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Just wondering how you folks utilize your modular systems.  Do you 
patch stuff up for autocompositional fun and just let it blurp and 
beep?

I'm more of an industrial progressive rocker kind of guy and think of 
my modular like several monosynths.  I also use it to make drones and 
other bed tracks.  It's always fun to sample sequences and chop out 
the better parts for loops and whatnot.

John

--- In The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jpyyz@...> wrote:

> Just wondering how you folks utilize your modular systems.  Do you 
> patch stuff up for autocompositional fun and just let it blurp and 
> beep? I'm more of an industrial progressive rocker kind of guy and 
> think of  my modular like several monosynths.  I also use it to make
 > drones and other bed tracks.  It's always fun to sample sequences
and > chop out the better parts for loops and whatnot.

I do a bit of everything. I often "play" a modular live as one take
and then multitrack that playing other synths (or more modular lines)
over it. I also mix and match modulars (Arp 2600, SynthiA, Frac
System, etc)on separate tracks as needed.

I also started in synthesis doing Industrial type stuff multitracking
guitars, bass, drummachine, and "other" which is where the synths and
samples come in. 

The Cyndustries modular I now have has really opened my view of
digital recording. I do tend to patch it up and twiddle and twirl with
some hands on/some auto composition and I capture various takes to
harddrive as WAV files. Then I reassemble those in Acid or sometimes
use smaller segments or sounds as samples with my trusty ASR10 the
"old fashioned" way.

I have yet to do a live set with the Cyndustries, not sure I would
given it's size and complexity (plus I am too attached to it right now
to let it be abused in a live context LOL). I have done live shows
with various modulars as part of  hard spacerock type bands (think
Acid Mother's Temple, etc). In that context I basically set up a patch
and literally have cues and "play" it live making certain sounds at
certain moments in a song. Truth be told after taking  priceless
instruments out to sweaty rock clubs for years I more often than not
use a nord modular for such gigs now but if it's a show where I can
control the environment a bit more I do bring out the "good stuff" now
and then.

D_

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Hi All,
first, I've to do further investigations (i.e. testing the other two 
ZOs) but this question upfront:

I hooked up my first ZO (the other two are still in the box) and while 
playing around I noticed an audible jitter on the pulse/square output.

I'll have to see that on my scope but has anyone experienced such a 
thing? The other waveforms seem to be stable.
Further testing follows later today ...

   Thanks, Michael.

Hi Michael -

Perhaps you could describe how you have it patched?  And what do you
mean by jitter?  Is it more like freq jitter or PWM jitter or
something else?  

I haven't noticed it in mine and I have patched it like a standard
VCO...but then again, as Morbius has pointed out, you can patch this
thing a thousand ways from Sunday with interesting results!

MIke

--- In The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Zacherl,
Vienna/Austria" <egroups@...> wrote:

>
> Hi All,
> first, I've to do further investigations (i.e. testing the other two 
> ZOs) but this question upfront:
> 
> I hooked up my first ZO (the other two are still in the box) and while 
> playing around I noticed an audible jitter on the pulse/square output.
> 
> I'll have to see that on my scope but has anyone experienced such a 
> thing? The other waveforms seem to be stable.
> Further testing follows later today ...
> 
>    Thanks, Michael.
>

Hi Morbius, Mike, Cynthia & All!

I'm sorry, it was dumb that I didn't provide any further information 
about the configuration.
To me it was that clear and simple that I just didn't think of it - 
sorry. :-(

The only patch cable I put on the ZO was the pulse out to a LP-filter.
Nothing else.
By "playing around" I ment flicking switches, turning knobs etc. and 
check what changes while doing that.

The jitter is a frequency jitter, I'm pretty sure. It sounds like if you 
apply a deeply filtered noise at a very low level to the exp-input of a VCO.
It's better audible at lower frequencies (~200-500Hz) and basically not 
very strong.
I thought of a bad cable, a loose connection and tried others - no luck.
The other waveforms are stable (checked with the same cable and filter, 
just plugged into the other sockets on the ZO).

So far I didn't set up my scope and counter to check this (will do this 
on the weekend) nor I found time to check the other two ZOs (also doing 
this WE).

I went through the manual even before I purchased the ZOs as part of the 
decision making process and I'm looking it up quite often. Sometimes I 
wish there would be more detail - like what's the best input signal 
range to bring the the FM-index input to full effect? At least I didn't 
get a clue from that what I could read.

Yesterday I used the ZO in the rehearsal the first time and I'm pleased.
I was doing pretty noisy stuff (like I was asked to do so) and smoothing 
the sound later on and get rich varying timbres was a breeze. I started 
to love it. Of course I was not even scratching the surface and I've to 
really explore the ZO and investigate it's functions and ranges.

So far there is one thing I'm sorry about: The morphed signals don't 
deliver nice transients when set to squarish waveform in LFO-mode.
I played around and alternatively feed the pulse out and one of the 
morphed out to a LP-filter with high Q so that it rings when pulsed and 
there's clearly a difference (the pulse is much sharper).
But I'm sure that's a matter of principle as how the morph circuitry works.

I'm really looking forward to all the new things I can pull out of it.
Now I've to put more pressure on the cabinet maker that I get my new box 
soon so that I can fit the other ZOs as well. ;-)

   Thanks, Michael. (still w/o Internet @home)



Am 2006-08-02 18:11, ~Morbius~ schrieb:

 >
> I am far from being a qualified e-tech... but I can tell you this:
> The ZO is unlike any other oscillator... and in many ways, does not 
> always behave like your regular, run-of-the-mill osc. The range is way 
> beyond anything else, for one thing.
 >

Am 2006-08-02 20:07, Mike Marsh schrieb:

 >
 > Perhaps you could describe how you have it patched?  And what do you
 > mean by jitter?  Is it more like freq jitter or PWM jitter or
 > something else?

