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All,

In case you didn't see this before, on Monday morning we will be
posting photos and product descriptions of the following, all of which will be released between June and September of 2008:

ELF Series:

Model 23   Analog Shift Register
Model 36   Leveler
Model 37   ELF LFO
Model 38   ELF ADSR
Model 38A  ADSR Expander 
Model 39   Wave Splicer
Model 40   Headphone Preamp

Standard Series:

Model 21C  Mini Milton (18hp)
Model 30   Triple Digital VCO Subsystem (26hp)
Model 30C  Expander for Model 30 (8hp)
Model 31   Buffered Multiple (6hp)
Model 32   Vector Plotter (14hp)
Model 33   Triple VCA (10hp)
Model 34   Switch Logic (10hp)
Model 35   Vector Switch (10hp)

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Subject: [PLAN_B_analog_blog] New product announcements: Monday

All,

In case you didn't see this before, on Monday morning we will be
posting photos and product descriptions of the following, all of which will be released between June and September of 2008:

ELF Series:

Model 23 Analog Shift Register
Model 36 Leveler
Model 37 ELF LFO
Model 38 ELF ADSR
Model 38A ADSR Expander
Model 39 Wave Splicer
Model 40 Headphone Preamp

Standard Series:

Model 21C Mini Milton (18hp)
Model 30 Triple Digital VCO Subsystem (26hp)
Model 30C Expander for Model 30 (8hp)
Model 31 Buffered Multiple (6hp)
Model 32 Vector Plotter (14hp)
Model 33 Triple VCA (10hp)
Model 34 Switch Logic (10hp)
Model 35 Vector Switch (10hp)

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--- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, Tim J <bob_aloha@...> 
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> ahem...
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On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 8:00 AM, (i think you can figure that out)
<peter@buzzclick-music.com> wrote:
> All,
>
>  In case you didn't see this before, on Monday morning we will be
>  posting photos and product descriptions of the following, all of which will
> be released between June and September of 2008:

>  Standard Series:
>
>  Model 31 Buffered Multiple (6hp)

Thanks, Peter. It's about damn time someone made a buffered mult in
doepfer format (I have a bunch in my ASys rig). More useful than most
people realize.

-Brandon

I assume you mean Analogue Systems RS230. Doepfer A-185-2 Precision CV 
Adder can also funtion as a buffered multiple. Both are excellent 
modules. 

--- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "Brandon Daniel" <bdu@...> 
wrote:

> Thanks, Peter. It's about damn time someone made a buffered mult in
> doepfer format (I have a bunch in my ASys rig). More useful than most
> people realize.
> 
> -Brandon

very nice looking modules, but where is model 15A?

This is a very good point.  Let me give you the 411.

There are workings one-offs of every module I announced this morning. 
Some have been up and running since last early last fall - the Model 
30 amoung them, although in that it exsists in software we are making changes and adding fetaures all the time.  

As far as the hardware however, the circuits announced this morning are all complete and final. I am now in the middle of the PCB art for the Elfs which is the first wave of the newbies. In short, everything I announced today is a go, working and outside of pcb art, complete.  One issue that was slowing these down was the nuts to the new jacks, as many of these new ones cannot be built with Cliffs. Their faceplate topography is such that they are way too dense for the vertically mounted Cliffs.

The 15A however still has one feature that I am not happy with - the 
1 up/ 1 down octave switch.  The circuit i had was not stable 
enough.  You'd set the up/down margins and in a few weeks they were 
both off.  SO in this respect, the 15A is not at the same stage of 
development as the others.

The good news, I think I've come to a solution by utilizing voltage 
references instead of trim pots to set these linmits.  I've not yet 
tested it.  My plan was if I was able to get to that by the time the 
rest of the Elfs are ready to be released that I'd throw it in with 
those and announce it at that time. 

Keep in mind that along with these 15 modules are three cases 
currently under development. It's an exciting and challenging time.  
Exciting because system-level Plan B's are clearly in sight. 
Challenging because there is much to do, and just so many hours in 
the day to do it...

