PLAN B analog blog

We are pleased to announce that the first delivery in a 25 piece "hot
or not???' initial order of Model 31 Buffered Mults will be at
Noisebug by day's end.  The 22nd released product in the Plan B line, the M31 is the first utilizing our new (NON-Cliff) jacks and offers significant patching option and functional improvements over any other mult in the Euro Rack format.

For more info including price and current draw, go here:

http://www.ear-group.net/model_31.html

Next on the blocks:  The Mighty Model 32 and 33 which are currently in
the PCB layout stage...

Hey Peter, I just purchased MX224 buffered mixer/multi and I am 
returning them back to Noisebug because they aren't good for routing 
1v/oct signals. I am going to replace them with Model 31. Can I use 
the Model 31 to multiply 1v/oct signals without significant pitch 
tracking issues?

By the way, did you release any information on the Model 32 and 33? 
(What kind of modules are they?)

Thanks,
-Elan

Elan,

The M31 should be fine with 1V/Oct.  Listen, I'm teaching tonight but
when I get home I'll check mine here.  I'd do it now  but I moved my
Midi interface and I think i plugged some of the I/Os to the wrong
destinations.

I've made careful and accurate voltage measurements and  I'm not
expecting to have an sour news for you, but to avoid pulling a Bush
"Mission Accomplished" Foe-pah (like this one was any worse than his
others?) lemme just triple check.  

Bottom line (and this is a general statement, not meaning to make any
implication to the M31 or your comments here) 1V/oct is a tricky
thing.  I tire of people making statements when analog doesn't behave
like their digital counterparts, but such is the way in this age of
plug ins.


As far as the M32 and M33...drop and give me 20!

There's been a link up on our home page since April which gave an
overview of our new line up.  Go here, click on the right side of the
screen and then click on any of the modules on that page for more info:

http://www.ear-group.net/08new.html

hope this helps,

- P



--- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "argitoth" <argitoth@...>
wrote:

>
> Hey Peter, I just purchased MX224 buffered mixer/multi and I am 
> returning them back to Noisebug because they aren't good for routing 
> 1v/oct signals. I am going to replace them with Model 31. Can I use 
> the Model 31 to multiply 1v/oct signals without significant pitch 
> tracking issues?
> 
> By the way, did you release any information on the Model 32 and 33? 
> (What kind of modules are they?)
> 
> Thanks,
> -Elan
>

Thanks, I'll be waiting for your tests!

Elan,

could you elaborate on why the MX224 was "not good" for 1V/oct? did it
alter the signal? if so did you perhaps measure it? 

I am interested in the MX224, one of the uses would be for 1V/oct, but
mostly as an inverter for envelopes and feedback.

thanks,
-Haven


--- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "argitoth" <argitoth@...>
wrote:

>
> Hey Peter, I just purchased MX224 buffered mixer/multi and I am 
> returning them back to Noisebug because they aren't good for routing 
> 1v/oct signals. I am going to replace them with Model 31. Can I use 
> the Model 31 to multiply 1v/oct signals without significant pitch 
> tracking issues?
> 
> By the way, did you release any information on the Model 32 and 33? 
> (What kind of modules are they?)
> 
> Thanks,
> -Elan
>

I have a number of MX-224's around my modular and they are fine for 
1/v Oct.  He must have gotten a defective one or had an incorrect 
patch setup.  The Model 31 managed to take over the role of 4 MX-
224's and sticks just as well to equal voltage distribution.  

Dan
http://www.REwireMusic.com


--- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "mirror_saw7778" 
<haven1@...> wrote:
>
> Elan,
> 
> could you elaborate on why the MX224 was "not good" for 1V/oct? did 
it
> alter the signal? if so did you perhaps measure it? 
> 
> I am interested in the MX224, one of the uses would be for 1V/oct, 
but
> mostly as an inverter for envelopes and feedback.
> 
> thanks,
> -Haven
> 
> 
> --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "argitoth" <argitoth@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Peter, I just purchased MX224 buffered mixer/multi and I am 
> > returning them back to Noisebug because they aren't good for 
routing 
> > 1v/oct signals. I am going to replace them with Model 31. Can I 
use 
> > the Model 31 to multiply 1v/oct signals without significant pitch 
> > tracking issues?
> > 
> > By the way, did you release any information on the Model 32 and 
33? 

> > (What kind of modules are they?)
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > -Elan
> >
>

Yes, the MX224 is *definitely* bad for 1V/oct signals. For example,
say I route my midi controller 1V/oct out into my oscillator's 1V/oct
in. I play C6 on my keyboard. It plays a perfect C6. Now imagine
sending the 1V/oct from my midi controller to the MX224 and then to
the oscillator. That C6 will become 25 cents out of tune. Ok, well why
not just retune the oscillator back to C6? Well... C5, C4, C3, and C2
notes will all be randomly offtune +/- 5 cents. MX224 causes pitch
tracking to become worse.