Howdy Michael!

The nomenclature or waveform icons surrounding the knob
are in convenient places for the panel art only, if you look
with a scope at the MORPH Outs, or at least experiment
with the knob setting a little more, you should find a spot where
the transients are sharp enough to pop an envelope, or whatever
action you wanted the transient to make.  (Not knowing what
type of circuitry it was being fed to, it's kind of hard to know).

The actual "square" part of the waveform doesn't occur at the
place in the arc of the knob graphics depicting where the square
wave out to be, so hopefully it will just happen for you at another
location in the rotation.

Hope this helps ya!

Cynthia


Michael Zacherl, Vienna/Austria wrote:

> Hi Morbius, Mike, Cynthia & All!
>
> I'm sorry, it was dumb that I didn't provide any further information
> about the configuration.
> To me it was that clear and simple that I just didn't think of it -
> sorry. :-(
>
> The only patch cable I put on the ZO was the pulse out to a LP-filter.
> Nothing else.
> By "playing around" I ment flicking switches, turning knobs etc. and
> check what changes while doing that.
>
> The jitter is a frequency jitter, I'm pretty sure. It sounds like if you
> apply a deeply filtered noise at a very low level to the exp-input of 
> a VCO.
> It's better audible at lower frequencies (~200-500Hz) and basically not
> very strong.
> I thought of a bad cable, a loose connection and tried others - no luck.
> The other waveforms are stable (checked with the same cable and filter,
> just plugged into the other sockets on the ZO).
>
> So far I didn't set up my scope and counter to check this (will do this
> on the weekend) nor I found time to check the other two ZOs (also doing
> this WE).
>
> I went through the manual even before I purchased the ZOs as part of the
> decision making process and I'm looking it up quite often. Sometimes I
> wish there would be more detail - like what's the best input signal
> range to bring the the FM-index input to full effect? At least I didn't
> get a clue from that what I could read.
>
> Yesterday I used the ZO in the rehearsal the first time and I'm pleased.
> I was doing pretty noisy stuff (like I was asked to do so) and smoothing
> the sound later on and get rich varying timbres was a breeze. I started
> to love it. Of course I was not even scratching the surface and I've to
> really explore the ZO and investigate it's functions and ranges.
>
> So far there is one thing I'm sorry about: The morphed signals don't
> deliver nice transients when set to squarish waveform in LFO-mode.
> I played around and alternatively feed the pulse out and one of the
> morphed out to a LP-filter with high Q so that it rings when pulsed and
> there's clearly a difference (the pulse is much sharper).
> But I'm sure that's a matter of principle as how the morph circuitry 
> works.
>
> I'm really looking forward to all the new things I can pull out of it.
> Now I've to put more pressure on the cabinet maker that I get my new box
> soon so that I can fit the other ZOs as well. ;-)
>
> Thanks, Michael. (still w/o Internet @home)
>
> Am 2006-08-02 18:11, ~Morbius~ schrieb:
>
> >
> > I am far from being a qualified e-tech... but I can tell you this:
> > The ZO is unlike any other oscillator... and in many ways, does not
> > always behave like your regular, run-of-the-mill osc. The range is way
> > beyond anything else, for one thing.
> >
>
> Am 2006-08-02 20:07, Mike Marsh schrieb:
> >
> > Perhaps you could describe how you have it patched? And what do you
> > mean by jitter? Is it more like freq jitter or PWM jitter or
> > something else?
>
>

I measured my ZO with a five digit frequency counter and see no appreciable
jitter from 50-200 Hertz.

John Loffink
The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
http://www.wavemakers-synth.com

> Michael Zacherl, Vienna/Austria wrote:
> 
> > Hi Morbius, Mike, Cynthia & All!
> >
> >
> > The only patch cable I put on the ZO was the pulse out to a LP-filter.
> > Nothing else.
> > By "playing around" I ment flicking switches, turning knobs etc. and
> > check what changes while doing that.
> >
> > The jitter is a frequency jitter, I'm pretty sure. It sounds like if you
> > apply a deeply filtered noise at a very low level to the exp-input of
> > a VCO.
> > It's better audible at lower frequencies (~200-500Hz) and basically not
> > very strong.
> > I thought of a bad cable, a loose connection and tried others - no luck.
> > The other waveforms are stable (checked with the same cable and filter,
> > just plugged into the other sockets on the ZO).
> >
>

On 04.08.2006 20:46 Uhr, Cynthia Webster wrote:
> Howdy Michael!
> 
> The nomenclature or waveform icons surrounding the knob
> are in convenient places for the panel art only, if you look
> with a scope at the MORPH Outs, or at least experiment
> with the knob setting a little more, you should find a spot where
> the transients are sharp enough to pop an envelope, or whatever
> action you wanted the transient to make.  (Not knowing what
> type of circuitry it was being fed to, it's kind of hard to know).
> 
> The actual "square" part of the waveform doesn't occur at the
> place in the arc of the knob graphics depicting where the square
> wave out to be, so hopefully it will just happen for you at another
> location in the rotation.
> 
> Hope this helps ya!

yup - thanks Cynthia, this is useful information.

    Michael.