- P



--- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "astroschnautzer" 
<astroschnautzer@...> wrote:

>
> very nice looking modules, but where is model 15A?
>

On Apr 21, 2008, at 11:46 AM, astroschnautzer wrote:
> very nice looking modules, but where is model 15A?


Or the mythical model 28 expanders?

-C

Chris Muir
cbm@well.com	
http://www.xfade.com

Now if you can make a Music Easel you would clean up...sooooo much 
demand for something like this :-)


>
>

I'm looking at it right now and I see: Mini Milton + ELF LFO + ELF 
ADSR + Heisenberg + 3x VCO + Dual LPG + Headphone Pre = a good chunk 
of the features of the 208.  You would need to add reverb, balanced 
modulation, mic pre, inverter, patch saving, and (of course) a touch 
controller.  From the looks of the new modules, it looks possible to 
have a uniquely Plan-b instrument with more feature than an easel in 
a similar portable package.

Matt 



--- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, amnesia <amni56@...> wrote:

>
> Now if you can make a Music Easel you would clean up...sooooo much 
> demand for something like this :-)
> 
> 
> >
> >
>

Well, hopin for some quick problem solvery :) quite a boring module but it would be so 
useful.... anyway the other ELF modules seem to be very interesting and useful...any ideas 
on price yet?

-Wille


--- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "(i think you can figure that out)" 
<peter@...> wrote:
>
> This is a very good point.  Let me give you the 411.
> 
> There are workings one-offs of every module I announced this morning.
> Some have been up and running since last early last fall - the Model
> 30 amoung them, although in that it exsists in software we are making changes and 
adding fetaures all the time.
> 
> As far as the hardware however, the circuits announced this morning are all complete 
and final. I am now in the middle of the PCB art for the Elfs which is the first wave of the 
newbies. In short, everything I announced today is a go, working and outside of pcb art, 
complete.  One issue that was slowing these down was the nuts to the new jacks, as many 
of these new ones cannot be built with Cliffs. Their faceplate topography is such that they 
are way too dense for the vertically mounted Cliffs.

> 
> The 15A however still has one feature that I am not happy with - the
> 1 up/ 1 down octave switch.  The circuit i had was not stable
> enough.  You'd set the up/down margins and in a few weeks they were
> both off.  SO in this respect, the 15A is not at the same stage of
> development as the others.
> 
> The good news, I think I've come to a solution by utilizing voltage
> references instead of trim pots to set these linmits.  I've not yet
> tested it.  My plan was if I was able to get to that by the time the
> rest of the Elfs are ready to be released that I'd throw it in with
> those and announce it at that time.
> 
> Keep in mind that along with these 15 modules are three cases
> currently under development. It's an exciting and challenging time.
> Exciting because system-level Plan B's are clearly in sight.
> Challenging because there is much to do, and just so many hours in
> the day to do it...
> 
> - P
> 
> 
> 
> --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "astroschnautzer"
> <astroschnautzer@> wrote:
> >
> > very nice looking modules, but where is model 15A?
> >
>

The cases which are under development now include a rack system and
two desktop chassis, one single and one double width.  I suppose they
could be used on the road but it would require an outer shell. 
Possibly when these are released we will address mobile solutions.

Presently we are working on the power system.  There is a lot of
banter about the ills of using switching power supplies for powering
synthesizers, and while all of the instances which come up in these
discussions are just, none of them make the case that it's bad
technology, just that is can be troublesome wen not handled correctly.
What I'm saying is I'm not convinced by any means.  I would really
like to use switching supplies.  They're much more efficient, they
save the user and the planet energy, they're lighter and they take
much less space. This is where we are with the cases.

Even though Buchla's e is largely digital, there is a lot of audio circuitry and he is running this system on a switcher. If Don is willing to take this risk so am I.

Chris Muir...you have inside experience with Salamander, do you have any feelings on this?

