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Re: Pinch rollers, tapes, etc...

2005-01-10 by lsf5275@aol.com

For all of you shortsighted folks out there, let me remind you... there are 
many ways to solve the problems that we face in life, including problems with 
pinch rollers. I think we'll end up being OK in the tape department as well. 

What is the point in ragging on Streetly, MA or anyone else about this? Who 
is being served? Some of these posts have been appalling!

In dealing with the ownership and maintenance of Mellotrons or motorcycles, 
one's wallet must be included in the equation. Not everyone has the resources 
to replace parts. Therefore rehabilitating existing ones seems a pretty good 
second choice to me. The object is to get the machine to play as well as it can 
be made to play within the financial and servicing capabilities of its owner.

So can we move on.

Frank (Mellotron owner & servicer)

Re: [Mellotronists] Re: Pinch rollers, tapes, etc...

2005-01-10 by mark kasian

Ok Frank. Let's say that there are 2000 Mellotrons and
Chamberlins out there. This list is what, 100 people?
200? If that's the demographic for Mellotron business
and these guys are going to quibble over 250.00 worth
of parts that are the BIGGEST problem with the
instrument....then both Streetly and MA are in big
trouble if they continue to invest in projects like
new pinch rollers, or new anything else that requires
tooling or large "up front" investments.

What's my "axe to grind"? That this list is so long on
air and short on support for either supplier. Martin
has complained on numerous occasions about the lack of
business from this list...Markus rarely comments
because he's busy building machines and parts that he
sells to everyone BUT this list. He's sold 50+ Mk
VI's. They've gotten glowing reviews in the trades.
And he goes out of his way to help people...many of
whom are on this list but won't vocally support him
when the slag starts flying from the other side. Don't
hear much from Andy T. during those moments, now do
we? Why is that? Because he cant' tell you the perfect
temperature for pouring Guiness? Because he doesn't
call himself Gertrude?

Appallng? I'll tell you what's appalling; that both
Streetly and Mellotron Archives aren't getting rich
from their efforts. I don't like Martin's tone, he
hates my guts. Fine. This ain't a personality contest,
but I admire him and John for the same reasons that I
admire Kean and Markus Resch, they are trying
desparately to keep the Mellotron vital in the music
world against odds like these. 

Wonder that they bother.

Mark Kasian.
--- lsf5275@... wrote:

> For all of you shortsighted folks out there, let me
> remind you... there are 
> many ways to solve the problems that we face in
> life, including problems with 
> pinch rollers. I think we'll end up being OK in the
> tape department as well. 
> 
> What is the point in ragging on Streetly, MA or
> anyone else about this? Who 
> is being served? Some of these posts have been
> appalling!
> 
> In dealing with the ownership and maintenance of
> Mellotrons or motorcycles, 
> one's wallet must be included in the equation. Not
> everyone has the resources 
> to replace parts. Therefore rehabilitating existing
> ones seems a pretty good 
> second choice to me. The object is to get the
> machine to play as well as it can 
> be made to play within the financial and servicing
> capabilities of its owner.
> 
> So can we move on.
> 
> Frank (Mellotron owner & servicer)
> 


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Re: [Mellotronists] Re: Pinch rollers, tapes, etc...

2005-01-10 by lsf5275@aol.com

Mark,
 
I don't recall singling you out, but... Facts are, I have spent a ton of  
money with Streetly and a substantial amount with Marcus (I don't really  
consider Dave as an active part of the production/sales side of MA). Because I  
repair/restore M-400s on occasion, I have reason to do so. I also have a fairly  
decent inventory of spare parts as well as eight tape frames and three other  
tape sets.
 
However, I have spoke or corresponded with Mellotron owners  on  and off the 
list who are just plain reluctant to invest in anything beyond  owning a 
Mellotron for the sake of owning one. Unfortunately for us in the US,  the American 
dollar is performing poorly against other currencies, especially  the British 
Pound Sterling. This has got to make it doubly tough on Streetly's  ability 
to market to the US. 
 
You may want to consider that a lot of Tron owners come to this list after  
acquiring their machines. 
 
