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A truly "modular" modular

2002-07-01 by S V G

Back in the late 70's when kits were still being produced, it was a relatively simple matter
to buy one module at a time. I remember that the main objection that Serge had to putting
together a panel this way was how the front panel would look. These were the days of paper
graphics stuck on the panel followed by a sheet of clear mylar. Doing one module at a time would
mean having the mylar cut into smaller strips as well. This would eventually lead to dirt getting
under the edges and possibly having the mylar lift off in places. Also, the jacks and pots all
needed to be installed on the front panel, oftentimes with an assortment of resistors and whatnot.

I would understand Rex's objections to having people "do it themselves". Issues of quality
control and support for all these kinds of projects could make a small operation go nuts. Perhaps
Rex doesn't want to see the return of the paper faceplate graphics. It is a viable option in my
mind, as it has worked well in the past. Though I wouldn't hold it against Rex if he chooses not
to go that route. It would basically mean the return of the "kit".

Another option would be to design individual metal faceplates and a PC board mounting system
for each faceplate, and a box that could house all this, kinda like the old Moog modulars. Then
the only modifications one would have to do inside the box is to hook up the power supply cables
to each board. This could even be done with snap on connectors. This would also allow you to
rearrange the order of modules as your system grows larger. I'm betting there are more than a few
people on this list who would if they could right now... Is Rex going to do that anytime soon?
I'm putting my bets on the moon...

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Re: A truly "modular" modular

2002-07-02 by DarkStr717@aol.com

In a message dated 7/1/02 4:38:08 PM, vsyevolod@... writes:

<< . Is Rex going to do that anytime soon?
I'm putting my bets on the moon... >>

The moon is to close... try something further away........ much further.
LOL
John D

Re: A truly "modular" modular

2002-07-02 by John Papiewski

As long as we're wading in wanky speculation here, how bout Modcan providing
the faceplate, mounting, & power supply, and Rex providing the graphics & the
circuit boards? A marriage made in heaven? The Serge circuit boards are
already individual per module. All's needed is an individual mechanical
wrapper to put them in, plus the cabinetry & power supply.

Heh heh, you could call it a "Merge"

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> In a message dated 7/1/02 4:38:08 PM, vsyevolod@... writes:
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> << . Is Rex going to do that anytime soon?
> I'm putting my bets on the moon... >>
>
> The moon is to close... try something further away........ much further.
> LOL
> John D
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Re: A truly "modular" modular

2002-07-02 by ethanzer0

> The Serge circuit boards are
> already individual per module.

If the Serge circuit boards are
already individual per module,
and, (besides shop panels) most
panels are custom groupings,
then the front panel graphics
must be done to order.

How difficult can it be to put
one circuit board behind a
panel just large enough to
accomodate the corresponding
front panel graphics?

If serge modules were available
this way I would buy a module
every month or so.

Ethan

Re: A truly "modular" modular

2002-07-03 by Jim Johnson

>> The Serge circuit boards are
>> already individual per module.

There's something a little strange about this situation.

Given that the engineering is already done on the circuitry, and that
front-panel stuff has become so damn cheap and easy (just look at what the
guys are doing over at Synth -DIY).. I can't see what reason there could be
for not moving the Serge stuff to individual modules. I realize that, yeah,
there are manufacturing details that I don't consider (we software guys
have it easy), but it's not like STS has an automated line to retool or
anything.

Jim
****
<insert irrelevant quote from obscure source here>

Re: A truly "modular" modular

2002-07-03 by ringmod45

one has to ask, why does a ROX or BOX cost $250.00 and $200.00? for a
cut out and folded piece of aluminum. hmmm, i wonder why? please help
me out, i just don't see the value there. there are no circuits, ic's
or parts involved, much less a power supply which is an extra $450.00
for a 6 panel system. these are some of the factors which make it
very hard for new customers to get in on the Serge action. i am not
knocking the circuits or functions of the system. it seems to me that
STS may have to adapt to the more advanced technological
manufacturing times we are in. if you add all the introductory costs
to a first time purchaser, it is quite a bundle of cash to outlay for
1 or 2 panels. before you even put a module in a ROX or BOX, you are
looking at $700 minus the patchcords and shipping. something needs to
give on STS's behalf. Again i am not knocking the circuits or
functions of the system, it just needs to come into the 21st century
in terms of production and availability.