- P  



--- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "Igor Medeiros"
<igormpc@...> wrote:
>
> this topic really makes me want to hear more about the new cases...
> 3 types, just big university systems ?
> or any small enough to travel with / play live ?
> 
> or some motivity news?
>
http://launch.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/PLAN_B_analog_blog/photos/view/abc9?b=7
> 
> :)
> 
> 
> On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 2:12 AM, mritenburg <mritenburg@...> wrote:
> 
> >   I'm looking at it right now and I see: Mini Milton + ELF LFO + ELF
> > ADSR + Heisenberg + 3x VCO + Dual LPG + Headphone Pre = a good chunk
> > of the features of the 208. You would need to add reverb, balanced
> > modulation, mic pre, inverter, patch saving, and (of course) a touch
> > controller. From the looks of the new modules, it looks possible to
> > have a uniquely Plan-b instrument with more feature than an easel in
> > a similar portable package.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> > --- In
PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com<PLAN_B_analog_blog%40yahoogroups.com>,

> > amnesia <amni56@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Now if you can make a Music Easel you would clean up...sooooo much
> > > demand for something like this :-)
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >  
> >
>

The big issues with switchers is the ripple and frequency which they 
oscillate (they are named as they are because the current actually 
turns on and off many times second).  If they're switching rate is in 
the audio band, you're f'd.  We are looking into ones that ocsillate 
in the 60K range so we're fine. The ripple out of the gate on 
switchers is huge, over 100 mv, ten times the amount of a linear 
supply.  But this can be filtered and regulated.  Botton line, to 
compensate for their rather huge energy defecit (thank you, Emron), 
legislation is in the works in California that will make it illegal 
to product machinery which operates on linear supplies with the 
exception of emergency medical equipment. SO unless we start making a 
defibulator module we will have problems in the future anyway.

- P




--- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, Chris Muir <cbm@...> wrote:
>
> 
> While I may have described the Salamander (SMS) power supply system 
as  
> overkill, it was only so in the cost / weight department. In the  
> stability department it is really terrific. I have never used a 
more  
> stable analog synth. The combination of system wide coarse 
regulation,  
> local +/- 15V regulation, and system wide clean & dirty ground 
really  
> made for a clean power supply. As I think I mentioned before, once 
a  
> module was tuned, it could be swapped into another system, and 
retain  
> its tuning, because of the local regulation.
> 
> That said, I love the way the supply works in my 200e. The fact 
that  
> the switchers are hidden under the buss board of the middle boat, 
and  
> that the switchers use the aluminum case as a heat sink is really  
> clever. It makes the system really light, too. I love that the 
200e  
> takes DC input, also. I have visions of playing the 200e in a 
field  
> somewhere with a solar panel.
> 
> I have no experience in running all-analog VCOs on this power 
supply,  
> but I bet it would work fine. Buchla is meticulous about this 
stuff. I  
> may find out when Cyndustries ships their ZOe.
> 
> The historic, perceived, problems with using switchers for analog  
> systems fall into two main areas: radiated RF and ground noise. 
The  
> ground noise issue, if it even exists with modern switchers, could 
be  
> taken care of with an appropriate bypass cap / power distribution  
> scheme. If the RF radiation thing was a problem with modern 
switchers,  
> it would show up in the 200e, I think (and it doesn't.) The spacing 
is  
> really tight between the switching supplies and the modules in the  
> middle boat.
> 
> –C
> 
> On Apr 22, 2008, at 9:36 AM, (i think you can figure that out) 
wrote:
> > The cases which are under development now include a rack system 
and
> > two desktop chassis, one single and one double width. I suppose 
they
> > could be used on the road but it would require an outer shell.
> > Possibly when these are released we will address mobile solutions.
> >
> > Presently we are working on the power system. There is a lot of
> > banter about the ills of using switching power supplies for 
powering
> > synthesizers, and while all of the instances which come up in 
these
> > discussions are just, none of them make the case that it's bad
> > technology, just that is can be troublesome wen not handled 
correctly.
> > What I'm saying is I'm not convinced by any means. I would really
> > like to use switching supplies. They're much more efficient, they
> > save the user and the planet energy, they're lighter and they take
> > much less space. This is where we are with the cases.
> >
> > Even though Buchla's e is largely digital, there is a lot of 
audio  
> > circuitry and he is running this system on a switcher. If Don is  
> > willing to take this risk so am I.
> >
> > Chris Muir...you have inside experience with Salamander, do you 
have  
> > any feelings on this?
> >
> > - P
> >
> > --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "Igor Medeiros"
> > <igormpc@> wrote:
> > >
> > > this topic really makes me want to hear more about the new 
cases...
> > > 3 types, just big university systems ?
> > > or any small enough to travel with / play live ?
> > >
> > > or some motivity news?
> > >
> > 
http://launch.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/PLAN_B_analog_blog/photos/view
/abc9?b=7
> > >
> > > :)
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 2:12 AM, mritenburg <mritenburg@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm looking at it right now and I see: Mini Milton + ELF LFO 
+ ELF
> > > > ADSR + Heisenberg + 3x VCO + Dual LPG + Headphone Pre = a 
good  
> > chunk
> > > > of the features of the 208. You would need to add reverb, 
balanced
> > > > modulation, mic pre, inverter, patch saving, and (of course) 
a  
> > touch
> > > > controller. From the looks of the new modules, it looks 
possible  
> > to
> > > > have a uniquely Plan-b instrument with more feature than an  
> > easel in
> > > > a similar portable package.
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > > --- In
> > PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com<PLAN_B_analog_blog 
> > %40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > amnesia <amni56@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Now if you can make a Music Easel you would clean 
up...sooooo  