Lastly, in support of Streetly, I will tell you that They are building  their 
business without the resources that Dave Kean had. They were/are strictly  a 
self contained enterprise that has continuously reinvested its income into  
developing new sounds and new parts. Soon there will be new machines as well. I  
am sure, as with everything else I have ever seen from them, the quality will 
be  second to none.
 
An, although Markus is a great guy and a terrific craftsman and innovator,  
there have been no new additions to the world library of Mellotron sounds from  
MA. Also, the first Mark IV didn't just show up out of the blue. It took a 
long  time to produce the prototype. Then, once production began, it is well 
known  that the first machines were inundated with problems that seemingly took a 
 couple of years to finally get the bugs worked out.  Perhaps Streetly is  
being a bit more cautious with so much at stake. Finally, Streetly has built its 
 business on the acquisition, restoration and resale of existing machines. 
There  is certainly no one more capable then they to do so.
 
If you purchase new rollers or other parts from MA, solved your problems  and 
are happy, so be it. As for Andy, he is a frequent and positive contributor  
to this list. He is also a musician who uses his Mellotron for its intended  
purpose. He also obviously has other financial responsibilities that limit how  
much he has to invest in his machine,as do most of us.
 
Enjoy your Mellotron. I think you have beat whatever point you are trying  to 
make into the ground.
 
Peace,
 
Frank

Re: [Mellotronists] Re: Pinch rollers, tapes, etc...

2005-01-10 by tronbros@aol.com

To Mark and all,

First of all I don't hate anyone in particular, Mark included, although there 
may be a fat bastard somewhere I can't stand but that's for another day.

So let's get a few things said and I'll be off for a nice cuppa tea.

Vance asked about grinding pinchrollers and Mark got all silly about the 
futility of it.  He's wrong.  If I have to explain why then we're in drongo land 
and I'll feed him a warm banana.  

> Markus rarely comments
> because he's busy building machines and parts that he
> sells to everyone BUT this list.

We comment quite regularly with hints, tips and general info.  We are also 
busy.  Very busy.  Busy enough to support three guys full time each week of 
every year without having to translate, wash dishes or play cabaret in the 
evenings.  Not a bad achievement when we don't own the mellotron name or have DK's 
head start.  We do have an order book that stretches into 2006 so we're doing 
something right and the US is still a major market for us. To sum up, you can 
always find time to contribute.


> many of whom are on this list but won't vocally support him(Markus)
> when the slag starts flying from the other side.

We have no problems with Markus and applaud his work.  I don't remember 
slagging him.  We wouldn't necessarily implement everything as he has done but that 
is only to be expected.  We are individual businesses with our own solutions 
and with John's mellotronic education in the orignal factory, I'll stick with 
his judgements based on good engineering and electrical practice.  He also 
favours grinding pinchrollers Mark.

> 
> Appallng? I'll tell you what's appalling; that both
> Streetly and Mellotron Archives aren't getting rich
> from their efforts. 

Never really expected to. Les and his brothers didn't so why should anything 
change?  I do like walking across the lawn to the workshop though and that 
means a rich, comfortable life but without the wealth.

Did I mention grinding pinchrollers or grinding boredom from dullards with 
trite comments and little intellect.

I don't hate you Mark, just wish you'd lighten up, make a joke, get irony, 
enjoy the bizarre and ridiculous rather than drag us all down with drab mail.  

Did I mention grinding pinchrollers?

Martin
Streetly Electronics - all things MELLOTRONIC - click this link..........

US East Coast Agent: Jimmy Moore - JMoore6397@...

West Coast Service Agent:  Paul J Cox - pjc56@...

Re: [Mellotronists] Re: Pinch rollers, tapes, etc...

2005-01-10 by lsf5275@aol.com

Yeah Martin,
 
That's all well and good, but what about the benefit of grinding pinch  
rollers as opposed to replacing them with new ones? Could you please place  your 
answer within the constructs of a cost based flow analysis versus  the time 
delay / extra-continental materials acquisition method, taking into  account a 
needs vs. wants vs. "likes" approach so that we can all feel a little  more 
comfortable?
 
Bud

Re: [Mellotronists] Re: Pinch rollers, tapes, etc...