RM

In SergeModular@y..., "Jim Johnson" <jamos@t...> wrote:

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> >> The Serge circuit boards are
> >> already individual per module.
>
> There's something a little strange about this situation.
>
> Given that the engineering is already done on the circuitry, and

that

> front-panel stuff has become so damn cheap and easy (just look at

what the

> guys are doing over at Synth -DIY).. I can't see what reason there

could be

> for not moving the Serge stuff to individual modules. I realize

that, yeah,

> there are manufacturing details that I don't consider (we software

guys

> have it easy), but it's not like STS has an automated line to

retool or

> anything.
>
>
> Jim
> ****
> <insert irrelevant quote from obscure source here>

Re: A truly "modular" modular

2002-07-03 by Kirk Degiorgio

> If serge modules were available
> this way I would buy a module
> every month or so.

and so would *many many* other people and I'll say it again... I don't think
Rex wants to get into
a situation like that. Did anybody read my recent posts? Individual modules
would increase demand
to the point where STS may have to expand to cope... I may be completely
wrong but I'm sure
this is the main reason why Rex doesn't offer them this way...

KD

Re: A truly "modular" modular

2002-07-03 by Kirk Degiorgio

again - prohibitive costs is just one method of keeping the amount
prospective
buyers to a manageable level.

So is not having a website with an online order form, etc, etc.

KD

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> one has to ask, why does a ROX or BOX cost $250.00 and $200.00? for a
> cut out and folded piece of aluminum. hmmm, i wonder why? please help
> me out, i just don't see the value there. there are no circuits, ic's
> or parts involved, much less a power supply which is an extra $450.00
> for a 6 panel system. these are some of the factors which make it
> very hard for new customers to get in on the Serge action. i am not
> knocking the circuits or functions of the system. it seems to me that
> STS may have to adapt to the more advanced technological
> manufacturing times we are in. if you add all the introductory costs
> to a first time purchaser, it is quite a bundle of cash to outlay for
> 1 or 2 panels. before you even put a module in a ROX or BOX, you are
> looking at $700 minus the patchcords and shipping. something needs to
> give on STS's behalf. Again i am not knocking the circuits or
> functions of the system, it just needs to come into the 21st century
> in terms of production and availability.
>
> RM
>
> In SergeModular@y..., "Jim Johnson" <jamos@t...> wrote:
> > >> The Serge circuit boards are
> > >> already individual per module.
> >
> > There's something a little strange about this situation.
> >
> > Given that the engineering is already done on the circuitry, and
> that
> > front-panel stuff has become so damn cheap and easy (just look at
> what the
> > guys are doing over at Synth -DIY).. I can't see what reason there
> could be
> > for not moving the Serge stuff to individual modules. I realize
> that, yeah,
> > there are manufacturing details that I don't consider (we software
> guys
> > have it easy), but it's not like STS has an automated line to
> retool or
> > anything.
> >
> >
> > Jim
> > ****
> > <insert irrelevant quote from obscure source here>
>
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Re: A truly "modular" modular

2002-07-03 by John Papiewski

Right. Also, in order to just PAY THE BILLS, ie, the techs, the rent,
insurance & all the other silly overhead, Rex must charge a certain amount for
things, or the whole enterprise just isn't worth it. The cost of running a
business is quite frequently more than the sum of the cost of parts!

So yes, Rex is striking the delicate balance of making enough money and having
enough orders - but not too many.

John P.

