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Fw: [Mellotronists] Re: Roxy M400 live 1974

2006-03-11 by jonesalley

Sort of an 1890's Birotron, then? (Take it from me, lay off the "snow.")

>>>

Now THATS a nifty lo-fi pre-tron throw-back idea put 35 wax cylinders on a constantly spinning shaft, and have the keyboard actuate the setting of the needle onto the groove and the needle snaps back to the start of the groove every time you lift the key.hmmmmmI guess youd need 35 horns, too.Can you imagine the sounds coming out of something like that?!?

Vance just a little snow-crazy in SoCal

Re: Fw: [Mellotronists] Re: Roxy M400 live 1974

2006-03-12 by lsf5275@aol.com

In a message dated 3/11/2006 6:08:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jonesalley@... writes:

and the needle snaps  back to the start of the groove every time you lift the 
key….hmmmmm……I guess you’d need 35 horns, too…….Can you imagine  the 
sounds coming out of something like that?!?
All attack and less than zero aftertouch.

Fw: [Mellotronists] Re: Roxy M400 live 1974 (+ King Crimson Live!)

2006-03-12 by mlcsixand78s

In response to earlier posting on this subject:

LIVE CRIMSON _ LO-FI
Yes some of the earliest live Krimson recordings released are lo-fi.
But many of the gigs from the Wallace & Wetton eras have very good 
fidelity. I have many of the KC kCollectors Kclub releases. I highly 
recommend them.  

KC 1ST LINE UP RECORDINGS
Since the earliest Crimso was so long ago I heard rumor that T. 
Edison attended some of the first US gigs... hmm? Maybe a Detroit 
gig?  Perhaps Thomas Edison made some boot recordings of Crimso? 
Maybe Fripp got a hold of these original disks and used them for some 
of the 'Club releases ...  
... (haaa, what, huh, where am I? ohhh, what a strange dream).

EDISON DISCOTRON? (or CYLIDRICA-TRON?) (or WAX-CYLI-TRON)?
Wow, what a beast that would be. All those disks, styli, horns, etc. 
used as a "sampler/playback" instrument. It could even be powered 
with a small steam engine! Think of it! THE ULTIMATE ANALOG (or is 
that analouge?)instrument. No electronics needed! What a dream! If 
there was a power cut during a gig the 'Edi-Tron-ist' and drummer 
could keep playing happily along, improvising a "duo/solo" to keep 
the audience happy.
... ahh, but on stage there might be some technical issues with very 
low freq. vibrations from, for example, bassists of Wetton 
proportions or drummers with a Bonzo like bass drum foot. This could 
have all those styli hopping around like a crowd of punkers in a mosh 
pit.

OK, enuff. back to reality for me. 

;)

--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 3/11/2006 6:08:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> jonesalley@... writes:
> 
> and the needle snaps  back to the start of the groove every time 
you lift the 
> keyâ¦.hmmmmmâ¦â¦I guess youâd need 35 horns, tooâ¦â¦.Can you 
imagine  the

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> sounds coming out of something like that?!?
> All attack and less than zero aftertouch.
>

RE: [Mellotronists] Re: Roxy M400 live 1974 (+ King Crimson Live!)

2006-03-12 by David Jacques

When you think about how those 1969 Crimson live tapes were recorded, it is amazing that any fidelity had survived. I believe that the Fillmore East tapes were from an ancient cassette deck held by someone in the audience. I had one of those when I was 13.

To hear the incredible drumming by Michael Giles, even in lo-fi, is just mind-boggling... Has anyone, besides Fripp, truly appreciated his genius?

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-----Original Message-----
From: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of mlcsixand78s
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:14 AM
To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Fw: [Mellotronists] Re: Roxy M400 live 1974 (+ King Crimson Live!)

In response to earlier posting on this subject:

LIVE CRIMSON _ LO-FI
Yes some of the earliest live Krimson recordings released are lo-fi.
But many of the gigs from the Wallace & Wetton eras have very good
fidelity. I have many of the KC kCollectors Kclub releases. I highly
recommend them.

KC 1ST LINE UP RECORDINGS
Since the earliest Crimso was so long ago I heard rumor that T.
Edison attended some of the first US gigs... hmm? Maybe a Detroit
gig? Perhaps Thomas Edison made some boot recordings of Crimso?
Maybe Fripp got a hold of these original disks and used them for some
of the 'Club releases ...
... (haaa, what, huh, where am I? ohhh, what a strange dream).

