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Fw: [Mellotronists] 'Tron hate...

2005-04-23 by jonesalley

Somebody on the list (Ken Leonard?) has a great mp3 file of an A/B test of a 
real Mellotron and a sampled Mellotron (eMu Vintage Synth, if I recall) 
posted on their site - about fifteen minutes of same phrases back-and-forth, 
and there is NO comparison in this totally unfair competition. It's Ayn 
Rand's "principle of identity" in action.  Real is real.  Anything else 
isn't.  There are people who prefer fake flowers, for some strange reason...

Re: Fw: [Mellotronists] 'Tron hate...

2005-04-23 by Ken Leonard

At 08:17 PM 4/22/2005, you wrote:

>Somebody on the list (Ken Leonard?) has a great mp3 file of an A/B test of a
>real Mellotron and a sampled Mellotron (eMu Vintage Synth, if I recall)
>posted on their site - about fifteen minutes of same phrases back-and-forth,

It's at the bottom of my Tunes page:

http://www.kleonard.com/kltunes/tunes.htm

It's M400 #805 vs. the Roland M-VS1.

Hmmm...Maybe the REAL comparison is comparing #805 to its sampled self 
(which I can also do on my PC)?  Nawww, I have to rearrange my sock drawer.

Hey Jack:  BRAVO!  It sounds like you're really going to town on the EMI!!!

...kl...
M400 #805 - immortalized in MP3
M400 #1037 - was NOT involved in the a/b comparison


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Re: Fw: [Mellotronists] 'Tron hate...

2005-04-23 by Andy Thompson

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> >Somebody on the list (Ken Leonard?) has a great mp3 file of an A/B test
of a
> >real Mellotron and a sampled Mellotron (eMu Vintage Synth, if I recall)
> >posted on their site - about fifteen minutes of same phrases
back-and-forth,

Had Ken actually done the A-B with the Emu box, it would've been a
grotequely unfair comparison - those have to be some of the worst 'Tron
samples I've come across.

> It's M400 #805 vs. the Roland M-VS1.

Despite the fact that I use the same unit live, the comparison's still
pretty unfair! About an octave of useable choirs, I think.

> Hmmm...Maybe the REAL comparison is comparing #805 to its sampled self
> (which I can also do on my PC)?  Nawww, I have to rearrange my sock
drawer.

Oh go on, Ken... That would be the fairest comparison, but I think we all
know who'd win.

Andy T.

Re: [Mellotronists] 'Tron hate...

2005-04-23 by fdoddy@aol.com

Ayn Rand was a poor misguided soul. Follow the money trail, eat baked 
beans.
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Sent: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 19:17:52 -0500
Subject: Fw: [Mellotronists] 'Tron hate...

    Somebody on the list (Ken Leonard?) has a great mp3 file of an A/B 
test of a
real Mellotron and a sampled Mellotron (eMu Vintage Synth, if I recall)
posted on their site - about fifteen minutes of same phrases 
back-and-forth,
and there is NO comparison in this totally unfair competition. It's Ayn
Rand's "principle of identity" in action.  Real is real.  Anything else
isn't.  There are people who prefer fake flowers, for some strange 
reason...







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Re: Fw: [Mellotronists] 'Tron hate...

2005-04-23 by NormLeete@aol.com

In a message dated 23/04/2005 01:27:48 GMT Daylight Time, ken@...  
writes:

Hmmm...Maybe the REAL comparison is comparing #805 to its sampled self  
(which I can also do on my PC)?  Nawww, I have to rearrange my sock  drawer.


From my experience the real thing still wins! Smpled every note, full  
duration for a friend into a top end Yamaha sampler and as soon as you play  chords 
the Mellotron wins hands down even though these are samplws of the same  
machine.
 
Same with a Fairlight although strangely the Fairlight samples we put onto  
Mellotron tapes get very close to a real Fairlight which was odd and very  
ironic...
 
Norm

Re: Fw: [Mellotronists] 'Tron hate...

