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Actaully yes you're right, - it wasn't the October date nor the last November Thursday but rather the second last Thursday. in November.

From Wikipedia:

Ever since 1863, Thanksgiving has been observed annually in the United States.

In 1939, President Roosevelt declared that Thanksgiving would be the penultimate (second to last) Thursday of November rather than the last. With the country still in the midst of The Great Depression, Roosevelt thought this would give merchants a longer period to sell goods before Christmas. Increasing profits and spending during this period, Roosevelt hoped, would aid bringing the country out of the Depression. At the time, it was considered inappropriate to advertise goods for Christmas until after Thanksgiving. However, Roosevelt's declaration was not mandatory; 23 states went along with this recommendation, and 22 did not. Other states, like Texas, could not decide and took both weeks as government holidays. Roosevelt persisted in 1940 to celebrate his "Franksgiving," as it was termed. The United States Congress in 1941 split the difference and established that the Thanksgiving would occur annually on the fourth Thursday of November, which was sometimes the last Thursday and sometimes the next to last. On November 26 that year President Roosevelt signed this bill into US law.

Beginning in 1947, the National Turkey Federation has presented the President of the United States with one live turkey and two dressed turkeys. The live turkey is pardoned and lives out the rest of its days on a peaceful farm.

Since 1970 a group of Native Americans and others have held a National Day of Mourning protest on Thanksgiving at Plymouth Rock in Plymouth, Massachusetts.

see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving for more info if interested.

Chris

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob Snyder

Cc: Mellotronists

Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 7:22 PM

Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] female prog

From a speech given by Abraham Lincoln October 3, 1863:

"....I do therefore invite my fellow citizens in every part of the the United States, and also those who are at sea and those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November as a day of Thanksgiving and praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the heavens."

Bob S. (Not much of a historian)



Chris Dale wrote:

The Thanksgiving holiday was supposed to be celebrated originally in October (as Canadians do). During the Great Depression it was decided that it should be celebrated in November to get people to spend money to stimulate the economy between Halloween and Christmas.

Happy Thanksgiving

Perhaps a few lucky individuals can make a tron out of their mashed potatoes! Shades of Close Encounters of the Third Kind :)

Chris

The trouble with Thanksgiving is that it leaves those of us on the other side of the water utterly bemused. Or maybe it's just me. I'm now trying to think of something we celebrate that does the same in reverse. Various bank holidays whose origins are lost in the mists of time? Hogmanay (north of the border)? Mystifies us southerners, so God knows what Americans make of it. :-)

Andy T.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob Snyder

To: Mellotronists

Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 9:49 PM

Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] OFF TOPIC (Mellotronic content restored)

Thanks Chris.

I Love Wikipedia! In case anyone hasn't heard of it, it's a terrific on-line encyclopedia that anyone can contribute to. No entry for a subject you know about? Just write it yourself.

As an example of how cool it is check out their article on the Mellotron. I can't imagine a regular encyclopedia having such an extensive article. It even has links to web sites including Streetly, Kean, and Andy T.

Not to mention a bizarre comment re.Mellotron use on an Elton John album that has nothing of the sort. Good, informed article otherwise, on an excellent open-source resource.

Andy T.

Madman Accross the Water..."where all of the orchestral parts were provided  
by a studio Mellotron played by _Rick  Wakeman_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Wakeman) ." They must be joking! Paul Buckmaster would be very much  
offended by that! I know the tron is good but not that good! I might be wrong  but 
I don't think RW ever played on any of EJ's albums. I know that on Goodbye  
Yellow Brick Road, any tron that appeared there was played by EJ  himself.
Andy K

On 28 Nov 2004, at 14:28, David Davis wrote:

> Isn't there an Elton John track called "CURTAINS"

Elton John???

Who cares!!?

;-)

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In a message dated 28/11/2004 14:34:36 GMT Standard Time,  
g-colin.crawford@... writes:

Elton  John???

