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Charles wrote:

>  I'm certain there's one of you that has put the choir tapes into a
> MK2...is there a drastic tonal quality difference compared to a M400?
> Just curious....
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
Hi Charles and Everyone,

Depends largely on the circuitry.  Ken Merbler's MK-II #247
has choir  voices, going thru valve-preamps, and Hi-Z heads.
That combination yields that bright "King Crimson" sound.

And Frank Samagaio's Pindertron MK-II #134 , also has
choir voices. But the preamps within have NO equalization
at all. The Moodies' choice back then. The upper registers
are more subdued than an M400,and much less than my
MK-I #124 "Julia."

Hope this helps,Charles .   Cheers, -- Jerry Korb

In a message dated 7/27/2004 1:08:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
jkorb@... writes:

> Depends largely on the circuitry.  Ken Merbler's MK-II #247 
> has choir  voices, going thru valve-preamps, and Hi-Z heads. 
> That combination yields that bright "King Crimson" sound. 

I have male choir, female choir, boys choir and 8 choir on my MKII, #247.  
When you crank it up and play through the Wharfedales, it will make the hair 
stand up on the back of your neck.  I rarely get to do that because of where I 
live, however.  The MKII is very bright, almost painful to your ears past a 
moderate volume level.  When I play through headphones at lower volume, it sounds 
more like my M400.

> 
> And Frank Samagaio's Pindertron MK-II #134 , also has 
> choir voices. But the preamps within have NO equalization 
> at all. The Moodies' choice back then. The upper registers 
> are more subdued than an M400,and much less than my 
> MK-I #124 "Julia." 
> 
> 

Definitely a difference here.  You can hear a comparison on Ken Leonard's web 
site when we played Jerry's "Julia" MKII alongside Frank's "Pindertron" MKII. 
 Frank's MKII didn't have the painfully bright (Crimson) sound found in most 
MKIIs, but it did have a nice Moodies sound, due to the unique preamp in his 
machine.  You can hear the comparisons here, as I captured some of it on a 
minidisc player I brought along.

http://www.kleonard.com/mellotron/vt0304/pindertron3.htm

The MP3 files are about 3/4 down the page, under the heading "MP3 Audio 
Samples".

No choirs on Julia, so you can't make the comparison there, but you can hear 
some on the Pindertron.

This was all done at Jerry's "Mellotron Fantasy Camp" last March in Vermont.

Ken M.

Hi Jerry,
How do the pre-amps in the M300 differ from the other models 
soundwise? It's that long since I've heard a MkII or M400
 
Charles wrote: 
I'm certain there's one of you that has put the choir tapes 
into a MK2...is there a drastic tonal quality difference 
compared to a M400? Just curious.... 
 
 

Hi Charles and Everyone,
Depends largely on the circuitry. Ken Merbler's MK-II 
#247
has choir voices, going thru valve-preamps, and Hi-Z 
heads.
That combination yields that bright "King Crimson" 
sound.
And Frank Samagaio's Pindertron MK-II #134 , also has
choir voices. But the preamps within have NO 
equalization
at all. The Moodies' choice back then. The upper 
registers
are more subdued than an M400,and much less than my
MK-I #124 "Julia."
Hope this helps,Charles . Cheers, -- Jerry Korb

Thanks guys...I wonder if Mr.Pinder ever considered putting the 
band's voices in his trons...mass Moodies ala "Higher and Higher"



--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Korb <jkorb@i...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Charles wrote:
> 
> >  I'm certain there's one of you that has put the choir tapes into 
a
> > MK2...is there a drastic tonal quality difference compared to a 
M400?
> > Just curious....
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
-----

> >
> Hi Charles and Everyone,
> 
> Depends largely on the circuitry.  Ken Merbler's MK-II #247
> has choir  voices, going thru valve-preamps, and Hi-Z heads.
> That combination yields that bright "King Crimson" sound.
> 
> And Frank Samagaio's Pindertron MK-II #134 , also has
> choir voices. But the preamps within have NO equalization
> at all. The Moodies' choice back then. The upper registers
> are more subdued than an M400,and much less than my
> MK-I #124 "Julia."
> 
> Hope this helps,Charles .   Cheers, -- Jerry Korb

At 06:21 PM 7/28/2004, charel196 wrote:
>  Thanks guys...I wonder if Mr.Pinder ever considered putting the
>band's voices in his trons...mass Moodies ala "Higher and Higher"

Check out one of Dave Kean's videos where he's demonstrating Moraz's Mark 
V.  I could swear he *does* have the Moody's voices recorded.  I wonder if 
that tape set is available to us mere mortals?  :-)

...kl...
M400 #805 - likes his choirs mixed or male
M400 #1037 - pinchies installed soonly

** Ken Leonard - Web Table of Contents:  http://www.kleonard.com
** Get Outdoors New England:  http://www.GONewEngland.org

Yeah...Patrick had snippets of actual passages from LONG DISTANCE 
VOYAGER,etc. like the vocals from IN MY WORLD ending section.I meant 
having Ray,Justin,John,and Mike doing unison ahhhs on each key.
>  

> Check out one of Dave Kean's videos where he's demonstrating 
Moraz's Mark 
> V.  I could swear he *does* have the Moody's voices recorded.  I 
wonder if 

> that tape set is available to us mere mortals?  :-)
> 
> ...kl...
> M400 #805 - likes his choirs mixed or male
> M400 #1037 - pinchies installed soonly
> 
> ** Ken Leonard - Web Table of Contents:  http://www.kleonard.com
> ** Get Outdoors New England:  http://www.GONewEngland.org