2005-04-23 by Ken Leonard

>
> From my experience the real thing still wins! Smpled every note, full 
> duration for a friend into a top end Yamaha sampler and as soon as you 
> play chords the Mellotron wins hands down even though these are samplws 
> of the same machine.

Fritz, Jerry, and I chatted about this when Jerry and I popped in on Fritz 
for a visit last year.  (If you missed that trip 
report:  http://www.kleonard.com/mellotron/mpma0404/interview.htm )

It must be something with the way the sounds get stacked up while traveling 
through the head block, something a sampler wouldn't be dealing with in the 
same way.  So you wind up with chords that "aren't too much"; they actually 
come out full without the notes fighting (although it is a brick wall).  I 
cannot speak from experience when it comes to 'tron chords from a 
full-blown sampler.

OK, I'll go back to rearranging my sock drawer now.

>Same with a Fairlight although strangely the Fairlight samples we put onto 
>Mellotron tapes get very close to a real Fairlight which was odd and very 
>ironic...

Apparently there *is* justice in the world.

...kl...
M400 #805 - prefers argyles
M400 #1037 - likes over-the-calf

Fw: [Mellotronists] 'Tron hate...

2005-04-24 by tron@blackcat.demon.co.uk

In the recent message <13e.11e7d3a4.2f9c0f2d@...>
you wrote...

> Same with a Fairlight although strangely the Fairlight samples we put onto
> Mellotron tapes get very close to a real Fairlight which was odd and very
> ironic...

I also like the way you can turn the Mellotron's tuning knob all the way
up and get another (undistorted!) octave out of the Fairlight sounds.

Mike Dickson (tron@...) M400 #996
The Official Cynic of Streetly Electronics
Streetly Sample Library http://www.blackcat.demon.co.uk/tron/

Re: Fw: [Mellotronists] 'Tron hate...

2005-04-25 by John Hofmeyer

I remember when those E-Mu boxes came out.  In fact, I
chatted with the sound designer responsible for creating the
sounds.  I asked him, specifically about the Mellotron -
where he found the instrument, etc.

They didn't actually sample a Mellotron - they found a
recording of the 'tron at a local studio (local = San
Francisco) and sampled from the tape!  I'm pretty certain
that they only sampled a few of the notes and went from
there.

For this reason, I was disappointed with the Vintage keys box
was released.  Rather use the string sounds on their Proteus2
box than the vintage keys.

It seems that more recent, vintage-keys type synths have
wisely avoided any attempt at re-creating the mellotron.  The
Nord Electro comes to mind (nice Rhodes and Clav sounds)

-jh


--- Andy Thompson <andy.thompson@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ken Leonard" <ken@...>
> To: "Mellotronists" <Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 1:26 AM
> Subject: Re: Fw: [Mellotronists] 'Tron hate...
> 
> 
> 
> > >Somebody on the list (Ken Leonard?) has a great mp3 file
> of an A/B test
> of a
> > >real Mellotron and a sampled Mellotron (eMu Vintage
> Synth, if I recall)
> > >posted on their site - about fifteen minutes of same
> phrases
> back-and-forth,
> 
> Had Ken actually done the A-B with the Emu box, it would've
> been a
> grotequely unfair comparison - those have to be some of the
> worst 'Tron
> samples I've come across.
> 
> > It's M400 #805 vs. the Roland M-VS1.
> 
> Despite the fact that I use the same unit live, the
> comparison's still
> pretty unfair! About an octave of useable choirs, I think.
> 
> > Hmmm...Maybe the REAL comparison is comparing #805 to its
> sampled self
> > (which I can also do on my PC)?  Nawww, I have to
> rearrange my sock
> drawer.
> 
> Oh go on, Ken... That would be the fairest comparison, but
> I think we all
> know who'd win.
> 
> Andy T.
> 
> 
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Re: Fw: [Mellotronists] 'Tron hate...

2005-04-25 by John Hofmeyer

I've always thought that the result of an analog summing buss
is much more 'natural' sounding than digital.

My guess is that the upper harmonics are more fairly
represented in the analog sum.