Kirk Degiorgio wrote:

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> again - prohibitive costs is just one method of keeping the amount
> prospective
> buyers to a manageable level.
>
> So is not having a website with an online order form, etc, etc.
>
> KD
>
> > one has to ask, why does a ROX or BOX cost $250.00 and $200.00? for a
> > cut out and folded piece of aluminum. hmmm, i wonder why? please help
> > me out, i just don't see the value there. there are no circuits, ic's
> > or parts involved, much less a power supply which is an extra $450.00
> > for a 6 panel system. these are some of the factors which make it
> > very hard for new customers to get in on the Serge action. i am not
> > knocking the circuits or functions of the system. it seems to me that
> > STS may have to adapt to the more advanced technological
> > manufacturing times we are in. if you add all the introductory costs
> > to a first time purchaser, it is quite a bundle of cash to outlay for
> > 1 or 2 panels. before you even put a module in a ROX or BOX, you are
> > looking at $700 minus the patchcords and shipping. something needs to
> > give on STS's behalf. Again i am not knocking the circuits or
> > functions of the system, it just needs to come into the 21st century
> > in terms of production and availability.
> >
> > RM
> >
> > In SergeModular@y..., "Jim Johnson" <jamos@t...> wrote:
> > > >> The Serge circuit boards are
> > > >> already individual per module.
> > >
> > > There's something a little strange about this situation.
> > >
> > > Given that the engineering is already done on the circuitry, and
> > that
> > > front-panel stuff has become so damn cheap and easy (just look at
> > what the
> > > guys are doing over at Synth -DIY).. I can't see what reason there
> > could be
> > > for not moving the Serge stuff to individual modules. I realize
> > that, yeah,
> > > there are manufacturing details that I don't consider (we software
> > guys
> > > have it easy), but it's not like STS has an automated line to
> > retool or
> > > anything.
> > >
> > >
> > > Jim
> > > ****
> > > <insert irrelevant quote from obscure source here>
> >
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Re: A truly "modular" modular

2002-07-03 by Kirk Degiorgio

> So yes, Rex is striking the delicate balance of making enough money and

having

> enough orders - but not too many.

That's exactly what I thought too....

KD

Re: A truly "modular" modular

2002-07-03 by DarkStr717@aol.com

In a message dated 7/2/02 7:23:38 PM, jamos@... writes:

<< and that
front-panel stuff has become so damn cheap and easy >>

You might want to discuss that perception with Rex. LOL
John D

Re: A truly "modular" modular

2002-07-03 by DarkStr717@aol.com

In a message dated 7/3/02 5:38:45 AM, kirk.degiorgio@... writes:

<< Individual modules
would increase demand
to the point where STS may have to expand to cope... I may be completely
wrong but I'm sure
this is the main reason why Rex doesn't offer them this way.. >>

This is dead-on correct. I don't think anyone understood my post about this
either. He doesn't want to go down that road folks. It's the path that STS
(Oakland) was headed toward and it was driving him nuts. More people, more
overhead, more hassle...bigger. He doesn't want to do bigger. There is one
assembler and one in training part time i believe. Kevin still does final
burn-in. That's it. This is as big as it's going to get.
I won't even go into the cost of faceplates. Take a look..... check the
graphics, look at everyone elses'. I used to do photo-silkscreening. That
kind of quality, one at a time, on that grade of metal ...... take those two
factors together and these things aren't going to be cheap.
Hahahaa.... I'll stop now.... it's the caffine....... the
caffine...............................thud!!!
LMAO!!!!
Kind regards
John D

Re: A truly "modular" modular

2002-07-05 by angrysavant

--- In SergeModular@y..., DarkStr717@a... wrote:

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> In a message dated 7/3/02 5:38:45 AM, kirk.degiorgio@b... writes:
>

As the owner of several business, I applaud Rex's desire to keep
things symbiotic and not go plastic. Besides, the price makes us
choose our panels carefully and use them to their fullest. I think
of it as gluttony prevention. I still need to figure out clever ways
to use my modules rather than just being able to buy the whole kit
and patch without insanity.

-as

Re: A truly "modular" modular

2002-07-08 by ethanzer0

--- In SergeModular@y..., "angrysavant" <angrysavant@h...> wrote:

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>
> As the owner of several business, I applaud Rex's desire to keep

As the owner of several businesses,
do you applaud the marketing strategy
of vendors who price themselves out
of their own market?