Who cares!!?




I do
 
Andy K

In a message dated 28/11/2004 14:30:05 GMT Standard Time,  
feline1@... writes:

Isn't there an Elton John track called  "CURTAINS"
(on Capt. Fantastic & the Brown  Dirt Cowboy) which 
closes the album with a load of  mellotron?



 
Indeed, and also "We all fall in love Sometimes" which precedes it.
 
Cheers.
Andy K

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Colin Crawford <g-colin.crawford@virgin.net>
> Date: 28 November 2004 17:52:23 GMT
> To: g-colin.crawford@virgin.net
> Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] OFF TOPIC (Mellotronic content restored)
>
> In a message dated 28/11/2004 14:34:36 GMT Standard Time, 
> g-colin.crawford@... writes:
>
> Elton John???
>
> Who cares!!?
>
>
> I do.
>
>  
>
> Andy K


Actually, so do I!!...... Just thought I'd have a dig at what that  one 
time genius has become, not at what he once was....

Thread (if it works) here: http://www.lemonjelly.ky/html/index.html  
Elton John thread on page 2 of Lemon Jelly Forum!!

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Andy K,

The liner notes to Madman Across the Water do indeed credit Rick Wakeman 
on organ on three tracks - Razor Face, Madman Across the Water, and 
Rotten Peaches. But I agree that there is no Tron on the album. But lots 
on some of his later work.

Seems to me that long ago someone on this list claimed that they were at 
the sessions for Daniel and that despite the liner notes crediting EJ on 
"Flute Mellotron", the only Tron on the track was the mandolin part 
(listen closely from the bridge on). Anybody else remember that?

Sorry Colin.

Bob S.


kinchmusic@... wrote:

> Madman Accross the Water..."where all of the orchestral parts were 
> provided by a studio Mellotron played by Rick Wakeman 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Wakeman>." They must be joking! 
> Paul Buckmaster would be very much offended by that! I know the tron 
> is good but not that good! I might be wrong but I don't think RW ever 
> played on any of EJ's albums. I know that on Goodbye Yellow Brick 
> Road, any tron that appeared there was played by EJ himself.
> Andy K
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On 28 Nov 2004, at 17:59, Bob Snyder wrote:

>
> Andy K,

> Seems to me that long ago someone on this list claimed that they were 
> at
> the sessions for Daniel and that despite the liner notes crediting EJ 
> on
> "Flute Mellotron", the only Tron on the track was the mandolin part
> (listen closely from the bridge on). Anybody else remember that?
>
> Sorry Colin.
>
> Bob S.

Heh heh!!

No problem!! .... As I said.... The man *was* a genius!
What happened?

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In a message dated 28/11/2004 18:02:43 GMT Standard Time,  
g-colin.crawford@... writes:

No  problem!! .... As I said.... The man *was* a genius!
What  happened?



Colin, I absolutely agree. His last truly great album was also the peak of  
his career...Goodbye Yellow Brick Road. At his very best, he was brilliant, but 
 I fear the songs have been in terminal decline since, as has his voice 
sadly. I  don't think he has anything like the range he once had, and I think this 
alone  restricts his writing. Can anyone think of a really good album since? 
Yes, there  have been occasional glimpses of his former brilliance, notably 
some of his  mid/late 70's singles, but more recent efforts are mediocre in 
comparison.
This is of course just an opinion, and I would love to hear what  others 
think.
On a slightly different, though still related topic, I saw him on TV here  in 
the UK recently with his current band, and I have to say that I thought Nigel 
 Olsen's drumming was simply brilliant. 
 
Andy K

In a message dated 28/11/2004 17:59:53 GMT Standard Time,  bob.snyder@... 
writes:

Seems to  me that long ago someone on this list claimed that they were at 
the  sessions for Daniel and that despite the liner notes crediting EJ on  
"Flute Mellotron", the only Tron on the track was the mandolin part  
(listen closely from the bridge on). Anybody else remember  that?