> > much
> > > > > demand for something like this :-)
> > > > >
> >
> 
> Chris Muir
> cbm@...	
> http://www.xfade.com
>

This would be great,  but the Deopfer maximum depth spec of 4 inches 
makes this challenging to engineer elegantly. 

You guys want to see my concept drawings?





--- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "Brandon Daniel" <bdu@...> 
wrote:

>
> On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:58 AM, Igor Medeiros <igormpc@...> wrote:
> 
> > this topic really makes me want to hear more about the new cases...
> > 3 types, just big university systems ?
> > or any small enough to travel with / play live ?
> 
> Speaking of cases, someone really needs to follow this guy's lead and
> make a case like this for eurorack modules, it would clean up, I'd
> bet!
> 
> http://electro-music.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25735
> 
> -Brandon
> 
> PS, love the new module lineup, especially the ELF series, great work.
>

While I may have described the Salamander (SMS) power supply system as  
overkill, it was only so in the cost / weight department. In the  
stability department it is really terrific. I have never used a more  
stable analog synth. The combination of system wide coarse regulation,  
local +/- 15V regulation, and system wide clean & dirty ground really  
made for a clean power supply. As I think I mentioned before, once a  
module was tuned, it could be swapped into another system, and retain  
its tuning, because of the local regulation.

That said, I love the way the supply works in my 200e. The fact that  
the switchers are hidden under the buss board of the middle boat, and  
that the switchers use the aluminum case as a heat sink is really  
clever. It makes the system really light, too. I love that the 200e  
takes DC input, also. I have visions of playing the 200e in a field  
somewhere with a solar panel.

I have no experience in running all-analog VCOs on this power supply,  
but I bet it would work fine. Buchla is meticulous about this stuff. I  
may find out when Cyndustries ships their ZOe.

The historic, perceived, problems with using switchers for analog  
systems fall into two main areas: radiated RF and ground noise. The  
ground noise issue, if it even exists with modern switchers, could be  
taken care of with an appropriate bypass cap / power distribution  
scheme. If the RF radiation thing was a problem with modern switchers,  
it would show up in the 200e, I think (and it doesn't.) The spacing is  
really tight between the switching supplies and the modules in the  
middle boat.

