Mellotronists

Yes but (if that's not too crazy thing to do;-)
getting back to the subject of Mellotron music -

the plain fact is that my favourite album of all time (so far),
namely the mellotron-drenched "EPSILON IN MALYSIAN PALE"
by that everyman of bad hair days, Edgar Froese, of 1975....

.... is now available to re-buy on-line from Edgar's website
in re-made/re-modelled 2004-vintage for.

I fear I have already ordered a copy and it is winging its
way to me from Berlin...

...I have an awful suspician that Edgar will have replaced all
the original mellotron by digital modelling algorithms of him
being sick in his own hair or sthg, "whilst playing tasty guitar".

You have been warned.


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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005, David Davis wrote:

> 
> Yes but (if that's not too crazy thing to do;-)
> getting back to the subject of Mellotron music -
> 
> the plain fact is that my favourite album of all time (so far),
> namely the mellotron-drenched "EPSILON IN MALYSIAN PALE"
> by that everyman of bad hair days, Edgar Froese, of 1975....
> 
> .... is now available to re-buy on-line from Edgar's website
> in re-made/re-modelled 2004-vintage for.


wtf? suddenly he is "edgar w froese".

i hope it's not really butchered.
please let us know what what the deal is.

i hope it's not what is being played on his website as
this album... it sounds like yanni. if this is it he'll
not get a nickel from me for this one... i bought the
"macula transfer" authorized reissue when it came out,
but it's the actual original recording - no wanking.

edgar froese - the george lucas of electronic music.
[and i do not mean that in a good way]


> I fear I have already ordered a copy and it is winging its
> way to me from Berlin...
> 
> ...I have an awful suspician that Edgar will have replaced all
> the original mellotron by digital modelling algorithms of him
> being sick in his own hair or sthg, "whilst playing tasty guitar".
> 
> You have been warned.
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k

"Macula Transfer" was officially re-issued?

I seem to have missed that :-(

Never heard it yet,
but I always hoped it might be as good as 'Epsilon...'
and 'Rubycon'.
Whatever drugs Edgar was taking in 1975, they were good ones :-)


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From: "Jeff Coulter" <jeffc@...>
To: <Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 4:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Yes but Epsilon in Malaysian Pale


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> On Sat, 15 Jan 2005, David Davis wrote:
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>> Yes but (if that's not too crazy thing to do;-)
>> getting back to the subject of Mellotron music -
>>
>> the plain fact is that my favourite album of all time (so far),
>> namely the mellotron-drenched "EPSILON IN MALYSIAN PALE"
>> by that everyman of bad hair days, Edgar Froese, of 1975....
>>
>> .... is now available to re-buy on-line from Edgar's website
>> in re-made/re-modelled 2004-vintage for.
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> wtf? suddenly he is "edgar w froese".
>
> i hope it's not really butchered.
> please let us know what what the deal is.
>
> i hope it's not what is being played on his website as
> this album... it sounds like yanni. if this is it he'll
> not get a nickel from me for this one... i bought the
> "macula transfer" authorized reissue when it came out,
> but it's the actual original recording - no wanking.
>
> edgar froese - the george lucas of electronic music.
> [and i do not mean that in a good way]
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>> I fear I have already ordered a copy and it is winging its
>> way to me from Berlin...
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>> ...I have an awful suspician that Edgar will have replaced all
>> the original mellotron by digital modelling algorithms of him
>> being sick in his own hair or sthg, "whilst playing tasty guitar".
>>
>> You have been warned.
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>> http://www.feline1.co.uk
> k
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>...I have an awful suspician that Edgar will have replaced all
>the original mellotron by digital modelling algorithms of him
>being sick in his own hair or sthg, "whilst playing tasty guitar".

It has been Tangentized.  If you go to his site, you can hear parts of it 
(parts of several of his tracks actually as you are surfing 
http://www.edgarfroese.com), and Epsilon has all kinds of new stuff added 
('tron is still there, though).  They even indicate in the description that 
it was partially re-recorded.

I remember a discussion of this whole "Tangentization" issue on the TD 
e-mail list years ago.  Many people don't like it.  Hey, it's his stuff, he 
can do what he wants with it.

I may pick up the new one just for "variations on a theme", but it seems he 
just throws new things on top of what's there for the sake of it, and for 
me that takes away from the original.  Although I haven't heard "Tangents", 
I didn't really like "Beyond the Storm" (a Tangentized Froese 
best-of).  That may have been because I wanted more 'tron, though.  :-)

It'll be interesting to see what folks think of the re-worked "Epsilon", 
the original of which should already be in everyone 'tron fan's library.

...kl...
M400 #805 - somewhat original
M400 #1037 - somewhat less original

In the recent message <6.1.1.1.0.20050114205526.019ad9c0@...>
you wrote...