Bob, forgive my ignorance here but are they really trying to tell us that  
there was no mellotron flutes on Daniel?
They're having a laugh I think.
Tell you what has just come to me though. Remember EJ's version of Lucy in  
the Sky with Diamonds? Some fantastic flutes and strings on this track. Dare I  
say that it's better than the original! I see this is being included as a 
bonus  track on the soon to be released multi channel SACD of Captain Fantastic. 
Should  be good.
 
Andy K

----- Original Message -----

From: jonesalley

To: Mellotronists

Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 1:32 PM

Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] OFF TOPIC (Mellotronic content restored)

Thanks to both Andys for preserving what sanity I have. The Elton John/Wakeman reference really threw me as a seminal Wakeman fan. The only Mellotron I can recall on Elton John's material through about 1979 was on "Grey Seal" and if I recall correctly, Elton is credited on the liner notes as the Mellotronist. Although I haven't heard it in years, my memory of the orchestrations in question contradicted the idea that they were keyboard parts, so I'm really glad somebody said that before I had to ask the list! Also noted, the incorrect spelling of Harry "Chamberlain" in the article.

Jon/all

Have a look at my Elton review for a (to my knowledge) complete list of his 'Tron usage. Eight albums, if I remember correctly, including his latest.

http://freespace.virgin.net/andy.thompson/reviewsj.htm#elton

Andy T.

In a message dated 28/11/2004 17:59:53 GMT Standard Time, bob.snyder@... writes:

Seems to me that long ago someone on this list claimed that they were at
the sessions for Daniel and that despite the liner notes crediting EJ on
"Flute Mellotron", the only Tron on the track was the mandolin part
(listen closely from the bridge on). Anybody else remember that?

Bob, forgive my ignorance here but are they really trying to tell us that there was no mellotron flutes on Daniel?

They're having a laugh I think.

Tell you what has just come to me though. Remember EJ's version of Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds? Some fantastic flutes and strings on this track. Dare I say that it's better than the original! I see this is being included as a bonus track on the soon to be released multi channel SACD of Captain Fantastic. Should be good.

Andy K

Begin forwarded message:
>
> David Davis wrote:

>
> Yeah, he came on Jools Holland and played some bland rubbish,
>
> but the hilarious thing was that he brought his own grand piano,
>
> as Jools Holland's house grand wasn't good enough for him LOL
>
>  
>

Ah!!

Jools Holland is sponsored by Yamaha-Kemble to play their shite 
electronic "GranTouch" piano-in-a-grand-shaped-case, so the house 
joanna is actually a ponced-up 'puter, whilst our Elt is sponsored by 
Yamaha Piano Division to play a nice acoustic CF111-S concert grand.
Let's hope the one he used on Jools' show was tuned expertly, unlike 
the one he played at Diana, POW's funeral which unfortunately sounded 
like a bucket of springs. ;-)

Cx

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----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Colin Crawford" <g-colin.crawford@...>
To: <mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] OFF TOPIC (Mellotronic content restored)




Jools Holland is sponsored by Yamaha-Kemble to play their shite 
electronic "GranTouch" piano-in-a-grand-shaped-case, so the house 
joanna is actually a ponced-up 'puter, whilst our Elt is sponsored by 
Yamaha Piano Division to play a nice acoustic CF111-S concert grand.
Let's hope the one he used on Jools' show was tuned expertly, unlike 
the one he played at Diana, POW's funeral which unfortunately sounded 
like a bucket of springs. ;-)


And there was I thinking it was meant to sound like that.  :-)

Andy T.

I met Brian at one of Kean's Audities parties once and
this subject came up...mostly about Ken Scott. Brian
ALSO said that Ken remembers lots of stuff wrong.
Things that were refuted by Brian's Abbey Road studios
visits, other's accounts etc. 

I still think it's a tron.

Mark.