EDISON DISCOTRON? (or CYLIDRICA-TRON?) (or WAX-CYLI-TRON)?
Wow, what a beast that would be. All those disks, styli, horns, etc.
used as a "sampler/playback" instrument. It could even be powered
with a small steam engine! Think of it! THE ULTIMATE ANALOG (or is
that analouge?)instrument. No electronics needed! What a dream! If
there was a power cut during a gig the 'Edi-Tron-ist' and drummer
could keep playing happily along, improvising a "duo/solo" to keep
the audience happy.
... ahh, but on stage there might be some technical issues with very
low freq. vibrations from, for example, bassists of Wetton
proportions or drummers with a Bonzo like bass drum foot. This could
have all those styli hopping around like a crowd of punkers in a mosh
pit.

OK, enuff. back to reality for me.

;)

--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 3/11/2006 6:08:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> jonesalley@... writes:
>
> and the needle snaps back to the start of the groove every time
you lift the
> keyâ¦.hmmmmmâ¦â¦I guess youâd need 35 horns, tooâ¦â¦.Can you
imagine the
> sounds coming out of something like that?!?
> All attack and less than zero aftertouch.
>

Re: Roxy M400 live 1974 (+ King Crimson Live!)

2006-03-12 by mlcsixand78s

I agree with your comments about Mike Giles. I think that M. Giles 
drumming with Crimso is amazing. One of my favorite rock drummers of 
all time. :) Perhaps a drummer that has been overlooked...?


--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, "David Jacques" <djacques@...> 
wrote:
>
> When you think about how those 1969 Crimson live tapes were 
recorded, it is
> amazing that any fidelity had survived. I believe that the Fillmore 
East
> tapes were from an ancient cassette deck held by someone in the 
audience. I
> had one of those when I was 13.
> 
> To hear the incredible drumming by Michael Giles, even in lo-fi, is 
just
> mind-boggling... Has anyone, besides Fripp, truly appreciated his 
genius?
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of mlcsixand78s
>   Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:14 AM
>   To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: Fw: [Mellotronists] Re: Roxy M400 live 1974 (+ King 
Crimson
> Live!)
> 
> 
>   In response to earlier posting on this subject:
> 
>   LIVE CRIMSON _ LO-FI
>   Yes some of the earliest live Krimson recordings released are lo-
fi.
>   But many of the gigs from the Wallace & Wetton eras have very good
>   fidelity. I have many of the KC kCollectors Kclub releases. I 
highly
>   recommend them.
> 
>   KC 1ST LINE UP RECORDINGS
>   Since the earliest Crimso was so long ago I heard rumor that T.
>   Edison attended some of the first US gigs... hmm? Maybe a Detroit
>   gig?  Perhaps Thomas Edison made some boot recordings of Crimso?
>   Maybe Fripp got a hold of these original disks and used them for 
some
>   of the 'Club releases ...
>   ... (haaa, what, huh, where am I? ohhh, what a strange dream).
> 
>   EDISON DISCOTRON? (or CYLIDRICA-TRON?) (or WAX-CYLI-TRON)?
>   Wow, what a beast that would be. All those disks, styli, horns, 
etc.
>   used as a "sampler/playback" instrument. It could even be powered
>   with a small steam engine! Think of it! THE ULTIMATE ANALOG (or is
>   that analouge?)instrument. No electronics needed! What a dream! If
>   there was a power cut during a gig the 'Edi-Tron-ist' and drummer
>   could keep playing happily along, improvising a "duo/solo" to keep
>   the audience happy.
>   ... ahh, but on stage there might be some technical issues with 
very
>   low freq. vibrations from, for example, bassists of Wetton
>   proportions or drummers with a Bonzo like bass drum foot. This 
could
>   have all those styli hopping around like a crowd of punkers in a 
mosh
>   pit.
> 
>   OK, enuff. back to reality for me.
> 
>   ;)
> 
> 
>   --- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@ wrote:
>   >
>   > In a message dated 3/11/2006 6:08:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>   > jonesalley@ writes:
>   >
>   > and the needle snaps  back to the start of the groove every time
>   you lift the
>   > keyâ¦.hmmmmmâ¦â¦I guess youâd need 35 horns, tooâ¦â¦.Can 
you
>   imagine  the
>   > sounds coming out of something like that?!?
>   > All attack and less than zero aftertouch.
>   >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Roxy M400 live 1974 (+ King Crimson Live!)