> I remember a discussion of this whole "Tangentization" issue on the TD
> e-mail list years ago.  Many people don't like it.  Hey, it's his stuff, he
> can do what he wants with it.

Exactly. And whatever he chooses to do with 'Epsilon' has to be an
improvement on the original. It's maybe the most aimless bit of drivel
I've ever heard, Mellotrons or otherwise.

Mike Dickson (tron@...) M400 #996
The Official Cynic of Streetly Electronics
Streetly Sample Library http://www.blackcat.demon.co.uk/tron/

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005, Ken Leonard wrote:

> 
> 
> >...I have an awful suspician that Edgar will have replaced all
> >the original mellotron by digital modelling algorithms of him
> >being sick in his own hair or sthg, "whilst playing tasty guitar".
> 
> It has been Tangentized.  If you go to his site, you can hear parts of it 
> (parts of several of his tracks actually as you are surfing 
> http://www.edgarfroese.com), and Epsilon has all kinds of new stuff added 
> ('tron is still there, though).  They even indicate in the description that 
> it was partially re-recorded.


ugh.


> I remember a discussion of this whole "Tangentization" issue on the TD 
> e-mail list years ago.  Many people don't like it.  Hey, it's his stuff, he 
> can do what he wants with it.


but that doesn't mean people will like it... necessarily.


> I may pick up the new one just for "variations on a theme", but it seems he 
> just throws new things on top of what's there for the sake of it, and for 
> me that takes away from the original.  Although I haven't heard "Tangents", 
> I didn't really like "Beyond the Storm" (a Tangentized Froese 
> best-of).  That may have been because I wanted more 'tron, though.  :-)


bought both of those.
played them once.
i'm glad i have all the original LPs and a working turntable.
[plus most of the catalog on CD - at least what's been available]


> It'll be interesting to see what folks think of the re-worked "Epsilon", 
> the original of which should already be in everyone 'tron fan's library.


agreed.
even if "ypsilon" [as my brain/metronome LP is titled] is kind
of just noodling for a good part, it's a very atmospheric LP.
i'll not be buying the new version however.
i like it the way it is.

> ...kl...
> M400 #805 - somewhat original
> M400 #1037 - somewhat less original

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005, David Davis wrote:

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> "Macula Transfer" was officially re-issued?


in a very limited edition on mario schonwalder's manikin records
back in 1998. [and bootlegged and sold on ebay almost immediately]

here's a little story about the release:
http://www.vitn.homepage.t-online.de/maculatr.htm


> I seem to have missed that :-(
> 
> Never heard it yet,
> but I always hoped it might be as good as 'Epsilon...'
> and 'Rubycon'.
> Whatever drugs Edgar was taking in 1975, they were good ones :-)


IMHO it's not really as good as either, but has a specific
sort quirky sound - it's sort of.. "thinner" than the full
blown tangerine dream ensemble [wall of sequencers] sound.

drugs? who mentioned drugs? ;0)

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From: <tron@...>

> Exactly. And whatever he chooses to do with 'Epsilon' has to be an
> improvement on the original. It's maybe the most aimless bit of drivel
> I've ever heard, Mellotrons or otherwise.


Eh?! It's *meant* to be aimless -
it makes it more hynagogic,
the listener's brain-state finally passing beyond delta-waves
into a previously unknown *epsilon* state :-)

PS - I heard your favourite Tangerine Dream album was 'Cyclone' :-)


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On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 tron@... wrote:

> So if I make a crap CD and tell everyone that it's meant to be crap then
> it's actually alright?


in your opinion it's crap.
your opinion is not my opinion etc etc.

for me it serves a purpose, much like eno's "music for airports" does.

yes, i think it's indulgent noodling.
but if i didn't like it i would not have bought it.
i do and i did.
whatcha gonna do about it biyatch?

[things have been too quiet and peaceful here for at least 2 days,
so let's start the namecalling and insulting again! dammitt!]


> Hmm. That would make it non-crap, which would make my assertion
> meaningless and hence would never change the CD's crap-state. This is
> the sort of paradox that 1960s TV computers with big spinning tape reels
> would listen to, digest and then explode about.
> 
> > PS - I heard your favourite Tangerine Dream album was 'Cyclone' :-)
> 
> Oh *isn't* Steve Joliffe just the greatest singer ever?


he's "dreamy" isn't he?

