SergeModular

> Sebastian.....and others,
> very interesting posts about the Serge filters and your thoughts on

> Wiard system. If I might add a couple of simplistic points...
> I see what you are saying about the Serge filter characteristics but
> wouldn't it make sense to offer a 'fatter' filter for those times

> want to patch a VCO, VCF, VCA type sound.

> the filters it was really in the context of the Serge being so

> every other way.
> Comparing Wiard to Serge (and my only experience of Wiard is online

> speak), the beauty of Serge is that anyone with a little modular

> can put together very simple patches straight away. The Wiard just

> complicated to me. I want to be able to see where to stick my

> a simple patch going without having to figure out new terms like

> or envolator.
> Finally, sometimes I find the more complex a patch and the more

> modulation I employ the more the sound disappears up it's own arse.
> The great thing about Serge and why I would always recommend it is

> can be so simple and yet so deep.
> CW

> > I wonder if anyone buys Serge gear to patch it like any other
> > synth ?
> Yes!
> And due to the investment required there might not be any cash left

> another synth.

>
> > I think Serge , EMS , Buchla ,Wiard etc. all employ & embody a
> > distinct personallity. sometimes expecting them to be jack of all
> > trades , is knoiwing they'll be master of none . ?????



> Serge is so good I don't think it is too much to ask.

> I enjoy using it so much I virtually use it for everything and

> have to base every composition around the esoteric qualities alone.
> It doesn't seem to me that difficult or expensive to introduce a

> sounding filter. Nobody has accused Wiard or Fenix of pandering to

> sound.

> It comes up so often I guess the filter issue is now quite tedious.
> On the other hand it seems to be (apart from prices) the

> anyone ever expresses about the system.

> I agree with those who point to everything else a Serge can do but

> always possible to have thousands of dollars tied up in a cutting

> electronic sound machine. For the want of another filter it would

> to create run of the mill sounds as well.

> Why not? It's evident that Malcolm Cecil patched some simple sounds
> occasionally on Tonto.....even using the odd Moog filter.

> CW

> > You have aq fenix ? whats the problem ?
> Just having a debate mate!!!!
> The whole thing came out of Bill's request for info on a 'first

> I'm not the one who has questioned the Serge filters, criticism has

> up now and again (more often on Analogue Heaven).
> Call me devil's advocate, my only point being:
> Why not debate another Serge filter, unless you think the system

> on it's laurels and never develop. It doesn't have to be 'cliched

> drivel' either.

>
> >>> I think Serge , EMS , Buchla ,Wiard etc. all employ & embody a
> >>> distinct personallity. sometimes expecting them to be jack of

> >>> trades , is knowing they'll be master of none . ?????
>
> >> Serge is so good I don't think it is too much to ask.
> >
> > I dont follow this logic....why should it be a carthorse &
> > racehorse ...why a Bentley & a mini-cooper ?
>
>
> I DO follow this logic - I think Chris is saying that he personally

> like something as high quality as Serge to do what most other high

> 'products' do: they do the simple things extremely well.
>
> It's not something I am particularly bothered about - I like the

> nature of the Serge - but the logic is quite simple.

>
>
> >> I enjoy using it so much I virtually use it for everything and
> > would hate to
> >> have to base every composition around the esoteric qualities

> >> It doesn't seem to me that difficult or expensive to introduce a
> > different
> >> sounding filter. Nobody has accused Wiard or Fenix of pandering

> > the Moog
> >> sound.
>
>
> I've said this before but its worth repeating - I'm glad the Serge

> have a 'moog-style' filter... I like synths to have their own

> character. My synths all have strong personalities that differ

> each other - but then I am lucky enough to afford a Serge + other

>
> Impressed as I am by the recording I'm now listening to

> Butterflies') composed exclusively on a Buchla system, I could not

> with just a Serge for my purposes. Admittedly I do use the Audio

> Minimoog a lot for the Moog-filter sound but I still like my Serge

>
>
> > The Fenix sounds nothing like Moog stuff . The filters are all
> > differant to Moog standard.
>
>
> I don't think Chris was saying the Fenix does sound like Moog stuff.
>
>
> >> It comes up so often I guess the filter issue is now quite

> >> On the other hand it seems to be (apart from prices) the
> > only 'weakness'
> >> anyone ever expresses about the system.

>
>
> Chris - talking of 'weaknesses' I still think the

> having to buy an entire panel at a time rather than individual

>
>
> > I find the filters to be versatile & usefull in ways an Oscar
> > (i.m.o. -better than the moog........) or other synths cannot

> > you cant have your cake & eat it....
>
>
> Well, I'm not going to say one filter type or synth is 'better'

> but I do think the Serge filter is incredibly useful in 'trigger'

> haven't ever had the chance to hear the 'percussion' mode on the

> multimode filter or any other ringing filters - anybody like to

> any differences between the models using this particular feature??

>
> Is a ringing filter a ringing filter? or does the Serge VCFQ have a

> range of perc sounds, etc, etc??
>
> >> I agree with those who point to everything else a Serge can do

> > it's not
> >> always possible to have thousands of dollars tied up in a cutting
> > edge,
> >> electronic sound machine. For the want of another filter it would
> > be easier
> >> to create run of the mill sounds as well.
>
> > Run of the mill ? you said it . Serge have very wisely I.M.O.

> > all the cliched moog/tb303 drivel .
>
> Surely most cliched music is drivel regardless of whether a Moog or

> was used?

> pointless. I love both these instruments in certain circumstances..

>
> > I dont think history will be as
> > kind to Moog as he would have peeple beleeve.....I.M.O.
>
> Interesting... I am a huge fan of the classic Moog sound when

> certain 'artists' but personally I was very disappointed with the
> Moogerfooger range design-wise. I just don't like the pedal format.

> they have a good range of features and they are very reasonably

> haven't heard them so I can't comment on the sound - but I wish

> been made to fit in a modular panel format.

>
> It will be interesting to see what the forthcoming Big Briar

> Synth has in store...
>
> >> Why not? It's evident that Malcolm Cecil patched some simple

> >> occasionally on Tonto.....even using the odd Moog filter.
>
> Ahhh.. my favourite synth sound... especially in the hands of

> speaking of which, Subotnick's finished - time for Fulfillingness

> Finale...
>
> Kirk.

> > admittedly I do use the Audio Input of my
> > Minimoog a lot for the Moog-filter sound but I still like my

> Nothing to be ashamed of.
> Actually I was thinking yesterday that I wouldn't be able to

> synth off a current record (other than a TB303).

> Zawinul, Duke and Hancock I think you could hear whether it was

> Maybe it was because I already knew they were exclusive users of

> brand.
> Final word on the subject.....
> Maybe a possible true weakness of the Serge filters is that they

> multi-mode. Just about every other modular has a dedicated LPF and

> Is there anyone on this list who wouldn't be very excited by the

> a new Serge filter coming on the market.

> (I never mentioned wanting a Moog style filter. What about

> CW