--- Bob Snyder <bob.snyder@...> wrote:

> kinchmusic@... wrote:
> 
> > In a message dated 28/11/2004 17:59:53 GMT
> Standard Time, 
> > bob.snyder@... writes:
> >
> >     Seems to me that long ago someone on this list
> claimed that they
> >     were at
> >     the sessions for Daniel and that despite the
> liner notes crediting
> >     EJ on
> >     "Flute Mellotron", the only Tron on the track
> was the mandolin part
> >     (listen closely from the bridge on). Anybody
> else remember that?
> >
> > Bob, forgive my ignorance here but are they really
> trying to tell us 
> > that there was no mellotron flutes on Daniel?
> > They're having a laugh I think.
> > Tell you what has just come to me though. Remember
> EJ's version of 
> > Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds? Some fantastic
> flutes and strings on 
> > this track. Dare I say that it's better than the
> original! I see this 
> > is being included as a bonus track on the soon to
> be released multi 
> > channel SACD of Captain Fantastic. Should be good.
> >  
> > Andy K
> 
> 
> Yes, they were really trying to tell us that. I know
> it sounds 
> sacrilegious, but the credentials are impeccable.
> Brian Kehew wrote to 
> this list back in '99 that he had a conversation
> with Ken Scott, 
> engineer on the "Don't Shoot Me.." and he claimed
> that he played the 
> flute part on an ARP 2500.
> 
> I dug up the email and have attached it. I
> remembered it because it was 
> such an earth shattering revelation. One reason I
> had always loved the 
> song was the gorgeous flute sound. This doesn't
> actually prove it wasn't 
> Tron - maybe he forgot. Maybe Brian made it up.
> Maybe they were having a 
> laugh.
> 
> I like EJ's LSD too. Great job.
> 
> And yes, I do save all the mail from this list :-)
> 
> Bob S.
> 
> 

> ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 name=Mellotronists:
Mellotron greatest Hits.eml
> From: MelloT@...
> Subject: Mellotronists: Mellotron greatest Hits
> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 05:14:07 EST
> To: mellotronists@...
> 
> << "Isn't Life Strange" would be a good alternative
> to KIWS.  Also, Don't
>  forget about some of Elton John's stuff.  "Daniel"
> or "Lucy in the Sky with
>  Diamonds" are obvious choices. >>
> 
> NIWS seems to be almost THE most noteworthy Tron
> track; imagine the song
> without it...
> 
> I was recently playing the MkII with Ken Scott (who
> recorded Bungalow Bill and
> the Mellotron o/dubs on Flying, and more...) He
> asked to hear the flutes, so I
> played the solo from "Daniel" which he also
> recorded, and he said - "that
> wasn't Mellotron, it was ME on the ARP 2500!"
>  
>   However, I pointed out that the mandolins in the
> background certainly are...
> Ken also says that there's no saxophone on
> "Suffragette City" - it's just ARP
> overdubs. Listen...
> 
> Brian Kehew
> 
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Colin Crawford" <g-colin.crawford@...>
To: <mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] OFF TOPIC (Mellotronic content restored)





Begin forwarded message:
>
> David Davis wrote:

>
> Yeah, he came on Jools Holland and played some bland rubbish,
>
> but the hilarious thing was that he brought his own grand piano,
>
> as Jools Holland's house grand wasn't good enough for him LOL
>
>
>

Ah!!

Jools Holland is sponsored by Yamaha-Kemble to play their shite
electronic "GranTouch" piano-in-a-grand-shaped-case, so the house
joanna is actually a ponced-up 'puter, whilst our Elt is sponsored by
Yamaha Piano Division to play a nice acoustic CF111-S concert grand.
Let's hope the one he used on Jools' show was tuned expertly, unlike
the one he played at Diana, POW's funeral which unfortunately sounded
like a bucket of springs. ;-)

Cx

http://www.s-club.co.uk
        Sundae Club*
         PO Box 862
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           GL52 2XT




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I remember us discussing this before. It *is* a mellotron throughout the
entire song with an Arp synth line that takes the keyboard solo. Sounds like
Scott's selective memory at best, an exaggerated self-view at worst.