;0)

...jeff

Well screw you guyz,
Epsilon in Malaysian Pale is my favourite album of all time,
so yickens to the lot of ye :-)

(if you must know,
it's because I've never found a piece of music that's so evocative
and consistently suceeds in changing my mood -
pretty much ALWAYS puts me in daydreaming theta-wave brain state...
...which is a state I value very highly.
A beautiful way to get bored, you might say ;-)

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----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Jeff Coulter" <jeffc@...>
To: <Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 5:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Yes but Epsilon in Malaysian Pale


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> On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 tron@... wrote:
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>> So if I make a crap CD and tell everyone that it's meant to be crap then
>> it's actually alright?
>
>
> in your opinion it's crap.
> your opinion is not my opinion etc etc.
>
> for me it serves a purpose, much like eno's "music for airports" does.
>
> yes, i think it's indulgent noodling.
> but if i didn't like it i would not have bought it.
> i do and i did.
> whatcha gonna do about it biyatch?
>
> [things have been too quiet and peaceful here for at least 2 days,
> so let's start the namecalling and insulting again! dammitt!]
>
>
>> Hmm. That would make it non-crap, which would make my assertion
>> meaningless and hence would never change the CD's crap-state. This is
>> the sort of paradox that 1960s TV computers with big spinning tape reels
>> would listen to, digest and then explode about.
>>
>> > PS - I heard your favourite Tangerine Dream album was 'Cyclone' :-)
>>
>> Oh *isn't* Steve Joliffe just the greatest singer ever?
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> he's "dreamy" isn't he?
>
> ;0)
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> ...jeff
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> whatcha gonna do about it biyatch?
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> [things have been too quiet and peaceful here for at least 2 days,
> so let's start the namecalling and insulting again! dammitt!]

Hello Zontar,

I'm new here and don't quite know my way around yet.

However, you must be looking for "abuse".

I'm looking for "therapy", but so far all I've found is "arguments". 

Feels like i'm stuck in a Monty Python skit.


Regards,
Jim

- screwed by lawyers so many times I'm starting to like it ...

I couldn't have put it better myself. Happily thanks to Jerry K. I have a CD 
coming!
2 copies on vinyl do me no good since the age of CDs.

Tony
M400 SM #510
continuing to please after it's visit to Streetly!
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From: "David Davis" <feline1@...>
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Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Yes but Epsilon in Malaysian Pale


>
> Well screw you guyz,
> Epsilon in Malaysian Pale is my favourite album of all time,
> so yickens to the lot of ye :-)
>
> (if you must know,
> it's because I've never found a piece of music that's so evocative
> and consistently suceeds in changing my mood -
> pretty much ALWAYS puts me in daydreaming theta-wave brain state...
> ...which is a state I value very highly.
> A beautiful way to get bored, you might say ;-)
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> http://www.feline1.co.uk
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jeff Coulter" <jeffc@...>
> To: <Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 5:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Yes but Epsilon in Malaysian Pale
>
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>>
>> On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 tron@... wrote:
>>
>>> So if I make a crap CD and tell everyone that it's meant to be crap then
>>> it's actually alright?
>>
>>
>> in your opinion it's crap.
>> your opinion is not my opinion etc etc.
>>
>> for me it serves a purpose, much like eno's "music for airports" does.
>>
>> yes, i think it's indulgent noodling.
>> but if i didn't like it i would not have bought it.
>> i do and i did.
>> whatcha gonna do about it biyatch?
>>
>> [things have been too quiet and peaceful here for at least 2 days,
>> so let's start the namecalling and insulting again! dammitt!]
>>
>>
>>> Hmm. That would make it non-crap, which would make my assertion
>>> meaningless and hence would never change the CD's crap-state. This is
>>> the sort of paradox that 1960s TV computers with big spinning tape reels
>>> would listen to, digest and then explode about.
>>>
>>> > PS - I heard your favourite Tangerine Dream album was 'Cyclone' :-)
>>>
>>> Oh *isn't* Steve Joliffe just the greatest singer ever?
>>
>>
>> he's "dreamy" isn't he?
>>
>> ;0)
>>
>> ...jeff
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> > Exactly. And whatever he chooses to do with 'Epsilon' has to be an
> > improvement on the original. It's maybe the most aimless bit of drivel
> > I've ever heard, Mellotrons or otherwise.
>
> Eh?! It's *meant* to be aimless -
> it makes it more hynagogic,
> the listener's brain-state finally passing beyond delta-waves
> into a previously unknown *epsilon* state :-)

So if I make a crap CD and tell everyone that it's meant to be crap then
it's actually alright?

Hmm. That would make it non-crap, which would make my assertion
meaningless and hence would never change the CD's crap-state. This is
the sort of paradox that 1960s TV computers with big spinning tape reels
would listen to, digest and then explode about.

> PS - I heard your favourite Tangerine Dream album was 'Cyclone' :-)

Oh *isn't* Steve Joliffe just the greatest singer ever?

Mike Dickson (tron@...) M400 #996
The Official Cynic of Streetly Electronics
Streetly Sample Library http://www.blackcat.demon.co.uk/tron/