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Pulse with is only working (full sweep, though) between 10 and 3
o'clock. Wave morph function is completely dead. Are schematics
available? I really don't want to send this back.

I also have a problem with Wave morph function - however, it is not dead. 
The CV socket is loose, and if I insert the patch cord, and push it hard 
left, I usually manage to establish connection. Another couple of sockets on 
the same module behave like that. Regards,

Zoran

>From: "clearmountainskies" <clearmountainskies@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com
>To: PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [PLAN_B_analog_blog] Oscillator received new from Analogue Haven, 
>but...
>Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:23:27 -0000
>
>Pulse with is only working (full sweep, though) between 10 and 3
>o'clock. Wave morph function is completely dead. Are schematics
>available? I really don't want to send this back.
>
>
>

Regarding the PWM, this is the way it works.  the dead spots come
alive (are usable) under CV control, that's why the appearant manual
range of the pot is as narrow as iit is.  Insert a VC in the PSM, see
how offsets into the otherwise dead zone cereate interesting PWN
effects form the CV.

Regarding the morph.  What's dead, the output?  the VC input?  Neither
of course should be.  This is odd and unfortunately, we do not
distribute schematics.  Please contact me offline, I get give you all
the assistance you need to check this out. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Thanks,

- P

peter@ear-group.net

My PWM does the same thing only works between the 10-3 positions, but I 
think you need to have an wave inputted above the PMW dial?

Ross



Zoran Bosnjak wrote:

>
> I also have a problem with Wave morph function - however, it is not dead.
> The CV socket is loose, and if I insert the patch cord, and push it hard
> left, I usually manage to establish connection. Another couple of 
> sockets on
> the same module behave like that. Regards,
>
> Zoran
>
> >From: "clearmountainskies" <clearmountainskies@hotmail.com 
> <mailto:clearmountainskies%40hotmail.com>>
> >Reply-To: PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:PLAN_B_analog_blog%40yahoogroups.com>
> >To: PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:PLAN_B_analog_blog%40yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: [PLAN_B_analog_blog] Oscillator received new from Analogue 
> Haven,
> >but...
> >Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:23:27 -0000
> >
> >Pulse with is only working (full sweep, though) between 10 and 3
> >o'clock. Wave morph function is completely dead. Are schematics
> >available? I really don't want to send this back.
> >
> >
> >
>
>

--- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "(i think you can figure 
that out)" <peter@...> wrote:

> Regarding the morph.  What's dead, the output?  the VC input?  
Neither
> of course should be. 

There is no output. I have tried re-seating the connectors and IC's. 
What e-mail can I contact you at? I have no idea since I remember you 
saying you had trouble getting mail at a certain address.

--- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, amnesia <amni56@...> wrote:
>
> My PWM does the same thing only works between the 10-3 positions, 
but I 
> think you need to have an wave inputted above the PMW dial?

This is why there needs to be official manuals for these modules.

i think there was a bad batch of sockets.  my M13 arrived with both CV 
inputs pretty much kaput - one would cut out when touched, the other 
only worked when reamed on.  the kind gents @ analoguehaven sent me 
some replacements, as it was an easy fix to replace them

--- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, Brad Hawkins 
<monkeyfinger@...> wrote:
>
> i think there was a bad batch of sockets.  my M13 arrived with both 
CV 
> inputs pretty much kaput - one would cut out when touched, the other 
> only worked when reamed on.  the kind gents @ analoguehaven sent me 
> some replacements, as it was an easy fix to replace them
>

So did you actually fix the sockets yourself or did they send a 
whole 'nother module? Is it possible that Plan B is using the "old" 
style jacks gave similar problems when Doepfer was using them? 
Analogue Haven would be supplying Cliff part #CL13841 as replacement 
jacks, which is the right part number. Is Plan B using the regular 
CL1384 part? That could be causing all the jack "failures" because of 
poor compatibility with certain patch cables.

I was wondering about official manuals myself. They would definitely
come in handy.

On 10/11/06 9:32 PM, "clearmountainskies" <edgewood@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

> --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:PLAN_B_analog_blog%40yahoogroups.com> , amnesia <amni56@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > My PWM does the same thing only works between the 10-3 positions,
> but I 
>> > think you need to have an wave inputted above the PMW dial?
> 
> This is why there needs to be official manuals for these modules.
> 
>

>  So did you actually fix the sockets yourself



yes i did that



the rest of my jacks seem to be fine.  still have yet to test the 
second M15 though....sometime today i hope

Can you tell me how you fixed it? My FM in jack is funny. It only works
with the plug half way pushed in.

