right-side of the board. It's a very small black vertical rectangular piece with 3 legs (connections). It says "B1117" on it. The board was black all around it in a circular pattern where the heat burned it.




Good luck! Let me know if you need more help. If you send photos of your progress, maybe I can help guide you.


-Tom



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On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 12:13 PM, david w <therealdjdub@...> wrote:

yea my problem with repair guys is the ones i've called act like its somethin that they have no knowledge on being that its music gear, i keep gettin told "i dont know anything about keyboards" or "thats not somethin i do" ????? i thought electronics repair was electronics repair all the same, guess not though......so if my problem ISNT the transistor, would a multi meter have to be used to test every little capacitor resistor etc, do i need to test this while plugged in even though im gettin no power, and if so, do i neet a static mat?, and i guess my last question would be, what if its the power plug on the unit?, if thats the problem would it be burnt up or anything like that, any way to test that?....oh also what would be the best soldering iron to grab........i think i have a 15 watt one layin around, but last time i used it it didnt seem to get hot enough, used it to re-solder rca cables on a turntable, and it was a nightmare, so maybe i have a P.O.S solder gun...............anyway thanks for the help so far.....really dont wanna throw my ht away :(



Re: [casiocollectors] ht6000 question

2014-01-07 by david w

thank you for the info! i really appreciate that, and as soon as i get the time to sit and pull everything apart, and grab a tester and iron, i will definitely take pics, might even bug you with a few more questions if you wouldnt mind....thank you again and hopefully i can fix this guy as i really do not wanna throw it away





On Thursday, January 2, 2014 2:45 PM, Tom Green <xman143@...> wrote:
 
  
Here's a picture of the B1117 transistor:  <http://www.datasheetarchive.com/photos/45.html>  It's near the bottom of the page, labeled "2SB1117".

That's what you're looking for.  If it's fried, it'll be all black and crumbly, maybe split or bubbled.  You'll know.   ;-)

-Tom

Re: [casiocollectors] ht6000 question

2014-01-07 by Tom Green

NO, don't throw it away whatever you do! Even if you can't fix it, you can still sell it on eBay as 'for parts or repair' and probably get $60 or more.

I have a good feeling that maybe your problem is the same one I had. I think you mentioned in your original post that you might have inadvertently used the wrong AC adapter(?). I think that's exactly what I did. I measured the voltage of the AC adapter that I had plugged into my unit when it died (a generic one) and it turned out to be like 13.5 volts, instead of the required 9 v. Normally this isn't a problem with most things, as they have voltage regulators built in which compensate. I didn't see a voltage regulator in my HT6000, so I theorize that the B1117 transistor fried because of it. I'm thinking this might be exactly what happened to you too. I'm thinking of adding a voltage regulator to mine, next time I'm able to get it apart, so this doesn't happen again. If I do, I'll write up a 'how to'.

Anyway, let me know what you find out when you get into it. I'm very curious if I'm correct. And of course let me know if I can be of any more help along the way.

-Tom

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On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 2:24 PM, david w <therealdjdub@...> wrote:

thank you for the info! i really appreciate that, and as soon as i get the time to sit and pull everything apart, and grab a tester and iron, i will definitely take pics, might even bug you with a few more questions if you wouldnt mind....thank you again and hopefully i can fix this guy as i really do not wanna throw it away



On Thursday, January 2, 2014 2:45 PM, Tom Green <xman143@...> wrote:
Here's a picture of the B1117 transistor: <http://www.datasheetarchive.com/photos/45.html> It's near the bottom of the page, labeled "2SB1117".

That's what you're looking for. If it's fried, it'll be all black and crumbly, maybe split or bubbled. You'll know. ;-)

-Tom



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