2005-01-10 by tronbros@aol.com

In a message dated 10/1/05 7:46:28 PM GMT Standard Time, lsf5275@... 
writes:


> That's all well and good, but what about the benefit of grinding pinch 
> rollers as opposed to replacing them with new ones? Could you please place your 
> answer within the constructs of a cost based flow analysis versus the time 
> delay / extra-continental materials acquisition method, taking into account a 
> needs vs. wants vs. "likes" approach so that we can all feel a little more 
> comfortable?

Sorry.  My recent mail regarding pinch roller grinding should be read within 
the constructs of a cost based flow analysis versus the time delay / 
extra-continental materials acquisition method, taking into account a needs vs. wants 
vs. "likes".

Martin
Streetly Electronics - all things MELLOTRONIC - click this link..........

US East Coast Agent: Jimmy Moore - JMoore6397@...

West Coast Service Agent:  Paul J Cox - pjc56@...

Re: [Mellotronists] Re: Pinch rollers, tapes, etc...

2005-01-10 by jonesalley

Sorry. My recent mail regarding pinch roller grinding should be read within the constructs of a cost based flow analysis versus the time delay / extra-continental materials acquisition method, taking into account a needs vs. wants vs. "likes".
Sheesh! Even the Brits don't speak English any more...

Re: [Mellotronists] Re: Pinch rollers, tapes, etc...

2005-01-10 by Colin Crawford

On 10 Jan 2005, at 20:02, tronbros@... wrote:

> In a message dated 10/1/05 7:46:28 PM GMT Standard Time, 
> lsf5275@... writes:
>
>
>
> That's all well and good, but what about the benefit of grinding pinch 
> rollers as opposed to replacing them with new ones? Could you please 
> place your answer within the constructs of a cost based flow analysis 
> versus the time delay / extra-continental materials acquisition 
> method, taking into account a needs vs. wants vs. "likes" approach so 
> that we can all feel a little more comfortable?
>
>
>  Sorry.  My recent mail regarding pinch roller grinding should be read 
> within the constructs of a cost based flow analysis versus the time 
> delay / extra-continental materials acquisition method, taking into 
> account a needs vs. wants vs. "likes".
>

That's as maybe, but please can you explain what an "extra-continental 
materials acquisition method" actually *is* ?

Cheers!

C

http://www.s-club.co.uk
        Sundae Club*
         PO Box 862
         Cheltenham
           GL52 2XT

Re: [Mellotronists] Re: Pinch rollers, tapes, etc...

2005-01-10 by Colin Crawford

On 10 Jan 2005, at 21:01, jonesalley wrote:

> "That's as maybe, but please can you explain what an 
> "extra-continental materials acquisition method" actually *is* ?"
>  
> -----I think it's got something to do with buying a Lincoln.

Ah!!

The ugly car with the spare wheel mounted just so you can't load 
anything into the boot, as driven by fat '70s detectives!?

C



http://www.s-club.co.uk
        Sundae Club*
         PO Box 862
         Cheltenham
           GL52 2XT

Re: [Mellotronists] Re: Pinch rollers, tapes, etc...

2005-01-10 by jonesalley

Ah!!

The ugly car with the spare wheel mounted just so you can't load
anything into the boot, as driven by fat '70s detectives!?



That's the one!  Seven gallons per mile, 8-track stereo, power everything 
and polyester hound's-tooth upholstery.  Gosh, it takes me back to the good 
old days when Mellotrons ruled the Earth...

Re: [Mellotronists] Re: Pinch rollers, tapes, etc...

2005-01-10 by lsf5275@aol.com

In a message dated 1/10/2005 4:30:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
g-colin.crawford@... writes:

Ah!!

The ugly car with the spare wheel mounted just so you can't  load 
anything into the boot, as driven by fat '70s  detectives!?

C



Hey wait a minute... That's "Canon" yer talkin' about.
 
F

Re: [Mellotronists] Re: Pinch rollers, tapes, etc...

2005-01-10 by jonesalley

Hey wait a minute... That's "Canon" yer talkin' about.
Actually, "Row, Row, Row Your Boat" is a canon. The fat, bald, cigar-chomping, Mark IV-driving detective was "Cannon."
Yours,
The Department of Anal Linguistics

Re: [Mellotronists] Re: Pinch rollers, tapes, etc...

