Mellotronists

"I think as an idea the Optigan/orchestron/chilton talentmaker disc is
great. The loops and sounds are really interesting. Amazing to have all the
discs ready to go...

The only question I have is always going to be in that sample directory "
where is the sound I want ? " feeling.

If I would be stepping through samples and stumbled across Stylophone
#1....I don't think the odds are that great that I'd use it. But with a real
one when you understand how your playing effects the sound et.c it makes a
lot more sense.

When someone sits down at an Optigan, Orchestron or a Chilton talentmaker in
my studio it usually just takes somewhere between 5 - 10 minutes before that
person says " I have written a song ! ".

Would people spend that time with a keyboard attached to a sampler or a
computer ?"


Well written and timely post, Mattias, and something that I've been giving a
lot of thought to lately...

I have a lot of the wonderful quirky keyboards in my studio (Claviolines,
Optigans, Clavinets, a Stylophone, and until recently, a Chamberlin), but
I'm in the process of setting up a stand-alone sampler/keybaord to try to
duplicate these machines without all the hassle of maintenance.

Since I've had the experience of actually playing the real machines, I think
I can make the system work *for me*, but yeah, I'm gonna miss all those
moments of watching the faces absolutely light up the first time those
fingers hit the Chamberlin...

Anyway, here's the question....

I'm not recording with computers (analog tape and sometimes DA38s for me),
and want to set this system up, but know *nothing* about samplers, MIDI, and
controllers.  
I've searched for hours on the Mellotronists archives, and found some
wonderful and useful info, but thought I'd run it past the group again...

Can someone recommend a specific model of sampler (Akai CD3000i, Emu e6400,
etc.), or maybe a sampler/keyboard (Motif ES, Fantom, Triton, etc.) that
would match up well with the Pinder sample CD?  Something that might be easy
to program for a few specific tasks and is intuitive to run?

I don't need all the bells, whistles, and synths that seem to go along with
the modern keybaord/samplers, just a sampler and keyboard controller for
doing the Pinder, Optigan, and maybe Clavioline sample CDs..

I've been leaning towards a Nord keyboard as a controller, which has some
great Clavinet sounds which would be useful, or so I've heard.  But which
sampler?

In short, I'm *the* guy ("you gotta be crazy to buy one of those!") that the
Memotron folks are trolling for, and I'm even considering one.
But I think I can set up a system that might be more useful for me...

Anyway, thanks in advance for any advice....
I'm all ears...
Bruce
-- 
Check out the Orcas Island Tonewoods website at:
http://www.rockisland.com/~tonewoods
Check out the liner notes to my CD "Mandolin Graffiti" at:
http://www.bruceharvie.com

If you ever adopt a completely tapeless studio and end
up with a computer for your recording needs, there are
a good dozen soft samplers out there that work
great...AND are integrated into the recording
environment in a fairly elegant way. Gigasampler,
Logic Audio's EXS24 et. al.

Otherwise, just find yourself a good AKAI or Emu
sampler, used on ebay maybe. Be sure it has SCSI 2,
get yourself a BIG hard drive to hang off it, convert
and load the sample disks to the drive and you're set
to go. If you convert them and *then* save to disk,
the sampler can reload them in it's native
format...MUCH faster load times. Plus, you can
configure the volumes, rename etc all you like.

For new stuff, the Korg Triton works pretty well for
this idea, but it's expensive.

Mark.

--- Bruce Harvie <tonewoods@...> wrote:

> "I think as an idea the Optigan/orchestron/chilton
> talentmaker disc is
> great. The loops and sounds are really interesting.
> Amazing to have all the
> discs ready to go...
> 
> The only question I have is always going to be in
> that sample directory "
> where is the sound I want ? " feeling.
> 
> If I would be stepping through samples and stumbled
> across Stylophone
> #1....I don't think the odds are that great that I'd
> use it. But with a real
> one when you understand how your playing effects the
> sound et.c it makes a
> lot more sense.
> 
> When someone sits down at an Optigan, Orchestron or
> a Chilton talentmaker in
> my studio it usually just takes somewhere between 5
> - 10 minutes before that
> person says " I have written a song ! ".
> 
> Would people spend that time with a keyboard
> attached to a sampler or a
> computer ?"
> 
> 
> Well written and timely post, Mattias, and something
> that I've been giving a
> lot of thought to lately...
> 
> I have a lot of the wonderful quirky keyboards in my
> studio (Claviolines,
> Optigans, Clavinets, a Stylophone, and until
> recently, a Chamberlin), but
> I'm in the process of setting up a stand-alone
> sampler/keybaord to try to
> duplicate these machines without all the hassle of
> maintenance.
> 
> Since I've had the experience of actually playing
> the real machines, I think
> I can make the system work *for me*, but yeah, I'm
> gonna miss all those
> moments of watching the faces absolutely light up
> the first time those
> fingers hit the Chamberlin...
> 
> Anyway, here's the question....
> 
> I'm not recording with computers (analog tape and
> sometimes DA38s for me),
> and want to set this system up, but know *nothing*
> about samplers, MIDI, and
> controllers.  
> I've searched for hours on the Mellotronists
> archives, and found some
> wonderful and useful info, but thought I'd run it
> past the group again...
> 
> Can someone recommend a specific model of sampler
> (Akai CD3000i, Emu e6400,
> etc.), or maybe a sampler/keyboard (Motif ES,
> Fantom, Triton, etc.) that
> would match up well with the Pinder sample CD? 
> Something that might be easy
> to program for a few specific tasks and is intuitive
> to run?
> 
> I don't need all the bells, whistles, and synths
> that seem to go along with
> the modern keybaord/samplers, just a sampler and
> keyboard controller for
> doing the Pinder, Optigan, and maybe Clavioline
> sample CDs..
> 
> I've been leaning towards a Nord keyboard as a
> controller, which has some
> great Clavinet sounds which would be useful, or so
> I've heard.  But which
> sampler?
> 
> In short, I'm *the* guy ("you gotta be crazy to buy
> one of those!") that the
> Memotron folks are trolling for, and I'm even
> considering one.
> But I think I can set up a system that might be more
> useful for me...
> 
> Anyway, thanks in advance for any advice....
> I'm all ears...
> Bruce
> -- 
> Check out the Orcas Island Tonewoods website at:
> http://www.rockisland.com/~tonewoods
> Check out the liner notes to my CD "Mandolin
> Graffiti" at:
> http://www.bruceharvie.com
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Bruce,