2006-03-12 by mlcsixand78s

I agree with your comments about Mike Giles. I think that M. Giles 
drumming with Crimso is amazing. One of my favorite rock drummers of 
all time. :) Perhaps a drummer that has been overlooked...?


--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, "David Jacques" <djacques@...> 
wrote:
>
> When you think about how those 1969 Crimson live tapes were 
recorded, it is
> amazing that any fidelity had survived. I believe that the Fillmore 
East
> tapes were from an ancient cassette deck held by someone in the 
audience. I
> had one of those when I was 13.
> 
> To hear the incredible drumming by Michael Giles, even in lo-fi, is 
just
> mind-boggling... Has anyone, besides Fripp, truly appreciated his 
genius?
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of mlcsixand78s
>   Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:14 AM
>   To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: Fw: [Mellotronists] Re: Roxy M400 live 1974 (+ King 
Crimson
> Live!)
> 
> 
>   In response to earlier posting on this subject:
> 
>   LIVE CRIMSON _ LO-FI
>   Yes some of the earliest live Krimson recordings released are lo-
fi.
>   But many of the gigs from the Wallace & Wetton eras have very good
>   fidelity. I have many of the KC kCollectors Kclub releases. I 
highly
>   recommend them.
> 
>   KC 1ST LINE UP RECORDINGS
>   Since the earliest Crimso was so long ago I heard rumor that T.
>   Edison attended some of the first US gigs... hmm? Maybe a Detroit
>   gig?  Perhaps Thomas Edison made some boot recordings of Crimso?
>   Maybe Fripp got a hold of these original disks and used them for 
some
>   of the 'Club releases ...
>   ... (haaa, what, huh, where am I? ohhh, what a strange dream).
> 
>   EDISON DISCOTRON? (or CYLIDRICA-TRON?) (or WAX-CYLI-TRON)?
>   Wow, what a beast that would be. All those disks, styli, horns, 
etc.
>   used as a "sampler/playback" instrument. It could even be powered
>   with a small steam engine! Think of it! THE ULTIMATE ANALOG (or is
>   that analouge?)instrument. No electronics needed! What a dream! If
>   there was a power cut during a gig the 'Edi-Tron-ist' and drummer
>   could keep playing happily along, improvising a "duo/solo" to keep
>   the audience happy.
>   ... ahh, but on stage there might be some technical issues with 
very
>   low freq. vibrations from, for example, bassists of Wetton
>   proportions or drummers with a Bonzo like bass drum foot. This 
could
>   have all those styli hopping around like a crowd of punkers in a 
mosh
>   pit.
> 
>   OK, enuff. back to reality for me.
> 
>   ;)
> 
> 
>   --- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@ wrote:
>   >
>   > In a message dated 3/11/2006 6:08:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>   > jonesalley@ writes:
>   >
>   > and the needle snaps  back to the start of the groove every time
>   you lift the
>   > keyâ¦.hmmmmmâ¦â¦I guess youâd need 35 horns, tooâ¦â¦.Can 
you
>   imagine  the
>   > sounds coming out of something like that?!?
>   > All attack and less than zero aftertouch.
>   >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   SPONSORED LINKS Music instruments  Instrument music online store  
Online
> music instrument store
>         Music instrument stores  Keyboard instrument  Music 
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> 
> 
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> 
>     a..  Visit your group "Mellotronists" on the web.
> 
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RE: [Mellotronists] Re: Roxy M400 live 1974 (+ King Crimson Live!)

2006-03-12 by David Jacques

Just listen to the drum break right after the fast bebop section of Schizoid Man from the Fillmore East… You actually hear the audience freak out in amazement at that drum roll…

Fripp speaks of M. Gile’s musicianship in the liner notes of the CD… No one sounded like him, or played like him…

-----Original Message-----

I agree with your comments about Mike Giles. I think that M. Giles
drumming with Crimso is amazing. One of my favorite rock drummers of
all time. :) Perhaps a drummer that has been overlooked...?