-jh


--- NormLeete@... wrote:
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>  
> In a message dated 23/04/2005 01:27:48 GMT Daylight Time,
> ken@...  
> writes:
> 
> Hmmm...Maybe the REAL comparison is comparing #805 to its
> sampled self  
> (which I can also do on my PC)?  Nawww, I have to rearrange
> my sock  drawer.
> 
> 
> From my experience the real thing still wins! Smpled every
> note, full  
> duration for a friend into a top end Yamaha sampler and as
> soon as you play  chords 
> the Mellotron wins hands down even though these are samplws
> of the same  
> machine.
>  
> Same with a Fairlight although strangely the Fairlight
> samples we put onto  
> Mellotron tapes get very close to a real Fairlight which
> was odd and very  
> ironic...
>  
> Norm
>

RE: Fw: [Mellotronists] 'Tron hate...

2005-04-25 by Stan Cotey

It could be the inverse; you could be hearing intermodulation products
in the Mellotron preamp that don't exist in the sampler, which could be
construed as "glue" or warmth.  Same reason engineers often like to pass
a digital mix through a piece of tube gear; it's not that the digital
summing is bad, it's that the analog piece adds something.  
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Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 10:18 AM
To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Fw: [Mellotronists] 'Tron hate...


I've always thought that the result of an analog summing buss
is much more 'natural' sounding than digital.

My guess is that the upper harmonics are more fairly
represented in the analog sum.

-jh


--- NormLeete@... wrote:
>  
> In a message dated 23/04/2005 01:27:48 GMT Daylight Time,
> ken@kleonard.com  
> writes:
> 
> Hmmm...Maybe the REAL comparison is comparing #805 to its
> sampled self  
> (which I can also do on my PC)?  Nawww, I have to rearrange
> my sock  drawer.
> 
> 
> From my experience the real thing still wins! Smpled every
> note, full  
> duration for a friend into a top end Yamaha sampler and as
> soon as you play  chords 
> the Mellotron wins hands down even though these are samplws
> of the same  
> machine.
>  
> Same with a Fairlight although strangely the Fairlight
> samples we put onto  
> Mellotron tapes get very close to a real Fairlight which
> was odd and very  
> ironic...
>  
> Norm
> 



 
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Re: Fw: [Mellotronists] 'Tron hate...

2005-04-25 by mark kasian

Wrong.

They were samples from the masters that Kean has.
Project designer was Kevin Monahan with Riley Smith in
tow. The problem with that box is the VERY limited
amount of sample memory available and the stretching
and re-mapping of the samples to fit that chunk of
real estate. Sounds bad because there's NO bandwidth!

Plus, to make matters worse, they looped the thing.
Yuk.

A better version is the set that they released for the
E4...but still not as good as the Pinder disk and not
really close at all to the real deal....natch.


Mark.
--- John Hofmeyer <j_hofmeyer@...> wrote:
> I remember when those E-Mu boxes came out.  In fact,
> I
> chatted with the sound designer responsible for
> creating the
> sounds.  I asked him, specifically about the
> Mellotron -
> where he found the instrument, etc.
> 
> They didn't actually sample a Mellotron - they found
> a
> recording of the 'tron at a local studio (local =
> San
> Francisco) and sampled from the tape!  I'm pretty
> certain
> that they only sampled a few of the notes and went
> from
> there.
> 
> For this reason, I was disappointed with the Vintage
> keys box
> was released.  Rather use the string sounds on their
> Proteus2
> box than the vintage keys.
> 
> It seems that more recent, vintage-keys type synths
> have
> wisely avoided any attempt at re-creating the
> mellotron.  The
> Nord Electro comes to mind (nice Rhodes and Clav
> sounds)
> 
> -jh
> 
> 
> --- Andy Thompson <andy.thompson@...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Ken Leonard" <ken@...>
> > To: "Mellotronists"
> <Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 1:26 AM
> > Subject: Re: Fw: [Mellotronists] 'Tron hate...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > >Somebody on the list (Ken Leonard?) has a great
> mp3 file
> > of an A/B test
> > of a
> > > >real Mellotron and a sampled Mellotron (eMu
> Vintage
> > Synth, if I recall)
> > > >posted on their site - about fifteen minutes of
> same
> > phrases
> > back-and-forth,
> > 
> > Had Ken actually done the A-B with the Emu box, it
> would've
> > been a
> > grotequely unfair comparison - those have to be
> some of the
> > worst 'Tron
> > samples I've come across.
> > 
> > > It's M400 #805 vs. the Roland M-VS1.
> > 
> > Despite the fact that I use the same unit live,
> the
> > comparison's still
> > pretty unfair! About an octave of useable choirs,
> I think.
> > 
> > > Hmmm...Maybe the REAL comparison is comparing
> #805 to its
> > sampled self
> > > (which I can also do on my PC)?  Nawww, I have
> to
> > rearrange my sock
> > drawer.
> > 
> > Oh go on, Ken... That would be the fairest
> comparison, but
> > I think we all
> > know who'd win.
> > 
> > Andy T.
> > 
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Re: Fw: [Mellotronists] 'Tron hate...

