PLAN B analog blog

Correct - the MOTM style faceplates were killing us as far as 
cost.  Try $26 per unit at a lot size oof 50 faceplates vs. about 
$3.50 per for a standard model 15 spot annodized plate.  Neither 
Mike Brown or I felt we could justify what would have been easily 
a $75 price increase form one format to another.  So, 
unfortunately, while I'm not prepared to say it will never happen, if 
it doesn. it's going to be after the Plan B line is established and 
not still in the upstart mode.  Right now the cost of faceplates 
would kill me.....$10K for 50 faceplartes, of one model type...can't 
do that right now!

As far as PCBs only, I am prepared to say that will not happen on 
Plan B goods.  There's two reasons for this, the most important 
of which it introduces warranty issues and may flood the market 
with clones which would effect the resale value of Plan B 
modules built by us.

- P



--- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, thomas white 
<djthomaswhite@...> wrote:
>
> I am obviously not Peter, but I seem to remember these being 
cancelled due to problems with the front panel. Either in expense 
or detail of making the design similar. 
>    
>   Personally, I would go for a PCB-only option, either pre-built 
(stuffed) with exception to panel-format specific parts or as a pcb 
only. My only concern would be that it runs on +/-15v so I can 
power it right with my MOTM modules. Maybe this is something 
that can be offered by Peter in the future? If it was PCB only with 
a parts list and PCB legend and wiring diagram, us DIY folks 
could figure out the rest on our own mostly. I wouldn't mind to 
own a few designs but I am not going to buy another Euro rack 
just for them when all of my focus is on my large cabinet format. 
>    
>   Thomas
> 
> HDibrell@... wrote:
>             Hi Peter,  I know you are probably too busy to worry 
about this at this time, but are the MOTM style modules still in the 
works for the near future?    Thanks,  Harry D
>   
> 
>          
> 
> 
> Thomas White
>   Natural Rhythm
> www.naturalrhythmmusic.com
> 
>  				
> ---------------------------------
> Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. 
Yahoo! Small Business.
>

Big P

What about doing the panels like the Modcan B panels.?  By this I mean
in either an MOTM or Synthesizers.com compatible size, but with your
normal Plan B panel graphics?  These days more and more people are
giving in to the Frankensynth model and are merely selecting between
1/8" small formats or 1/4" large formats.

Larry T.

p.s.  When will you post a photo of my Milton-in-progress?

--- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "(i think you can figure
that out)" <peter@...> wrote:

>
> Correct - the MOTM style faceplates were killing us as far as 
> cost.  Try $26 per unit at a lot size oof 50 faceplates vs. about 
> $3.50 per for a standard model 15 spot annodized plate.  Neither 
> Mike Brown or I felt we could justify what would have been easily 
> a $75 price increase form one format to another.  So, 
> unfortunately, while I'm not prepared to say it will never happen, if 
> it doesn. it's going to be after the Plan B line is established and 
> not still in the upstart mode.  Right now the cost of faceplates 
> would kill me.....$10K for 50 faceplartes, of one model type...can't 
> do that right now!
> 
> As far as PCBs only, I am prepared to say that will not happen on 
> Plan B goods.  There's two reasons for this, the most important 
> of which it introduces warranty issues and may flood the market 
> with clones which would effect the resale value of Plan B 
> modules built by us.
> 
> - P
> 
> 
> 
> --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, thomas white 
> <djthomaswhite@> wrote:
> >
> > I am obviously not Peter, but I seem to remember these being 
> cancelled due to problems with the front panel. Either in expense 
> or detail of making the design similar. 
> >    
> >   Personally, I would go for a PCB-only option, either pre-built 
> (stuffed) with exception to panel-format specific parts or as a pcb 
> only. My only concern would be that it runs on +/-15v so I can 
> power it right with my MOTM modules. Maybe this is something 
> that can be offered by Peter in the future? If it was PCB only with 
> a parts list and PCB legend and wiring diagram, us DIY folks 
> could figure out the rest on our own mostly. I wouldn't mind to 
> own a few designs but I am not going to buy another Euro rack 
> just for them when all of my focus is on my large cabinet format. 
> >    
> >   Thomas
> > 
> > HDibrell@ wrote:
> >             Hi Peter,  I know you are probably too busy to worry 
> about this at this time, but are the MOTM style modules still in the 
> works for the near future?    Thanks,  Harry D
> >   
> > 
> >          
> > 
> > 
> > Thomas White
> >   Natural Rhythm
> > www.naturalrhythmmusic.com
> > 
> >  				
> > ---------------------------------
> > Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. 
> Yahoo! Small Business.
> >
>

>Big P
>
>What about doing the panels like the Modcan B panels.? By this I mean
>in either an MOTM or Synthesizers.com compatible size, but with your
>normal Plan B panel graphics?

I would think Modcan panels would be even more expensive with all 
those bends in the panel. Besides when does no cease to mean no?
-- 
Take care.

- Loren Nerell

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Loren

No means No.  But we are offering options that Peter might not have
though of.  He stated NO due to the cost of the MOTM panels done the way
MOTM does them.  However, if the size is a match but NOT the panel
graphics, and/or the panels are done like Modcan B or Synthesizers.com
using bends, they may be much less expensive.  Modcan & .com use much
thinner aluminum and the bends provide the support.  Thinner aluminum
also reduces the need for pots and jacks with overly long mounting
threads.  Hopefully, Peter would NOT use the overpriced Spectrol or
Bournes pots that MOTM uses.  Even MOTM is feeling the pain now as these
parts copntinue to climb in price.  I can replace one MOTM pot 4 or 5
times at current prices using alpha pots (and they have a better feel
IMHO).

I am committed to 1/4" jacks.  I've broken too many 1/8" jacks to ever
consider them in a modular system.  I have some Blacet modules using the
Blacet-to-MOTM adapter panel, but that is now discontinued!  What a
PITA!

So maybe, in offering alternatives, we will come up with something that
works financially for Peter and for the rest of us.  If not, then the
answer is still no.

Larry T.

--- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, Loren Nerell <lnerell@...>
wrote:

>
> >Big P
> >
> >What about doing the panels like the Modcan B panels.? By this I mean
> >in either an MOTM or Synthesizers.com compatible size, but with your
> >normal Plan B panel graphics?
>
> I would think Modcan panels would be even more expensive with all
> those bends in the panel. Besides when does no cease to mean no?
> --
> Take care.
>
> - Loren Nerell
>
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> http://www.lorennerell.com
> http://www.soundclick.com/lorennerell
> http://www.analoguehaven.com/
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>