--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, "David Jacques"
wrote:
>
> When you think about how those 1969 Crimson live tapes were
recorded, it is
> amazing that any fidelity had survived. I believe that the Fillmore
East
> tapes were from an ancient cassette deck held by someone in the
audience. I
> had one of those when I was 13.
>
> To hear the incredible drumming by Michael Giles, even in lo-fi, is
just
> mind-boggling... Has anyone, besides Fripp, truly appreciated his
genius?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of mlcsixand78s
> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:14 AM
> To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
> ; Subject: Fw: [Mellotronists] Re: Roxy M400 live 1974 (+ King
Crimson
> Live!)
>
>
> In response to earlier posting on this subject:
>
> LIVE CRIMSON _ LO-FI
> Yes some of the earliest live Krimson recordings released are lo-
fi.
> But many of the gigs from the Wallace & Wetton eras have very good
> fidelity. I have many of the KC kCollectors Kclub releases. I
highly
> recommend them.
>
> KC 1ST LINE UP RECORDINGS
> Since the earliest Crimso was so long ago I heard rumor that T.
> Edison attended some of the first US gigs... hmm? Maybe a Detroit
> gig? Perhaps Thomas Edison made some boot recordings of Crimso?
> Maybe Fripp got a hold of these original disks and used them for
some
> of the 'Club releases ...
> ... (haaa, what, huh, where am I? ohhh, what a strange dream).
>
> EDISON DISCOTRON? (or CYLIDRICA-TRON?) (or WAX-CYLI-TRON)?
> Wow, what a beast that would be. All those disks, styli, horns,
etc.
> used as a "sampler/playback" instrument. It could even be powered
> with a small steam engine! Think of it! THE ULTIMATE ANALOG (or is
> that analouge?)instrument. No electronics needed! What a dream! If
> there was a power cut during a gig the 'Edi-Tron-ist' and drummer
> could keep playing happily along, improvising a "duo/solo" to keep
> the audience happy.
> ... ahh, but on stage there might be some technical issues with
very
> low freq. vibrations from, for example, bassists of Wetton
> ; proportions or drummers with a Bonzo like bass drum foot. This
could
> have all those styli hopping around like a crowd of punkers in a
mosh
> pit.
>
> OK, enuff. back to reality for me.
>
> ;)
>
>
> --- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@ wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 3/11/2006 6:08:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>; > jonesalley@ writes:
> >
> > and the needle snaps back to the start of the groove every time
> you lift the
> > keyâ€¦.hmmmmmâ€¦â€¦I guess youâ€™d need 35 horns, tooâ€¦â€¦.Can
you
> imagine the
> > sounds coming out of something like that?!?
> > All attack and less than zero aftertouch.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> SPONSORED LINKS Music instruments Instrument music online store
Online
> music instrument store
> Music instrument stores Keyboard instrument Music
instrument sale
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
--------
> --
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
> a.. Visit your group "Mellotronists" on the web.
>
> b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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Re: [Mellotronists] Re: Roxy M400 live 1974 (+ King Crimson Live!)

2006-03-12 by Mattias

I always liked the Bruford/Muir combo the most. Something about Brufords playing opened up tremedously when he was along side Muir.

I always found Giles playing a bit too airy fairy for my taste...

// Mattias

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----- Original Message -----

From: David Jacques

To: 'mlcsixand78s' ; Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 8:04 PM

Subject: RE: [Mellotronists] Re: Roxy M400 live 1974 (+ King Crimson Live!)

Just listen to the drum break right after the fast bebop section of Schizoid Man from the Fillmore East… You actually hear the audience freak out in amazement at that drum roll…

Fripp speaks of M. Gile’s musicianship in the liner notes of the CD… No one sounded like him, or played like him…

-----Original Message-----

I agree with your comments about Mike Giles. I think that M. Giles
drumming with Crimso is amazing. One of my favorite rock drummers of
all time. :) Perhaps a drummer that has been overlooked...?