Ethan

Re: A truly "modular" modular

2002-07-08 by Chris Whitten

> As the owner of several businesses,
> do you applaud the marketing strategy
> of vendors who price themselves out
> of their own market?

This has all been dragged over several times before.....
check the archives.
However to answer your particular point, it may be that Rex regards STS as
the Rolls Royce of modular systems. Rolls Royce make a few cars every year
and have no inclination to move to a more automated process or to introduce
a cheaper car to get more customers.
CW

Re: A truly "modular" modular

2002-07-08 by ethanzer0

> This has all been dragged over several times before.....
> check the archives.

I believe the current version of
this thread started with a question
similar to: Why doesn't STS introduce
new modules the way Modcan et. al does?

One answer to that question was something
along the lines of: Because Rex doesn't
make enough to be researching new modules
and the ecomony is down so demand is down
etc.

So, the rebuttal to that answer has been
approximately this: Hey STS, this is your
customer base out here looking for some
sort of response to our questions and desire
for new modules, increased flexibility and
accessibility. Why not let us buy modules
one at a time if your are having trouble
selling panels?

Instead of a respone to that outcry, I have
only heard people extolling the snob appeal
virtues of owning a STS Serge as they
are currently sold.

And, just because this has already been
discussed in the archives, it doesn't mean
the discussion is actually done. If a
discussion continues to rear it's ugly
head, obviously, the problem has
not been solved.

Of course, this whole argument will play
itself out. Does anybody remember OS/2?
Sure OS/2 was a superior OS and everybody
knew it...

Ethan

Re: A truly "modular" modular

2002-07-08 by Kirk Degiorgio

> > This has all been dragged over several times before.....
> > check the archives.
>
> I believe the current version of
> this thread started with a question
> similar to: Why doesn't STS introduce
> new modules the way Modcan et. al does?
>
> One answer to that question was something
> along the lines of: Because Rex doesn't
> make enough to be researching new modules
> and the ecomony is down so demand is down
> etc.

and it was argued that this answer was probably incorrect.

> So, the rebuttal to that answer has been
> approximately this: Hey STS, this is your
> customer base out here looking for some
> sort of response to our questions and desire
> for new modules, increased flexibility and
> accessibility. Why not let us buy modules
> one at a time if your are having trouble
> selling panels?

the answer was probably incorrect and so is the assumption that STS
is having trouble selling panels...

> Instead of a respone to that outcry, I have
> only heard people extolling the snob appeal
> virtues of owning a STS Serge as they
> are currently sold.

Did you not read the posts agreeing that Rex's policy of not offering
seperate panels
was due to his wish to keep STS from expanding beyond his
wishes/capabilities. This
has nothing to do with snobbery, lack of R&D funds, poor economy, etc,
etc... its a simple business/life choice that Rex likes to keep
in balance. Good for him.

> And, just because this has already been
> discussed in the archives, it doesn't mean
> the discussion is actually done. If a
> discussion continues to rear it's ugly
> head, obviously, the problem has
> not been solved.

If you had anything new and constructive to add then of course the
discussion must continue... but
it seems to me you have mis-interpreted the posts and not taken the
discussion any place further.

>
> Of course, this whole argument will play
> itself out. Does anybody remember OS/2?
> Sure OS/2 was a superior OS and everybody
> knew it...

What has 'superior' anything got to do with this discussion?

I had a similar experience with my record label. When I released 1 or 2
records a year it was hugely enjoyable and I could manage
the business side between myself and my partner. Due to 'advice' (read:
pressure) from greedy distributors I increased the release schedule
to the point where I needed a lawyer, another employee - another accountant,
another business account, etc, etc. Sure the increased income
was nice but SO WHAT - I didn't have time to sit down and watch the Simpsons
anymore.

KD

Re: A truly "modular" modular

2002-07-08 by Chris Whitten

> And, just because this has already been
> discussed in the archives, it doesn't mean
> the discussion is actually done.