Also, for inverting a signal, MX61 is more accurate but if you send a
1v/oct signal, it will drop 40 cents, a little more than the MX224...
so why would I want to keep my MX224? Let me think... Oh yeah. It's
really good for routing signals, but I think won't buy another one.

MODEL 31 BUFFERED MULTI? NOW THAT IS A FRIKKIN AWESOME MODULE! kthx.

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:12 AM, mirror_saw7778 <haven1@gmail.com> wrote:
> Elan,
>
> could you elaborate on why the MX224 was "not good" for 1V/oct? did it
> alter the signal? if so did you perhaps measure it?
>
> I am interested in the MX224, one of the uses would be for 1V/oct, but
> mostly as an inverter for envelopes and feedback.
>
> thanks,
> -Haven
>
> --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "argitoth" <argitoth@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hey Peter, I just purchased MX224 buffered mixer/multi and I am
>> returning them back to Noisebug because they aren't good for routing
>> 1v/oct signals. I am going to replace them with Model 31. Can I use
>> the Model 31 to multiply 1v/oct signals without significant pitch
>> tracking issues?
>>
>> By the way, did you release any information on the Model 32 and 33?
>> (What kind of modules are they?)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Elan
>>
>
> 



-- 
www.elanhickler.com

But lemme defend MX224 with one point. Doepfer A-138c mixer is much
less accurate for inverting as signal. MX224 is pretty good for
anything but rounting 1v/oct.

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Argitoth <argitoth@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, the MX224 is *definitely* bad for 1V/oct signals. For example,
> say I route my midi controller 1V/oct out into my oscillator's 1V/oct
> in. I play C6 on my keyboard. It plays a perfect C6. Now imagine
> sending the 1V/oct from my midi controller to the MX224 and then to
> the oscillator. That C6 will become 25 cents out of tune. Ok, well why
> not just retune the oscillator back to C6? Well... C5, C4, C3, and C2
> notes will all be randomly offtune +/- 5 cents. MX224 causes pitch
> tracking to become worse.
>
> Also, for inverting a signal, MX61 is more accurate but if you send a
> 1v/oct signal, it will drop 40 cents, a little more than the MX224...
> so why would I want to keep my MX224? Let me think... Oh yeah. It's
> really good for routing signals, but I think won't buy another one.
>
> MODEL 31 BUFFERED MULTI? NOW THAT IS A FRIKKIN AWESOME MODULE! kthx.
>
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:12 AM, mirror_saw7778 <haven1@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Elan,
>>
>> could you elaborate on why the MX224 was "not good" for 1V/oct? did it
>> alter the signal? if so did you perhaps measure it?
>>
>> I am interested in the MX224, one of the uses would be for 1V/oct, but
>> mostly as an inverter for envelopes and feedback.
>>
>> thanks,
>> -Haven
>>
>> --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "argitoth" <argitoth@...>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Peter, I just purchased MX224 buffered mixer/multi and I am
>>> returning them back to Noisebug because they aren't good for routing
>>> 1v/oct signals. I am going to replace them with Model 31. Can I use
>>> the Model 31 to multiply 1v/oct signals without significant pitch
>>> tracking issues?
>>>
>>> By the way, did you release any information on the Model 32 and 33?
>>> (What kind of modules are they?)
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -Elan
>>>
>>
>> 
>
>
>
> --
> www.elanhickler.com
>



-- 
www.elanhickler.com

Dan, I ordered THREE from noisebug! I gave back two (the two worst
ones, kept the better 3rd one) with restocking fee. If you're telling
me that I should have gotten a full refund because they were
defective... I'm not going to be happy to find out the modules were
defective. Dan, can you please really make sure that your MX224s are
as good as Model 31 in terms of keeping an accurate signal? I don't
think it's possible that three in a row could be defective.

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Dan Levey <Leftbrain@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> I have a number of MX-224's around my modular and they are fine for
> 1/v Oct. He must have gotten a defective one or had an incorrect
> patch setup. The Model 31 managed to take over the role of 4 MX-
> 224's and sticks just as well to equal voltage distribution.
>
> Dan
> http://www.REwireMusic.com
>
> --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "mirror_saw7778"
> <haven1@...> wrote:
>>
>> Elan,
>>
>> could you elaborate on why the MX224 was "not good" for 1V/oct? did
> it
>> alter the signal? if so did you perhaps measure it?
>>
>> I am interested in the MX224, one of the uses would be for 1V/oct,
> but
>> mostly as an inverter for envelopes and feedback.
>>
>> thanks,
>> -Haven
>>
>>
>> --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "argitoth" <argitoth@>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hey Peter, I just purchased MX224 buffered mixer/multi and I am
>> > returning them back to Noisebug because they aren't good for
> routing
>> > 1v/oct signals. I am going to replace them with Model 31. Can I
> use
>> > the Model 31 to multiply 1v/oct signals without significant pitch
>> > tracking issues?
>> >
>> > By the way, did you release any information on the Model 32 and
> 33?
>> > (What kind of modules are they?)
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > -Elan
>> >
>>
>
> 



-- 
www.elanhickler.com