--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, "David Jacques"
wrote:
>
> When you think about how those 1969 Crimson live tapes were
recorded, it is
> amazing that any fidelity had survived. I believe that the Fillmore
East
> tapes were from an ancient cassette deck held by someone in the
audience. I
> had one of those when I was 13.
>
> To hear the incredible drumming by Michael Giles, even in lo-fi, is
just
> mind-boggling... Has anyone, besides Fripp, truly appreciated his
genius?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
>; [mailto:Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of mlcsixand78s
> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:14 AM
> To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Fw: [Mellotronists] Re: Roxy M400 live 1974 (+ King
Crimson
> Live!)
>
>
> In response to earlier posting on this subject:
>
> LIVE CRIMSON _ LO-FI
> Yes some of the earliest live Krimson recordings released are lo-
fi.
> But many of the gigs from the Wallace & Wetton eras have very good
> fidelity. I have many of the KC kCollectors Kclub releases. I
highly
> recommend them.
>
> KC 1ST LINE UP RECORDINGS
> Since the earliest Crimso was so long ago I heard rumor that T.
> Edison attended some of the first US gigs... hmm? Maybe a Detroit
> gig? Perhaps Thomas Edison made some boot recordings of Crimso?
> Maybe Fripp got a hold of these original disks and used them for
some
> of the 'Club releases ...
> ... (haaa, what, huh, where am I? ohhh, what a strange dream).
>
> EDISON DISCOTRON? (or CYLIDRICA-TRON?) (or WAX-CYLI-TRON)?
> Wow, what a beast that would be. All those disks, styli, horns,
etc.
> used as a "sampler/playback" instrument. It could even be powered
> with a small steam engine! Think of it! THE ULTIMATE ANALOG (or is
> that analouge?)instrument. No electronics needed! What a dream! If
> there was a power cut during a gig the 'Edi-Tron-ist' and drummer
> could keep playing happily along, improvising a "duo/solo" to keep
> the audience happy.
> ... ahh, but on stage there might be some technical issues with
very
> low freq. vibrations from, for example, bassists of Wetton
> proportions or drummers with a Bonzo like bass drum foot. This
could
> have all those styli hopping around like a crowd of punkers in a
mosh
> pit.
>
> OK, enuff. back to reality for me.
>
> ;)
>
>
> --- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@ wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 3/11/2006 6:08:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > jonesalley@ writes:
> >
> > and the needle snaps back to the start of the groove every time
> you lift the
> > keyâ€¦.hmmmmmâ€¦â€¦I guess youâ€™d need 35 horns, tooâ€¦â€¦.Can
you
> imagine the
> > sounds coming out of something like that?!?
> > All attack and less than zero aftertouch.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ; SPONSORED LINKS Music instruments Instrument music online store
Online
> music instrument store
> Music instrument stores Keyboard instrument Music
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>
>
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> a.. Visit your group "Mellotronists" on the web.
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Re: [Mellotronists] Re: Roxy M400 live 1974 (+ King Crimson Live!)

2006-03-12 by Paul Tillotson

I think it's kind of funny that when ELP were forming, they planned on performing "20th Century Schizoid Man" but little wonder boy Carl Palmer could not master the drum parts.

Paul Tillotson M400 #1226

----- Original Message -----

From: David Jacques

To: 'mlcsixand78s' ; Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 11:04 AM

Subject: RE: [Mellotronists] Re: Roxy M400 live 1974 (+ King Crimson Live!)

Just listen to the drum break right after the fast bebop section of Schizoid Man from the Fillmore East… You actually hear the audience freak out in amazement at that drum roll…

Fripp speaks of M. Gile’s musicianship in the liner notes of the CD… No one sounded like him, or played like him…

-----Original Message-----

Re: [Mellotronists] Re: Roxy M400 live 1974 (+ King Crimson Live!)

2006-03-12 by Mattias

Sounds a bit weird but I guess everything is possible...The drumparts aren't technically difficult at all but the thing about Giles as a drummer is that he has a very unique style and attitude. It's very possible it didn't sound right if you think about Palmers chops and playing style.

On the other hand...I wouldn't want to hear Tarkus with Giles behind the drumkit...

// Mattias

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From: Paul Tillotson

To: 'mlcsixand78s' ; Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com ; David Jacques

Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 9:48 PM

Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Re: Roxy M400 live 1974 (+ King Crimson Live!)

I think it's kind of funny that when ELP were forming, they planned on performing "20th Century Schizoid Man" but little wonder boy Carl Palmer could not master the drum parts.

; Paul Tillotson M400 #1226

----- Original Message -----

From: David Jacques

To: 'mlcsixand78s' ; Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 11:04 AM

Subject: RE: [Mellotronists] Re: Roxy M400 live 1974 (+ King Crimson Live!)