2005-04-25 by Andy Thompson

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Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [Mellotronists] 'Tron hate...


>
> I remember when those E-Mu boxes came out.  In fact, I
> chatted with the sound designer responsible for creating the
> sounds.  I asked him, specifically about the Mellotron -
> where he found the instrument, etc.
>
> They didn't actually sample a Mellotron - they found a
> recording of the 'tron at a local studio (local = San
> Francisco) and sampled from the tape!  I'm pretty certain
> that they only sampled a few of the notes and went from
> there.

Which backs up everything I've always thought about that box! Thank you,
John.

Andy T.

Re: Fw: [Mellotronists] 'Tron hate...

2005-04-25 by Andy Thompson

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To: "John Hofmeyer" <j_hofmeyer@...>; "Mellotronists"
<Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [Mellotronists] 'Tron hate...


>
> Wrong.
>
> They were samples from the masters that Kean has.
> Project designer was Kevin Monahan with Riley Smith in
> tow. The problem with that box is the VERY limited
> amount of sample memory available and the stretching
> and re-mapping of the samples to fit that chunk of
> real estate. Sounds bad because there's NO bandwidth!
>
> Plus, to make matters worse, they looped the thing.
> Yuk.
>
> A better version is the set that they released for the
> E4...but still not as good as the Pinder disk and not
> really close at all to the real deal....natch.
>
>
> Mark.

Which explains the 'sampled from a tape' story. They were - the masters.
Still sounds like a pile o'poo, though, but the memory/bandwith explanation
makes a lot of sense. Thanks for that one, Mark.

Andy

Re: Fw: [Mellotronists] 'Tron hate...

2005-04-25 by John Hofmeyer

Hmmm... goes to show ya what years of drinking and a slightly
naive youth will result...  I don't even remember the
engineer's name - though I'm certain he worked with E-Mu.

My bad - i don't intend to propogate mis-information.