    Thanks,
    John

On 10/12/06 1:11 PM, "Brad Hawkins" <monkeyfinger@mac.com> wrote:

> 
>> >  So did you actually fix the sockets yourself
> 
> yes i did that
> 
> the rest of my jacks seem to be fine.  still have yet to test the
> second M15 though....sometime today i hope
> 
>

Guys -

We're not buying old jacks.  We go through so many of these friggin'
things in a week it would be impossible.

We order the same ones A. Sys gets, but there is a slight issue here.
 They don't sell to distribution.  Only Cliff USA has them and their
UK office will not deal with us - we HAVE to go through CLiff USA. 
Six months ago they decided to stop stocking these at their US office
- they would only have them for special order situaitons with VERY
long leads times. I had to beg with the owner in Britain to keep a
stock to basically keep us shipping.  He agreed and now they do in
fact keep a small inventory, which we go though all the time.  Just
order 450 of them a week ago, less than a quarter remain.

As far as the problem, this is what I've been told.  They make these
in two factories - UK andf China.  They said the UK ones are fine, but
sometmes the ones made in China have problems with spring retention. 
Of course we refuse Chiese jacks (it's stamped on them).  BUt, we
still do get form time to time bad ones.  I've mailed them samples, 
don't hear back.  

If any of you wish to take this to Cliff - I would surely appreciate
the help here.  Wite them - call them  - tell them the problems you're
having.  If they say the problem's been fixed, tell them that they are
then still shipping product which has the problem...,because we do get
these form time to time. There were approximately 14 in our last lot
of 400 which I felt were unacceptable.  Doesn't sound like a
lot...until the one bad one we ship happens to be in a module you
happen to buy, right?

right.


In any event, there is a way to make this problem better without
replacement which should be tried.

there are two retianing bands on a CLiff Jack.  One ii closer tothe
back of the face plate, one is behind the first.  The first retaining
spring is the ring of the jack.  You needn't worry about this one it's
the one further away that makes contact to the tip.  Insert a patch
cord all the way in and using a small strsight blade screw driver,
push down gently on the second retaining clip to increase it's
tension.  Do this a few times, you'll get it working again.

In the meantime,I am passing your letters here onto Cliff.

> >
> > i think there was a bad batch of sockets.  my M13 arrived with both 
> CV 
> > inputs pretty much kaput - one would cut out when touched, the other 
> > only worked when reamed on.  the kind gents @ analoguehaven sent me 
> > some replacements, as it was an easy fix to replace them
> >
> 
> So did you actually fix the sockets yourself or did they send a 
> whole 'nother module? Is it possible that Plan B is using the "old" 
> style jacks gave similar problems when Doepfer was using them? 
> Analogue Haven would be supplying Cliff part #CL13841 as replacement 
> jacks, which is the right part number. Is Plan B using the regular 
> CL1384 part? That could be causing all the jack "failures" because of 
> poor compatibility with certain patch cables.
>

contact me at peter@ear-group.net


--- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "clearmountainskies"
<edgewood@...> wrote:

>
> --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "(i think you can figure 
> that out)" <peter@> wrote:
> 
> > Regarding the morph.  What's dead, the output?  the VC input?  
> Neither
> > of course should be. 
> 
> There is no output. I have tried re-seating the connectors and IC's. 
> What e-mail can I contact you at? I have no idea since I remember you 
> saying you had trouble getting mail at a certain address.
>

> We're not buying old jacks.
...
>It seems we're getting bad CL1384 jacks

You're buying "old" jacks in the sense that Doepfer buys a different 
part number now, "CL13841", that come from the factory with the 
tension already adjusted. I wasn't trying to accuse you of using 
surplus parts. The US distributor will order them if you commit to a 
Qty. of 2,000.

Dear Clear,

I appreciate your assistance, but this part number is not in the Cliff
catalog. It was a temporary part number used three years ago when they
originally found the problem with the standard part. They assigned a
temporary p/n as a means of not contaminating new inventory.  Cliff
USA assured me the 1384 have been redesigned.  Please also be aware
that I purchased about 500 jacks form Dieter not too long ago and they
were 1384's.
   

I've been this through all, many many times!

In any event, Andy, the president of Cliff has sent me a letter, he's
very concerned about this and is communicating with their
manufacturing people in Hong Kong.

More info when Im able.


- P

--- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "clearmountainskies"
<edgewood@...> wrote:

>
> > We're not buying old jacks.
> ...
> >It seems we're getting bad CL1384 jacks
> 
> You're buying "old" jacks in the sense that Doepfer buys a different 
> part number now, "CL13841", that come from the factory with the 
> tension already adjusted. I wasn't trying to accuse you of using 
> surplus parts. The US distributor will order them if you commit to a 
> Qty. of 2,000.
>