Just listen to the drum break right after the fast bebop section of Schizoid Man from the Fillmore East… You actually hear the audience freak out in amazement at that drum roll…

Fripp speaks of M. Gile’s musicianship in the liner notes of the CD… No one sounded like him, or played like him…

-----Original Message-----

I agree with your comments about Mike Giles. I think that M. Giles
drumming with Crimso is amazing. One of my favorite rock drummers of
all time. :) Perhaps a drummer that has been overlooked...?

--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, "David Jacques"
wrote:
>
> When you think about how those 1969 Crimson live tapes were
recorded, it is
> amazing that any fidelity had survived. I believe that the Fillmore
East
> tapes were from an ancient cassette deck held by someone in the
audience. I
> had one of those when I was 13.
>
> To hear the incredible drumming by Michael Giles, even in lo-fi, is
just
> mind-boggling... Has anyone, besides Fripp, truly appreciated his
genius?

Fw: [Mellotronists] Re: Roxy M400 live 1974 (+ King Crimson Live!)

2006-03-12 by jonesalley

From my time in Kansas, with the inevitable exposure to country music it brought, I have learned that while I can learn to play pretty much any sequence of melodies, harmonies, and rhythms without much trouble, there's so much more to it than that. I simply can't play country music. I can learn the keyboard parts, but it always sounds wrong. I've concluded that it's one thing to play the right notes, but another thing entirely to play the notes right.

;

"Sounds a bit weird but I guess everything is possible...The drumparts aren't technically difficult at all but the thing about Giles as a drummer is that he has a very unique style and attitude. It's very possible it didn't sound right if you think about Palmers chops and playing style.

On the other hand...I wouldn't want to hear Tarkus with Giles behind the drumkit...

// Mattias"

Re: Fw: [Mellotronists] Re: Roxy M400 live 1974 (+ King Crimson Live!)

2006-03-12 by John Hofmeyer

Yeah playing Country music isn't as easy as it sounds.  I've
been playing in roots/country-ish bands in the last couple
years (drums) and there is far less liberty than in rock
playing.  There's a certain feel that you just can't teach.  

Fortunately, growin up in Iowa, I was exposed to enough of
that stuff that it is (partially) in my blood.  ...but then,
Dvorak lived in Iowa too - just to pre-empt the eminent
"states-in-the-middle" slagging.

Giles has interesting ideas, though I personally prefer
Brufford.  Carl Palmer never really impressed me as a drummer
- he was fortunate to have success with Arthur Brown and
establish a name for himself.  

alrighty - I'll quit now.  Already pulled this thread way
off-topic.

--- jonesalley <jonesalley@...> wrote:

> From my time in Kansas, with the inevitable exposure to
> country music it brought, I have learned that while I can
> learn to play pretty much any sequence of melodies,
> harmonies, and rhythms without much trouble, there's so
> much more to it than that.  I simply can't play country
> music.  I can learn the keyboard parts, but it always
> sounds wrong.  I've concluded that it's one thing to play
> the right notes, but another thing entirely to play the
> notes right.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Sounds a bit weird but I guess everything is
> possible...The drumparts aren't technically difficult at
> all but the thing about Giles as a drummer is that he has a
> very unique style and attitude. It's very possible it
> didn't sound right if you think about Palmers chops and
> playing style.
> 
> On the other hand...I wouldn't want to hear Tarkus with
> Giles behind the drumkit...
> 
> // Mattias"
> 

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Re: Fw: [Mellotronists] Re: Roxy M400 live 1974 (+ King Crimson Live!)

2006-03-12 by lsf5275@aol.com

In a message dated 3/12/2006 4:59:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jonesalley@... writes:

From my time in Kansas, with the inevitable exposure  to country music it 
brought, I have learned that while I can learn to play  pretty much any sequence 
of melodies, harmonies, and rhythms without much  trouble, there's so much 
more to it than that.  I simply can't play  country music.  I can learn the 
keyboard parts, but it always sounds  wrong.  I've concluded that it's one thing to 
play the right notes, but  another thing entirely to play the notes  right.



Jon, you're fulla crap. I checked all my Kansas records and you aren't on  
any of them.
 
Frank  ;?)

Re: [Mellotronists] Re: Roxy M400 live 1974 (+ King Crimson Live!)