-jh


--- mark kasian <easle12@...> wrote:
> Wrong.
> 
> They were samples from the masters that Kean has.
> Project designer was Kevin Monahan with Riley Smith in
> tow. The problem with that box is the VERY limited
> amount of sample memory available and the stretching
> and re-mapping of the samples to fit that chunk of
> real estate. Sounds bad because there's NO bandwidth!
> 
> Plus, to make matters worse, they looped the thing.
> Yuk.
> 
> A better version is the set that they released for the
> E4...but still not as good as the Pinder disk and not
> really close at all to the real deal....natch.
> 
> 
> Mark.
> --- John Hofmeyer <j_hofmeyer@...> wrote:
> > I remember when those E-Mu boxes came out.  In fact,
> > I
> > chatted with the sound designer responsible for
> > creating the
> > sounds.  I asked him, specifically about the
> > Mellotron -
> > where he found the instrument, etc.
> > 
> > They didn't actually sample a Mellotron - they found
> > a
> > recording of the 'tron at a local studio (local =
> > San
> > Francisco) and sampled from the tape!  I'm pretty
> > certain
> > that they only sampled a few of the notes and went
> > from
> > there.
> > 
> > For this reason, I was disappointed with the Vintage
> > keys box
> > was released.  Rather use the string sounds on their
> > Proteus2
> > box than the vintage keys.
> > 
> > It seems that more recent, vintage-keys type synths
> > have
> > wisely avoided any attempt at re-creating the
> > mellotron.  The
> > Nord Electro comes to mind (nice Rhodes and Clav
> > sounds)
> > 
> > -jh
> > 
> > 
> > --- Andy Thompson <andy.thompson@...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Ken Leonard" <ken@...>
> > > To: "Mellotronists"
> > <Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 1:26 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Fw: [Mellotronists] 'Tron hate...
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > >Somebody on the list (Ken Leonard?) has a great
> > mp3 file
> > > of an A/B test
> > > of a
> > > > >real Mellotron and a sampled Mellotron (eMu
> > Vintage
> > > Synth, if I recall)
> > > > >posted on their site - about fifteen minutes of
> > same
> > > phrases
> > > back-and-forth,
> > > 
> > > Had Ken actually done the A-B with the Emu box, it
> > would've
> > > been a
> > > grotequely unfair comparison - those have to be
> > some of the
> > > worst 'Tron
> > > samples I've come across.
> > > 
> > > > It's M400 #805 vs. the Roland M-VS1.
> > > 
> > > Despite the fact that I use the same unit live,
> > the
> > > comparison's still
> > > pretty unfair! About an octave of useable choirs,
> > I think.
> > > 
> > > > Hmmm...Maybe the REAL comparison is comparing
> > #805 to its
> > > sampled self
> > > > (which I can also do on my PC)?  Nawww, I have
> > to
> > > rearrange my sock
> > > drawer.
> > > 
> > > Oh go on, Ken... That would be the fairest
> > comparison, but
> > > I think we all
> > > know who'd win.
> > > 
> > > Andy T.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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Tips for inspecting a mellotron

2005-04-25 by John Hofmeyer

Hello,

just wanted to thank everyone who responded to my post about
a month ago, requesting information about inspecting a
mellotron for purchase.

In the end, I did not make the trek to see the instrument. 
The door to my jeep fell off, so I asked a keyboard player
friend if he'd be interested in checking out the instrument.

The whole thing turned sour, and I had a flight early the
next morning.  I have, however, kept all of your responses
and will be compiling them all to write an authoritive book
on inspecting and trouble-shooting the mellotron...

-jh

Re: Fw: [Mellotronists] 'Tron hate...

2005-04-25 by NormLeete@aol.com

In a message dated 25/04/2005 19:22:37 GMT Daylight Time, easle12@...  
writes:

The  problem with that box is the VERY limited
amount of sample memory available  and the stretching
and re-mapping of the samples to fit that chunk  of
real estate. Sounds bad because there's NO bandwidth!

Plus, to  make matters worse, they looped the thing.
Yuk.



However you can get closer by adding a small amount of randomness to the  
pitch and making the envelopes stop after 8 seconds.
 
Norm

Re: Fw: [Mellotronists] 'Tron hate...

2005-04-25 by mark kasian

Exactly Andy. When I asked Dave about this he told me
that he practically begged Kevin to sample the tron
instead of the masters...of course, arguing that the
sound was, in large part, a product of the machinery. 

In the end, the failure of that sampling application
led MA to produce the Pinder disk and that has been
quite popular. Have you heard the Opitgan disk that he
did? It's a riot! I wish they would hurry up with the
2nd tron/chamberlin CDROM. 

Markus?