All I'm saying is this has been discussed at length and from all angles.
There has even been some heated argument.
For what it's worth, the zero web presence and the difficulty in contacting
STS plus the lack of new module development has been instrumental in my
consolidating my ModCan system rather than investing in more Serge.
This has been the situation for years rather than months. Both sides have
had their say and I have to bow to those who know and speak with Rex.
If you can't afford to buy a panel or want some different filter choices
(for example) you'll have to look elsewhere.
As long as the rights to build Serge modules is owned by Rex you have to
respect his right to choose how he wants to market them IMO.
CW

Re: A truly "modular" modular

2002-07-08 by ethanzer0

> > Of course, this whole argument will play
> > itself out. Does anybody remember OS/2?
> > Sure OS/2 was a superior OS and everybody
> > knew it...
>
> What has 'superior' anything got to do with this discussion?
>

I was under the impression that the
current marketing and production
approach exists to keep quality high.
Didn't somebody make a Rolls Royce
comparison?

No need to get nasty there Kirk.

Ethan

Re: A truly "modular" modular

2002-07-08 by ethanzer0

> respect his right to choose how he wants to market them IMO.

I agree with you Chris, however,
I would say the STS approach appears
not to consider or respect the customer.

Ethan

Re: A truly "modular" modular

2002-07-08 by John Papiewski

> Why not let us buy modules
> one at a time if your are having trouble
> selling panels?

He's not having trouble selling panels. Unless things have changed
drastically in the past few months Rex sounded like he was plenty busy.

This thread is awful tedious. If ya want a single module, there are SO MANY
options out there --- the only problem is when it's one that only STS happens
to make.

John P.

Re: A truly "modular" modular

2002-07-08 by Kirk Degiorgio

Implying that the responses were 'extolling snob appeal' is nastier than
anything
I have responded with... it was not neccessary and incorrect in my view to
try and imply
that any of us were in some way applauding Rex's business policies to be
part of some sort of
'elite' or 'snob' club.

I thought by your comments that you were implying that some of us were in
some way pleased that Serge is
prohibitively expensive so we can be part of an elite club whilst others
cannot. That is pretty disgusting. If you did not
mean this then I apologise.

Rex could still sell individual modules and keep the quality high. It is
more of a 'lifestyle' choice I believe - backed up by
others who have spoken to Rex alot more than myself.

regards

KD

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> > > Of course, this whole argument will play
> > > itself out. Does anybody remember OS/2?
> > > Sure OS/2 was a superior OS and everybody
> > > knew it...
> >
> > What has 'superior' anything got to do with this discussion?
> >
>
> I was under the impression that the
> current marketing and production
> approach exists to keep quality high.
> Didn't somebody make a Rolls Royce
> comparison?
>
> No need to get nasty there Kirk.
>
> Ethan
>
>
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Re: A truly "modular" modular

2002-07-08 by ethanzer0

> I have responded with... it was not neccessary and incorrect in my
> view to try and imply that any of us were in some way applauding
> Rex's business policies to be part of some sort of 'elite'
> or 'snob' club.
>

You have to admit that Rolls Royce has
snob appeal. By comparing the STS
production approach to Rolls Royce,
the debator has, perhaps inadvertantly,
suggested that STS has snob appeal. I
was merely commenting on the argument
that the current STS productions approach,
which has been likened to Rolls Royce,
makes quality control in single modules
diffcult. I think that is a weak argument.

I didn't compare STS to Rolls Royce. If
I misunderstood the argument, my mistake
and I apologize if you or any other people
feel accused of snobbery.

Ethan

Re: A truly "modular" modular

2002-07-08 by angrysavant

--- In SergeModular@y..., "ethanzer0" <ethanzer0@y...> wrote:

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> --- In SergeModular@y..., "angrysavant" <angrysavant@h...> wrote:
> >
> > As the owner of several business, I applaud Rex's desire to keep
>
> As the owner of several businesses,
> do you applaud the marketing strategy
> of vendors who price themselves out
> of their own market?
>
> Ethan

Yes, I'm an advocate of free choice.

