Vintage Simmons Drums (UK) Users Group

Hi list,

this list is mainly about the drums, not copyrights. And I too know 
about the hassle of finding old schematics. I try to get schematic for 
all machines I own 'cause sooner or later I need them. But I rarely sell 
(unless some moron offer me a lot of cash for a schematic without asking 
to get it for free first :) It has happened).

Anyway, I share if I'm met in a friendly manner and I have stuff in 
digital form. I don't if it's the opposite or if I get the feeling that 
the guy at the other end is just there to exploit it. I gladly trade for 
other stuff I need - this is best for both parties.

To answer your Q: If Fabio asked you to keep it to yourself. Please do. 
If he said he was glad to share - be glad to share. That's basically how 
I see things.

What we don't need on this mostly friendly list is harrassment and 
ignorance.

To sum it up - I have very few schematics for Simmons gear, and all I 
have I think is already online. If not - please ask.

keep banging those hexaheads!

-- 
electronically yours, jesper

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Michael Buchner skrev 2012-02-02 14:17:
> Hello list,
>
> I was several times asking the list for the SDS6 CPU schematics sheet (
> I had all other ones). Nobody was willing to share it. Some days ago,
> Fabio payed a lot of money to complete the SDS6 schematics. He cleaned
> them with photoshop and shared them with me immediately FREE.
>
> So, several questions occur and please think about them:
>
> First: The CPU sheet was available all the time but the owners were not
> willing to share. I know at least two people who had the sheet and
> did'nt react to my "plea". Why did they hold it back? And why can you
> get it if you pay?
>
> Second: How shall I behave in the future? I always help people with
> advice, manuals and schematics FREE. But in this case: If anybody is
> asking for SDS6 schematics, shall I give these for free although Fabio
> payed a lot of money for the CPU sheet? Or charge a little money to give
> Fabio something back? Funny, isn't it?
>
> Best
>
> Michael
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jesper
> To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 10:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: Schematics / service manuals I'm
> looking for....Help
>
> I meant Wolfgang, not Michael. My bad. Anyway, Paul has a site:
> www.simmons.synth.net with manuals that sometimes appear for sale
> online. Wolfgang runs http://simmonsmuseum.com/?area=manuals which
> contains a lot too.
>
> --
> electronically yours, jesper
>
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>
> fabiobarker skrev 2012-02-02 00:07:
>  > Paul and Michael website? which website?
>  > I agree with you about people selling schematics/manuals
>  >
>  > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com>
>  > <mailto:Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com>, jesper <jesper@...> wrote:
>  > >
>  > > Hi,
>  > >
>  > > So now we're back in a discussion I don't really want to have, but I
>  > > don't want to be a fascist moderator either. I think many
>  > > misunderstandings on this list is due to the fact that we have very
>  > > different backgrounds as far as languages go... (Patiently awaiting
>  > > offline abuse...)
>  > >
>  > > Anyway - I love, as a collector/service guy of my own gear, if people
>  > > share and upload schematics. I think those who sell copies for profit
>  > > are mostly crooks.
>  > >
>  > > My post below was regarding people selling copies that is available for
>  > > free on Paul's and Michael's sites. Same goes for eprom sounds on Ebay
>  > > and similar.
>  > >
>  > > So Fabio, it was not to harrass you.
>  > >
>  > > Pax,
>  > > --
>  > > electronically yours, jesper
>  > >
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>  > >
>  > >
>  > > fabiobarker skrev 2012-02-01 15:58:
>  > > > If I got the schematics is because I paid for it but...who will claim
>  > > > copyright for the schematics? Simmons didn't have the power to
> keep the
>  > > > Name but will claim the schematics copyright?
>  > > > I think is the anally retentive nature of gear collectors, there are
>  > > > exception obviously not everybody is an idiot keeping everything to
>  > > > himself or trying to charge an abussive price for a single Simmons
>  > part.
>  > > > But it's ok I will pretend I believe you and I will keep all to
> myself
>  > > > to allow to the same people to keep geting profit with Simmons stuff.
>  > > >
>  > > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com>
>  > <mailto:Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com>
>  > > > <mailto:Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com>, jesper <jesper@> wrote:
>  > > > >
>  > > > > Just to be clear: I believe that the issue of sharing wasn't
> the main
>  > > > > concern. Selling copyrighted stuff, uploading someoneelse's
> scans and
>  > > > > similar without giving credit was though.
>  > > > > I know many here would appreciate links to schematics and
> manuals not
>  > > > > already out there. But putting them in the yahoogroups database
> might
>  > > > > not be that good. There is not that much space and yahoogroups do
>  > need
>  > > > > to listen when Big Brother comes waving his SOPA-banner....
>  > > > >
>  > > > > Just my thoughts,
>  > > > >
>  > > > > --
>  > > > > electronically yours, jesper
>  > > > >
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