Mark.
--- Andy Thompson <andy.thompson@...> wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "mark kasian" <easle12@...>
> To: "John Hofmeyer" <j_hofmeyer@...>;
> "Mellotronists"
> <Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 7:19 PM
> Subject: Re: Fw: [Mellotronists] 'Tron hate...
> 
> 
> >
> > Wrong.
> >
> > They were samples from the masters that Kean has.
> > Project designer was Kevin Monahan with Riley
> Smith in
> > tow. The problem with that box is the VERY limited
> > amount of sample memory available and the
> stretching
> > and re-mapping of the samples to fit that chunk of
> > real estate. Sounds bad because there's NO
> bandwidth!
> >
> > Plus, to make matters worse, they looped the
> thing.
> > Yuk.
> >
> > A better version is the set that they released for
> the
> > E4...but still not as good as the Pinder disk and
> not
> > really close at all to the real deal....natch.
> >
> >
> > Mark.
> 
> Which explains the 'sampled from a tape' story. They
> were - the masters.
> Still sounds like a pile o'poo, though, but the
> memory/bandwith explanation
> makes a lot of sense. Thanks for that one, Mark.
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> 

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Re: Fw: [Mellotronists] 'Tron hate...

2005-04-25 by Ken Leonard

> However you can get closer by adding a small amount of randomness to 
the  
> pitch and making the envelopes stop after 8 seconds.

And if you're a TD fan, you can leave out all but about five notes per 
octave, thus economizing memory use even further!

...kl...
M400 #805 - don't play the keys with the sticky tape on them
M400 #1037 - yeah, it's "a minor" problem if you do...giggle...

Re: Fw: [Mellotronists] 'Tron hate...

2005-04-25 by tony

Hey! A lot can be said with a few notes!

Tony
M400 #510
T-Dreaming since 73
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Fw: [Mellotronists] 'Tron hate...

2005-04-26 by tron@blackcat.demon.co.uk

In the recent message <20050425165927.66043.qmail@...>
you wrote...

> I'm pretty certain that they only sampled a few of the notes and went
> from there.

I owned an Emulator once. The Tron 'samples' were horrid and were only
representative of the source sound every 'G'. he rest were squashed or
stretched to suit, and the sustain on it was vibratoed to death and had
a very noticable 'clik' evry three quarters of a second or so. It also
sounded only slightly better than an Orchestron. The brass was the worst
by far - it could have been anything.

Mike Dickson (tron@...) M400 #996
The Official Cynic of Streetly Electronics
Streetly Sample Library http://www.blackcat.demon.co.uk/tron/

Re: Fw: [Mellotronists] 'Tron hate...

2005-04-26 by Jeff Coulter

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005, John Hofmeyer wrote:

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> I've always thought that the result of an analog summing buss
> is much more 'natural' sounding than digital.


A + B = AB
00000000 + 00000001 DOES NOT = AB

...jeff [who always failed algebra for obvious reasons...]
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Re: Fw: [Mellotronists] 'Tron hate...

2005-04-26 by NormLeete@aol.com

In a message dated 25/04/2005 23:47:10 GMT Daylight Time, ken@...  
writes:

And if  you're a TD fan, you can leave out all but about five notes per 
octave,  thus economizing memory use even further!


But I am a TD fan, so that is why it sounds OK!
 
Norm
(sticking to all the minor keys...)

Re: Fw: [Mellotronists] 'Tron hate...

2005-04-26 by NormLeete@aol.com

In a message dated 26/04/2005 19:49:38 GMT Daylight Time, jeffc@...  
writes:

>  I've always thought that the result of an analog summing buss
> is much  more 'natural' sounding than digital.


Norms first law of decent sounding instruments holds up in most cases  states 
that an instrument's fatness is proportional to the number of separate  
voices that are summed in an analogue way.
(Mellotron, Fairlight, Oberheim polys, Jupiters,Linn drums, etc  etc...)
 
Its an analogue world dammit...
 
Norm

Re: Fw: [Mellotronists] 'Tron hate...

2005-04-26 by tony

Well put Norm!
Tony
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In a message dated 25/04/2005 23:47:10 GMT Daylight Time, ken@... writes:
And if you're a TD fan, you can leave out all but about five notes per
octave, thus economizing memory use even further!
But I am a TD fan, so that is why it sounds OK!
Norm
(sticking to all the minor keys...)

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