This is the reason why I started sampling and offering samples to my
colleagues on my website. I would hate to have to turn on my Mellotron
everytime I wanted that sound. And performing live, that's a whole other
story.

I now have a Yamaha Motif ES7 loaded with the Pinder tron samples and  my
own Mellotron, Farfisa, Vox, Gibson, and Hammond B3 samples. I have an
amazing variety of classic keyboards (that reside safely in my studio) all
at my fingertips on one board!

Reviewing your comments below I suggest you go with the Motif, Fantom, or
Triton keyboards. Make sure you get as much sample memory as possible (The
Motif ES can have as much as 1GB!).

  -----Original Message-----



  Can someone recommend a specific model of sampler (Akai CD3000i, Emu
e6400,
  etc.), or maybe a sampler/keyboard (Motif ES, Fantom, Triton, etc.) that
  would match up well with the Pinder sample CD?  Something that might be
easy
  to program for a few specific tasks and is intuitive to run?

  I don't need all the bells, whistles, and synths that seem to go along
with
  the modern keybaord/samplers, just a sampler and keyboard controller for
  doing the Pinder, Optigan, and maybe Clavioline sample CDs..

  I've been leaning towards a Nord keyboard as a controller, which has some
  great Clavinet sounds which would be useful, or so I've heard.  But which
  sampler?

  In short, I'm *the* guy ("you gotta be crazy to buy one of those!") that
the
  Memotron folks are trolling for, and I'm even considering one.
  But I think I can set up a system that might be more useful for me...

  Anyway, thanks in advance for any advice....
  I'm all ears...
  Bruce
  --
  Check out the Orcas Island Tonewoods website at:
  http://www.rockisland.com/~tonewoods
  Check out the liner notes to my CD "Mandolin Graffiti" at:
  http://www.bruceharvie.com





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I highly recommend the Emu E4K if you can find one..(or E4 module) 76 keys....great 
controllers/sliders and filters/fx. I have the Pinder CD plus samples of my old M400 on it 
and it sounds great. Steve Hackett's keyboardist uses one live.






--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Harvie <tonewoods@...> wrote:

>
> "I think as an idea the Optigan/orchestron/chilton talentmaker disc is
> great. The loops and sounds are really interesting. Amazing to have all the
> discs ready to go...
> 
> The only question I have is always going to be in that sample directory "
> where is the sound I want ? " feeling.
> 
> If I would be stepping through samples and stumbled across Stylophone
> #1....I don't think the odds are that great that I'd use it. But with a real
> one when you understand how your playing effects the sound et.c it makes a
> lot more sense.
> 
> When someone sits down at an Optigan, Orchestron or a Chilton talentmaker in
> my studio it usually just takes somewhere between 5 - 10 minutes before that
> person says " I have written a song ! ".
> 
> Would people spend that time with a keyboard attached to a sampler or a
> computer ?"
> 
> 
> Well written and timely post, Mattias, and something that I've been giving a
> lot of thought to lately...
> 
> I have a lot of the wonderful quirky keyboards in my studio (Claviolines,
> Optigans, Clavinets, a Stylophone, and until recently, a Chamberlin), but
> I'm in the process of setting up a stand-alone sampler/keybaord to try to
> duplicate these machines without all the hassle of maintenance.
> 
> Since I've had the experience of actually playing the real machines, I think
> I can make the system work *for me*, but yeah, I'm gonna miss all those
> moments of watching the faces absolutely light up the first time those
> fingers hit the Chamberlin...
> 
> Anyway, here's the question....
> 
> I'm not recording with computers (analog tape and sometimes DA38s for me),
> and want to set this system up, but know *nothing* about samplers, MIDI, and
> controllers.  
> I've searched for hours on the Mellotronists archives, and found some
> wonderful and useful info, but thought I'd run it past the group again...
> 
> Can someone recommend a specific model of sampler (Akai CD3000i, Emu e6400,
> etc.), or maybe a sampler/keyboard (Motif ES, Fantom, Triton, etc.) that
> would match up well with the Pinder sample CD?  Something that might be easy
> to program for a few specific tasks and is intuitive to run?
> 
> I don't need all the bells, whistles, and synths that seem to go along with
> the modern keybaord/samplers, just a sampler and keyboard controller for
> doing the Pinder, Optigan, and maybe Clavioline sample CDs..
> 
> I've been leaning towards a Nord keyboard as a controller, which has some
> great Clavinet sounds which would be useful, or so I've heard.  But which
> sampler?
> 
> In short, I'm *the* guy ("you gotta be crazy to buy one of those!") that the
> Memotron folks are trolling for, and I'm even considering one.
> But I think I can set up a system that might be more useful for me...
> 
> Anyway, thanks in advance for any advice....
> I'm all ears...
> Bruce
> -- 
> Check out the Orcas Island Tonewoods website at:
> http://www.rockisland.com/~tonewoods
> Check out the liner notes to my CD "Mandolin Graffiti" at:
> http://www.bruceharvie.com
>