2006-03-13 by chris.dale@primus.ca

I read in an interview with Bruford that King Crimson became his "dream" band to join because of what Micheal Giles could do, and that he was inspired by his style.

Giles drumming on the McDonald / Giles album is also innovative. A brilliant album that could have been King Crimson's second album had McDonald / Giles remained with the band. An alternate melody for Cadence And Cascade appears on that album as well.

No mellotron on that obviously, but there are some beautiful string and flute parts.

Chris

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----- Original Message -----

From: Mattias

To: 'mlcsixand78s' ; Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com ; David Jacques

Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 3:47 PM

Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Re: Roxy M400 live 1974 (+ King Crimson Live!)

I always liked the Bruford/Muir combo the most. Something about Brufords playing opened up tremedously when he was along side Muir.

I always found Giles playing a bit too airy fairy for my taste...

// Mattias

----- Original Message -----

From: David Jacques

To: 'mlcsixand78s' ; Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 8:04 PM

Subject: RE: [Mellotronists] Re: Roxy M400 live 1974 (+ King Crimson Live!)

Just listen to the drum break right after the fast bebop section of Schizoid Man from the Fillmore East… You actually hear the audience freak out in amazement at that drum roll…

Fripp speaks of M. Gile’s musicianship in the liner notes of the CD… No one sounded like him, or played like him…

-----Original Message-----

I agree with your comments about Mike Giles. I think that M. Giles
drumming with Crimso is amazing. One of my favorite rock drummers of
all time. :) Perhaps a drummer that has been overlooked...?

--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, "David Jacques"
wrote:
>
> When you think about how those 1969 Crimson live tapes were
recorded, it is
> amazing that any fidelity had survived. I believe that the Fillmore
East
> tapes were from an ancient cassette deck held by someone in the
audience. I
> had one of those when I was 13.
>;
> To hear the incredible drumming by Michael Giles, even in lo-fi, is
just
> mind-boggling... Has anyone, besides Fripp, truly appreciated his
genius?
> -----Original Message-----
>; From: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of mlcsixand78s
> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:14 AM
> To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Fw: [Mellotronists] Re: Roxy M400 live 1974 (+ King
Crimson
> Live!)
>
>
> In response to earlier posting on this subject:
>
> LIVE CRIMSON _ LO-FI
> Yes some of the earliest live Krimson recordings released are lo-
fi.
> But many of the gigs from the Wallace & Wetton eras have very good
> fidelity. I have many of the KC kCollectors Kclub releases. I
highly
> recommend them.
>
> KC 1ST LINE UP RECORDINGS
> Since the earliest Crimso was so long ago I heard rumor that T.
> Edison attended some of the first US gigs... hmm? Maybe a Detroit
> gig? Perhaps Thomas Edison made some boot recordings of Crimso?
> Maybe Fripp got a hold of these original disks and used them for
some
> of the 'Club releases ...
> ... (haaa, what, huh, where am I? ohhh, what a strange dream).
>
> EDISON DISCOTRON? (or CYLIDRICA-TRON?) (or WAX-CYLI-TRON)?
> Wow, what a beast that would be. All those disks, styli, horns,
etc.
> used as a "sampler/playback" instrument. It could even be powered
> with a small steam engine! Think of it! THE ULTIMATE ANALOG (or is
> that analouge?)instrument. No electronics needed! What a dream! If
> there was a power cut during a gig the 'Edi-Tron-ist' and drummer
> could keep playing happily along, improvising a "duo/solo" to keep
> the audience happy.
> ... ahh, but on stage there might be some technical issues with
very
> low freq. vibrations from, for example, bassists of Wetton
> proportions or drummers with a Bonzo like bass drum foot. This
could
> have all those styli hopping around like a crowd of punkers in a
mosh
> ; pit.
>
> OK, enuff. back to reality for me.
>
> ;)
>
>
> --- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@ wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 3/11/2006 6:08:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> >; jonesalley@ writes:
> >
> > and the needle snaps back to the start of the groove every time
> you lift the
> > keyâ€¦.hmmmmmâ€¦â€¦I guess youâ€™d need 35 horns, tooâ€¦â€¦.Can
you
> imagine the
> > sounds coming out of something like that?!?
>; > All attack and less than zero aftertouch.
> >
>
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