Chris

----- Original Message -----

From: "mark kasian" <easle12@...>
To: "Bob Snyder" <bob.snyder@...>; <mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] OFF TOPIC (Mellotronic content restored)


>
> I met Brian at one of Kean's Audities parties once and
> this subject came up...mostly about Ken Scott. Brian
> ALSO said that Ken remembers lots of stuff wrong.
> Things that were refuted by Brian's Abbey Road studios
> visits, other's accounts etc.
>
> I still think it's a tron.
>
> Mark.
>
> --- Bob Snyder <bob.snyder@...> wrote:
>
> > kinchmusic@... wrote:
> >
> > > In a message dated 28/11/2004 17:59:53 GMT
> > Standard Time,
> > > bob.snyder@... writes:
> > >
> > >     Seems to me that long ago someone on this list
> > claimed that they
> > >     were at
> > >     the sessions for Daniel and that despite the
> > liner notes crediting
> > >     EJ on
> > >     "Flute Mellotron", the only Tron on the track
> > was the mandolin part
> > >     (listen closely from the bridge on). Anybody
> > else remember that?
> > >
> > > Bob, forgive my ignorance here but are they really
> > trying to tell us
> > > that there was no mellotron flutes on Daniel?
> > > They're having a laugh I think.
> > > Tell you what has just come to me though. Remember
> > EJ's version of
> > > Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds? Some fantastic
> > flutes and strings on
> > > this track. Dare I say that it's better than the
> > original! I see this
> > > is being included as a bonus track on the soon to
> > be released multi
> > > channel SACD of Captain Fantastic. Should be good.
> > >
> > > Andy K
> >
> >
> > Yes, they were really trying to tell us that. I know
> > it sounds
> > sacrilegious, but the credentials are impeccable.
> > Brian Kehew wrote to
> > this list back in '99 that he had a conversation
> > with Ken Scott,
> > engineer on the "Don't Shoot Me.." and he claimed
> > that he played the
> > flute part on an ARP 2500.
> >
> > I dug up the email and have attached it. I
> > remembered it because it was
> > such an earth shattering revelation. One reason I
> > had always loved the
> > song was the gorgeous flute sound. This doesn't
> > actually prove it wasn't
> > Tron - maybe he forgot. Maybe Brian made it up.
> > Maybe they were having a
> > laugh.
> >
> > I like EJ's LSD too. Great job.
> >
> > And yes, I do save all the mail from this list :-)
> >
> > Bob S.
> >
> >
>
> > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 name=Mellotronists:
> Mellotron greatest Hits.eml
> > From: MelloT@...
> > Subject: Mellotronists: Mellotron greatest Hits
> > Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 05:14:07 EST
> > To: mellotronists@...
> >
> > << "Isn't Life Strange" would be a good alternative
> > to KIWS.  Also, Don't
> >  forget about some of Elton John's stuff.  "Daniel"
> > or "Lucy in the Sky with
> >  Diamonds" are obvious choices. >>
> >
> > NIWS seems to be almost THE most noteworthy Tron
> > track; imagine the song
> > without it...
> >
> > I was recently playing the MkII with Ken Scott (who
> > recorded Bungalow Bill and
> > the Mellotron o/dubs on Flying, and more...) He
> > asked to hear the flutes, so I
> > played the solo from "Daniel" which he also
> > recorded, and he said - "that
> > wasn't Mellotron, it was ME on the ARP 2500!"
> >
> >   However, I pointed out that the mandolins in the
> > background certainly are...
> > Ken also says that there's no saxophone on
> > "Suffragette City" - it's just ARP
> > overdubs. Listen...
> >
> > Brian Kehew
> >
> >
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