–C

On Apr 22, 2008, at 9:36 AM, (i think you can figure that out) wrote:
> The cases which are under development now include a rack system and
> two desktop chassis, one single and one double width. I suppose they
> could be used on the road but it would require an outer shell.
> Possibly when these are released we will address mobile solutions.
>
> Presently we are working on the power system. There is a lot of
> banter about the ills of using switching power supplies for powering
> synthesizers, and while all of the instances which come up in these
> discussions are just, none of them make the case that it's bad
> technology, just that is can be troublesome wen not handled correctly.
> What I'm saying is I'm not convinced by any means. I would really
> like to use switching supplies. They're much more efficient, they
> save the user and the planet energy, they're lighter and they take
> much less space. This is where we are with the cases.
>
> Even though Buchla's e is largely digital, there is a lot of audio  
> circuitry and he is running this system on a switcher. If Don is  
> willing to take this risk so am I.
>
> Chris Muir...you have inside experience with Salamander, do you have  
> any feelings on this?
>
> - P
>
> --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "Igor Medeiros"
> <igormpc@...> wrote:
> >
> > this topic really makes me want to hear more about the new cases...
> > 3 types, just big university systems ?
> > or any small enough to travel with / play live ?
> >
> > or some motivity news?
> >
> http://launch.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/PLAN_B_analog_blog/photos/view/abc9?b=7
> >
> > :)
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 2:12 AM, mritenburg <mritenburg@...> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm looking at it right now and I see: Mini Milton + ELF LFO + ELF
> > > ADSR + Heisenberg + 3x VCO + Dual LPG + Headphone Pre = a good  
> chunk
> > > of the features of the 208. You would need to add reverb, balanced
> > > modulation, mic pre, inverter, patch saving, and (of course) a  
> touch
> > > controller. From the looks of the new modules, it looks possible  
> to
> > > have a uniquely Plan-b instrument with more feature than an  
> easel in
> > > a similar portable package.
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > > --- In
> PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com<PLAN_B_analog_blog 
> %40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > amnesia <amni56@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Now if you can make a Music Easel you would clean up...sooooo  
> much
> > > > demand for something like this :-)
> > > >
>

Chris Muir
cbm@well.com	
http://www.xfade.com

OK,  I have to wait until I get home, all this stuff is on my Mac. 
I'll do it tonight




--- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "Brandon Daniel" <bdu@...>
wrote:

>
> On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 11:58 AM, (i think you can figure that out)
> <peter@...> wrote:
> > This would be great, but the Deopfer maximum depth spec of 4 inches
> >  makes this challenging to engineer elegantly.
> 
> I would assume this would require an external power brick of some sort
> and fairly low-profile distro boards to make the dimensions
> reasonable... but I figured you'd already considered all of this and
> discarded it for a reason. Still, you know a majority us planB freaks
> have a massive case of buchla-envy.
> 
> >  You guys want to see my concept drawings?
> 
> Sure, why not? ;0)
> 
> -Brandon
>

On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:58 AM, Igor Medeiros <igormpc@gmail.com> wrote:

> this topic really makes me want to hear more about the new cases...
> 3 types, just big university systems ?
> or any small enough to travel with / play live ?

Speaking of cases, someone really needs to follow this guy's lead and
make a case like this for eurorack modules, it would clean up, I'd
bet!

http://electro-music.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25735

-Brandon

PS, love the new module lineup, especially the ELF series, great work.

On Apr 22, 2008, at 11:58 AM, (i think you can figure that out) wrote:
> You guys want to see my concept drawings?


Sure.

–C

Chris Muir
cbm@well.com	
http://www.xfade.com

I can't believe nobody sells a reasonably priced euro
frame that fits into a 19" SKB.  Blacet/Paia have this
figured out for frac.... euro you have to spend 500
damn dollars for a metal frame from doepfer...  If
anyone designed a cost effective case for euro they
would in deed clean up. Period. 

This is the sole reason why ALOT of people refuse to
go euro because it pisses them off they have to get
thru this step to even begin buying modules in this
format. Just my .02

[Luigi LaValle-/www.virb.com/EPINASTY/]


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On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 11:58 AM, (i think you can figure that out)
<peter@buzzclick-music.com> wrote:
> This would be great, but the Deopfer maximum depth spec of 4 inches
>  makes this challenging to engineer elegantly.