If the pricing allows the often forgotten "humans" that make up the
vendor to live a comfortable lifestyle then I'm all for it.

-as

Re: A truly "modular" modular

2002-07-08 by angrysavant

--- In SergeModular@y..., "ethanzer0" <ethanzer0@y...> wrote:

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> > This has all been dragged over several times before.....
> > check the archives.
>
>
> And, just because this has already been
> discussed in the archives, it doesn't mean
> the discussion is actually done. If a
> discussion continues to rear it's ugly
> head, obviously, the problem has
> not been solved.

Serge is a privilege not a right. Be happy anyone makes modulars of
this quality. Free markets allow Modcan et. al. to try their hand at
growing a user base.

Rex has delivered on everything he sells, nothing more. He's heard
this all before, and I'm sure he'll hear it again. I'm an advocate
of his lifestyle. Capitalism is not the epitome of human achievement
and I don't blame rex if he doesn't want to create a company of busy
drones filling orders for everyone and their mother.

Would you want your nipples tugged at twice a day for the rest of
your useful life?

erm, don't answer that ;)

-as

Re: A truly "modular" world

2002-07-08 by angrysavant

--- In SergeModular@y..., "ethanzer0" <ethanzer0@y...> wrote:

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> > respect his right to choose how he wants to market them IMO.
>
> I agree with you Chris, however,
> I would say the STS approach appears
> not to consider or respect the customer.
>
> Ethan

What, you want vanilla coke? or maybe coke classic? ;)

Rex packs, ships, and builds his panels with the utmost respect.
I think he very much has the customer in mind. Maybe you aren't his
ideal customer (giving marketing advice to someone with many years in
the business), but he'd still happily sell you a panel and put the
same quality controls and care into its engineering, presentation and
delivery.

Has anyone on this list been disappointed by their transaction with
STS?

The only thing disappointing about modcan is the depth/profile. I
like portable setups and I don't call 2 SKB12-19U cases portable when
added to all my other gear.

-as

Re: A truly "modular" modular

2002-07-09 by Spacemodular

Kirk Degiorgio said regarding expanding his record
label too much:

"Sure the increased income was nice but SO WHAT - I
didn't have time to sit down and watch the Simpsons
anymore."

A man after my own heart. I feel incomplete if I can't
vege on Homer et al after grinding all day. :)

Regarding Ethan's comments: If you ever met Rex or
talked to him for awhile, you would understand his
motivations. He isn't into this for popularity or
marketshare. He provides a unique product on his own
terms. I always like to think of his answer to people
who have "great ideas" about how he should develop
STS. Something like "that's great, but how about
backing me up with $500,000 for product development".
Anyway-check out the archives, it has all been said
before.

Best Regards,

Nick Wilson (no more flames from me)

p.s. to Blake - anymore developments on the
Bananafication front?

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Re: A truly "modular" modular

2002-07-09 by Chris Whitten

> I always like to think of his answer to people
> who have "great ideas" about how he should develop
> STS. Something like "that's great, but how about
> backing me up with $500,000 for product development".

Nick,
I don't 'like to think' of that answer I'm afraid.
That's what frustrates me about STS.
OK, the guys at ModCan, Wiard et al have day jobs. I take on board Kirk's
reservations about meddling with a classic, I kind of agree with those that
say this is a tedious discussion because nothing is going to change.
But don't tell me that STS couldn't come up with a few new module ideas in
the last 5 years. I *don't* think either Wiard, MOTM or ModCan had anything
like $500,000 of investment to develop some highly successful and exciting
new modules.
CW

Re: A truly "modular" modular

2002-07-09 by DarkStr717@aol.com

In a message dated 7/9/02 1:20:55 PM, cw.chris@... writes:

<< OK, the guys at ModCan, Wiard et al have day jobs. I take on board Kirk's
reservations about meddling with a classic, I kind of agree with those that
say this is a tedious discussion because nothing is going to change.
But don't tell me that STS couldn't come up with a few new module ideas in
the last 5 years. I *don't* think either Wiard, MOTM or ModCan had anything
like $500,000 of investment to develop some highly successful and exciting
new modules. >>

............ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz................................

