PLAN B analog blog

Hi

   is a wavetable osc planned still ? maybe with a few twists ;)ppg 
waveset etc.Surprised no one has done a Ppg OSc module , maybe the 
current wavetatble osc are this .Also wondered if anyone will be doing 
a noise generator digital noise type osc like the dark star chaos etc ?
or with that 8 bit sound  .Always looking for new forms of strange 
noise 

cheers

matt

MATT!

Before i answer...have you voted for your preferred Model 18 
(that's really 18) format yet?  ha ha.

ANYWAY...no plans to do a wavetable as I have enough goodies 
on the drawing board at Plan B Skunkworks to last 
me....hmm...10 years?  Nah, not quite THAT long.  

close though.

But seriously, I am currently working on six newbies in the "it's 
been designed, just have to to do the PCB layout" mode, two 
others in the "seriously in development' mode, and three others 
tht are in whatever mode it's called when you're thinking about 
them as your driving.

One that's in the serious development mode is the new Mitlon, 
and i happen to have another session with the programmer this 
evening (it's a regular rain or shine Sunday evening thing for the 
last couple of months). I bring this one up specifically because 
alos, it may still change formats (see next letter).

Mike was talking about a bit -cruncher, we just need to needle 
him on his thinking that it's a sin to include digital circuits in an 
analog module!  And you can tell'em i said that - ha ha !

As far as a wavetable VCO - its come up in think tank meetings, 
but it's not gotten any further than that.

One I have been  tossing around recently (car mode) is a 
harmonic generator of sorts - all analog.  First ten harmonics via 
sliders or VCs.  Sine, saw and possibly square outs.

- P





--- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "izimizam" 
<izimizam@...> wrote:
>
> Hi
> 
>    is a wavetable osc planned still ? maybe with a few twists 
;)ppg 
> waveset etc.Surprised no one has done a Ppg OSc module , 
maybe the 
> current wavetatble osc are this .Also wondered if anyone will 
be doing 
> a noise generator digital noise type osc like the dark star 
chaos etc ?
> or with that 8 bit sound  .Always looking for new forms of 
strange 

> noise 
> 
> cheers
> 
> matt
>

> One I have been  tossing around recently (car mode) is a
> harmonic generator of sorts - all analog.  First ten harmonics via
> sliders or VCs.  Sine, saw and possibly square outs.
>



neato!

'evening--

>> One I have been  tossing around recently (car mode) is a
>> harmonic generator of sorts - all analog.  First ten harmonics via
>> sliders or VCs.  Sine, saw and possibly square outs.
>>
>
>neato!
>

Yeah, I concur. Sounds a lot like one of the oscillator devices in the Loran
modular built by Ruediger Lorenz...

http://www.synrise.de/guests/lorenz/diy/loran.html

A very tasty concept.

Frank

--- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, q v s f u e k p s 
v h s l w <izimizam@...> wrote:
>
> Hi
>    
>           i made my vote :) thats cool regards the wavetable .Digital 
in analogue? well i hope so , i think its the missing link and 
future of modular hardware systems along with bring back some 
of the rare and obscure stuff .Weird digital noises are lovely , i 
love the idea of the harmonic osc . . .cv mod per slider also?

Absolutely.


 , cross mod . . .all sorts of potential.Bit cruncher - yes please 
.The Milton? my guess is there are more than a few people ready 
to punce on this  ! Digital circuits , we we have to agree they can 
make for some really bad filters and in general can really fall 
short of the mark at times but in realtion to creative sound design 
digital can be cool.

Everyone's opinion is legit, so here is mine:

I'm not so keen on digital when used for sound generation or 
processing (outside of delay, where digtal completely 
outperforms analog)...but for control voltage generators they are 
supurb.  Random voltages, sequencers of course (all 
sequencers are digital at their core,  little difference if that binary 
data is coming from a microP or CMOS) ), EG's , panners - these 
are SCREAMING for digital.  