I would assume this would require an external power brick of some sort
and fairly low-profile distro boards to make the dimensions
reasonable... but I figured you'd already considered all of this and
discarded it for a reason. Still, you know a majority us planB freaks
have a massive case of buchla-envy.

>  You guys want to see my concept drawings?

Sure, why not? ;0)

-Brandon

On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Ryan Dean <ehdyn81@gmail.com> wrote:

> P.S. Brandon D. - Korg's knobs are slipping too. The microX knobs are
> extremely chintzy.
> Hope they return to a solid feel for upcoming products.

If I had any input on mechanicals for any Korg products (or indeed, on
any aspect of anything that isn't in the OASYS line), I'd reply to
that. Sadly, I don't get any say on that sort of thing, so I'll have
to sigh and leave it at "no comment". I will say that I noticed that
the knobs on the RADIAS don't grip the pot very tightly, and have
reported that problem outward, hopefully they'll try to rectify that
on future products.

-Brandon

The cost of a case is the thing that kept me from getting a modular for years.  I finally 
couldn't resist any more.  I do know that if I could get cheaper cases, i'd spend a lot more 
on modules (and so many Plan B look nice)!

I'd love to see the drawings too.  


--- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "(i think you can figure that out)" 
<peter@...> wrote:

>
> OK,  I have to wait until I get home, all this stuff is on my Mac. 
> I'll do it tonight
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "Brandon Daniel" <bdu@>
> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 11:58 AM, (i think you can figure that out)
> > <peter@> wrote:
> > > This would be great, but the Deopfer maximum depth spec of 4 inches
> > >  makes this challenging to engineer elegantly.
> > 
> > I would assume this would require an external power brick of some sort
> > and fairly low-profile distro boards to make the dimensions
> > reasonable... but I figured you'd already considered all of this and
> > discarded it for a reason. Still, you know a majority us planB freaks
> > have a massive case of buchla-envy.
> > 
> > >  You guys want to see my concept drawings?
> > 
> > Sure, why not? ;0)
> > 
> > -Brandon
> >
>

>
>
> Even though Buchla's e is largely digital, there is a lot of audio  
> circuitry and he is running this system on a switcher. If Don is  
> willing to take this risk so am I.
>


that's why i've got 2 phihong 45W switchers.  i think i need JL to  
tweak em, as they seem to have ripple, but it's only an issue when  
tuning the VCOs so far.   so, so far so good

go for it!!!!!

i've got a wooden case happening for my synth and have 2 Scroff 19"  
Eurorack frames I don't need anymore, and the sale of which would pay  
for the wood case


hit me off-list if interested

thanks
BRAD

you guys just arent looking in the right places, i have 8 euroracks and 
paid no more than $40 for each....computer surplus stores, and ebay for 
computer racks

madapples1 wrote:

>
> The cost of a case is the thing that kept me from getting a modular 
> for years. I finally
> couldn't resist any more. I do know that if I could get cheaper cases, 
> i'd spend a lot more
> on modules (and so many Plan B look nice)!
>
> I'd love to see the drawings too.
>
> --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:PLAN_B_analog_blog%40yahoogroups.com>, "(i think you can 
> figure that out)"
> <peter@...> wrote:
> >
> > OK, I have to wait until I get home, all this stuff is on my Mac.
> > I'll do it tonight
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:PLAN_B_analog_blog%40yahoogroups.com>, "Brandon Daniel" <bdu@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 11:58 AM, (i think you can figure that out)
> > > <peter@> wrote:
> > > > This would be great, but the Deopfer maximum depth spec of 4 inches
> > > > makes this challenging to engineer elegantly.
> > >
> > > I would assume this would require an external power brick of some sort
> > > and fairly low-profile distro boards to make the dimensions
> > > reasonable... but I figured you'd already considered all of this and
> > > discarded it for a reason. Still, you know a majority us planB freaks
> > > have a massive case of buchla-envy.
> > >
> > > > You guys want to see my concept drawings?
> > >
> > > Sure, why not? ;0)
> > >
> > > -Brandon
> > >
> >
>
>