2005-01-10 by Jeff Coulter

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, jonesalley wrote:

>  Hey wait a minute... That's "Canon" yer talkin' about.
> 
> Actually, "Row, Row, Row Your Boat" is a canon.  The fat, bald, cigar-chomping, Mark IV-driving detective was "Cannon."


i've never driven a mkiv.
dying to take professor jerry's mkvi for a drive however...
[it seats 7]

were the tyres new or "ground" on cannon's mkiv?
if you owned cannon's mkiv would you replace the tyres or have them
ground by streetly? [would it still be a "quinn MARTIN production"?!]

;0)

jeff
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> Yours,
> The Department of Anal Linguistics
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Re: [Mellotronists] Re: Pinch rollers, tapes, etc...

2005-01-10 by lsf5275@aol.com

In a message dated 1/10/2005 5:44:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jeffc@... writes:

i've  never driven a mkiv.
dying to take professor jerry's mkvi for a drive  however...
[it seats 7]

were the tyres new or "ground" on cannon's  mkiv?
if you owned cannon's mkiv would you replace the tyres or have  them
ground by streetly? [would it still be a "quinn MARTIN  production"?!]
 
More likely a Quim / Martin production

Re: [Mellotronists] Re: Pinch rollers, tapes, etc...

2005-01-10 by Ken Leonard

At 02:25 PM 1/10/2005, tronbros@... wrote:
>To Mark and all,
>
>First of all I don't hate anyone in particular, Mark included, although 
>there may be a fat bastard somewhere I can't stand but that's for another day.
>
>So let's get a few things said and I'll be off for a nice cuppa tea.

That's all well and good, but please answer me this:

Is it OK to evoke "Mary Had a Little Lamb" during an improv?

...kl...
M400 #805 - he didn't...
M400 #1037 - yeah, he did...

Re: [Mellotronists] Re: Pinch rollers, tapes, etc...

2005-01-11 by Colin Crawford

On 10 Jan 2005, at 22:42, Jeff Coulter wrote:


> were the tyres new or "ground" on cannon's mkiv?
> if you owned cannon's mkiv would you replace the tyres or have them
> ground by streetly?
It would still handle like a drunken pig on rollerblades no matter what 
you did to the tyres!



> [would it still be a "quinn MARTIN production"?!]
Ah!... Now I was an "Invaders" kinda guy!... I have the crooked pinky 
to prove it!! (This is opposed to Martinge's shrivelled little pinkie, 
but that's another story.....)

Heh heh heh!!!

Cxx

http://www.s-club.co.uk
        Sundae Club*
         PO Box 862
         Cheltenham
           GL52 2XT

Re: [Mellotronists] Re: Pinch rollers, tapes, etc...

2005-01-11 by lsf5275@aol.com

In a message dated 1/10/2005 7:34:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
g-colin.crawford@... writes:

Ah!...  Now I was an "Invaders" kinda guy!... I have the crooked pinky 
to prove  it!! (This is opposed to Martinge's shrivelled little pinkie, 
but that's  another story.....)



Gosh Colin,
 
You're way better connected with Streetly than I am. But I'm very cool with  
that.
 
Frank

RE: [Mellotronists] Re: Pinch rollers, tapes, etc...

2005-01-11 by Pomeroy Ranch

Sorry.  My recent mail regarding pinch roller grinding should be read
within the constructs of a cost based flow analysis versus the time
delay / extra-continental materials acquisition method, taking into
account a needs vs. wants vs. "likes".

Martin
 
<http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=298184.5639630.6699735.3001176/D=grplc
h/S=:HM/A=2495202/rand=794979294> 
Yes, Martin - but you still haven't told us who Helga is...

Re: Pinch rollers, tapes, etc...

2005-01-11 by bradschuman

> 
> "That's all well and good, but please answer me this:
> 
> Is it OK to evoke "Mary Had a Little Lamb" during an improv?
> 
> ...kl...
> M400 #805 - he didn't...
> M400 #1037 - yeah, he did..."

Why not..."God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen" worked for Iron Butterfly!

Brad

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