..................thud!!!!
No offense, but when i heard about this list i was realy jazzed. What a
great forum for posting new ideas.... theories... patches...helping
newcomers.... ya know..... a support group for the seriously addicted.
The jokes on me. Talk about a patch or sound ideas and the silence is
numbing. But by god , when someone wants to rant and bitch about "modularity"
or lack therof, or lack of new modules, well , the philosophical, existential
crap shoot takes off with gusto and clogs the BLOG for days. For gods sake
give it a rest. The horse is way past dead.
Flame retardent in hand;
John D

Re: A truly "modular" modular

2002-07-09 by Bill Sequeira

Thank you!!!!!

Regards,

Bill
______________________________________________________________________
Bill Sequeira, Ph.D.
Principal, Axon Hillock -- http://www.axonhillock.com/

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> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:25:01 EDT
> To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [SergeModular] Re: A truly "modular" modular
>
>
> ..................thud!!!!
> No offense, but when i heard about this list i was realy jazzed. What a
> great forum for posting new ideas.... theories... patches...helping
> newcomers.... ya know..... a support group for the seriously addicted.
> The jokes on me. Talk about a patch or sound ideas and the silence is
> numbing. But by god , when someone wants to rant and bitch about "modularity"
> or lack therof, or lack of new modules, well , the philosophical, existential
> crap shoot takes off with gusto and clogs the BLOG for days. For gods sake
> give it a rest. The horse is way past dead.
> Flame retardent in hand;
> John D
>
>
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Re: A truly "modular" modular

2002-07-09 by Chris Whitten

> ............ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz................................
>
> ..................thud!!!!

Hey,
Your only contribution to a *valid* debate on where the Serge system might
be headed is to post the above TWICE.
If you want to discuss patch ideas then go ahead. I see you mostly using
SMOG as a Serge specific auction house.
It's an open forum. Therefore if a lot of people want to discuss patches and
musical ideas they will. I haven't seen too much evidence of it to date.
CW

Re: A truly "modular" modular

2002-07-09 by Chris Whitten

On a more balanced note......
(sorry, I find the old Zzzz...Thud thing a bit obnoxious)

It's fine to encourage more positive chat about ideas and patches, Smoggers
have done it a bit. However there are often days of inactivity on these
Yahoo groups and it seems that the only time there is a flurry of posts is
when somebody bitches about something or says something controversial.
My last couple of STS posts have been in response to RingMod's long
contribution which I thought was one of the most interesting, considered and
obviously heartfelt posts ever on the Serge list.
I guess if you'd rather discuss where to stick your banana
then who am I.......
CW

Re: A truly "modular" modular

2002-07-09 by ethanzer0

> or lack therof, or lack of new modules, well , the philosophical,
> existential crap shoot takes off with gusto and clogs the BLOG for
> days. For gods sake give it a rest. The horse is way past dead.
> Flame retardent in hand;
>

I will agree with you that
such long winded arguments
can be tiresome, however, it
is this exact form of commincation
that is essential to progress
on every level. This is a
discussion group. Is this not a
forum for Serge owners past, present,
and future to meet and discuss all
things Serge? There is nothing
about this discussion that is preventing
you or anybody else from engaging
in a seperate thread. I find irony
in members of a discussion group asking
other members to refrain from
discussion and debate. I speak my mind
in a civil manner and will not censor
my opinion for fear of flames. I offer
my opinion and I will defend what I
believe to be true and I encourage
all other to do the same - in a civil
manner of course :)

ethanzer0

Re: A truly "modular" modular

2002-07-09 by DarkStr717@aol.com

In a message dated 7/9/02 3:40:27 PM, cw.chris@... writes:

<< I guess if you'd rather discuss where to stick your banana
then who am I..... >>

that wasn't directed at you cChris.... just my frustration in general about
this ongoing blather... I just happened to use your post as a reference...
no disrespect intended.
= JOhn D