Imagine an envelope generator that could give you a standard 
output, a synced ramp output a REVERSE output...all in realtime 
and at the same time.  You won't have to imagine this for too 
long..because it's coming (that's a hint).  Now try doing that with 
analog.

As far as filters - I have to agree, analog rules.  But this is not to 
say a dsp filter couldn't be an interesting variant - like if you had 
one amongst a slew of analog filters.  It would be limiting 
however if one only had digital's.  As far as VCOs - computer 
generated waveforms can be very accurate (perfect sine, that 
sort of thing) and unquestionably stable...but IMHO, these two 
parameters aren't the most critical.  Frequency modulation is 
and this is where digital VCOs fall short..very.  Ever try to put a 
chiff transcient on a digital VCO?  In a word:  eeeeeeew.

I think the best rule is to approach each situation independently.  
It's foolish to avoid digita technology just for the sake of insisting 
something be all analog, as if that's more legit, or divine, or as 
you said, pure..  If digital can accomplish a certain task more 
efficiently, more elegently, then do it.  But one must not ingore the 
shortcomings of both mediums - and that's when a good 
engineer would show no prejeduces. 

For instance - the Buchla 200e.  If any engineer was handed a 
written spec for that instrument with the assignment to design it - 
99 out of 100 would approach it exactly the way Don Buchla did.  
You can't do a 200e all analog - can't be done.

So each has it's place.


If the idea with plan b and livewire stuff is to create new and rare 
old modules and tap into the musicians who are trying to make 
new forms etc then some form of digital hybrid and weird alient 
technology is maybe one way forward , not that the 'traditional ' :) 
doesnt get us right out there , i am sure there is the
>  potential in some digital usage to create modules that sound 
cool , their not  ' pure ' in essence but may sound very nice :) its 
all in the ears and the potential it brings . . . .re-invent the wheel  
and upset them oldies :) . . .however i have to respect the mind 
melt of those old circuits . . . . thats what sold me on the Plan b 
stuff . .  . that and the chaos modules from livewire . . . . 
>    
>   cheers
>    
>   matt
>    
>    
>   "(i think you can figure that out)" <peter@...> wrote:
>   MATT!
> 
> Before i answer...have you voted for your preferred Model 18 
> (that's really 18) format yet?  ha ha.
> 
> ANYWAY...no plans to do a wavetable as I have enough 
goodies 
> on the drawing board at Plan B Skunkworks to last 
> me....hmm...10 years?  Nah, not quite THAT long.  
> 
> close though.
> 
> But seriously, I am currently working on six newbies in the "it's 
> been designed, just have to to do the PCB layout" mode, two 
> others in the "seriously in development' mode, and three 
others 
> tht are in whatever mode it's called when you're thinking about 
> them as your driving.
> 
> One that's in the serious development mode is the new Mitlon, 
> and i happen to have another session with the programmer 
this 
> evening (it's a regular rain or shine Sunday evening thing for 
the 
> last couple of months). I bring this one up specifically because 
> alos, it may still change formats (see next letter).
> 
> Mike was talking about a bit -cruncher, we just need to needle 
> him on his thinking that it's a sin to include digital circuits in an 
> analog module!  And you can tell'em i said that - ha ha !
> 
> As far as a wavetable VCO - its come up in think tank 
meetings, 
> but it's not gotten any further than that.
> 
> One I have been  tossing around recently (car mode) is a 
> harmonic generator of sorts - all analog.  First ten harmonics 
via 
> sliders or VCs.  Sine, saw and possibly square outs.
> 
> - P
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "izimizam" 
> <izimizam@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> > 
> >    is a wavetable osc planned still ? maybe with a few twists 
> ;)ppg 
> > waveset etc.Surprised no one has done a Ppg OSc module , 
> maybe the 
> > current wavetatble osc are this .Also wondered if anyone will 
> be doing 
> > a noise generator digital noise type osc like the dark star 
> chaos etc ?
> > or with that 8 bit sound  .Always looking for new forms of 
> strange 
> > noise 
> > 
> > cheers
> > 
> > matt
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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