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Let em have it Mark. The more they knock the more I will never send
anything or recommend anything of them. They just show they're low
intelligence to the "world", not even a select few.
Rich,,,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "mark kasian" <easle12@...>
To: "Colin Crawford" <g-colin.crawford@...>;
<mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] M400


> The last version of the sale plainly stated that the
> guy didn't want to pay for straightening/replacing
> those keys. Can we not abstain a bit from the cheap
> shots?? It's getting pretty tiresome.
>
> Mark
>
> --- Colin Crawford <g-colin.crawford@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > On Wednesday, February 18, 2004, at 03:50  am,
> > jonesalley wrote:
> >
> > > I think it's the same one.  Look at the smile.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Don't think it is, but it may have had its teeth
> > 'fixed' by the same
> > dentist.........
> >
> > Bad.
> >
> > C
> >
> > http://www.s-club.co.uk
> >         Sundae Club*
> >     [there ain't no party]
> >
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Well at least they didn't steal a trademark off its rightful
owners ;-)

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From: "kathnrich" <kathnrich@...>
To: "Colin Crawford" <g-colin.crawford@...>;
<mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>; "mark kasian"
<easle12@...>
Sent: 19 February 2004 17:05
Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] M400 Jerks...


>     Let em have it Mark. The more they knock the more I will
never send
> anything or recommend anything of them. They just show they're
low
> intelligence to the "world", not even a select few.
> Rich,,,
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "mark kasian" <easle12@...>
> To: "Colin Crawford" <g-colin.crawford@...>;
> <mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 10:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] M400
>
>
> > The last version of the sale plainly stated that the
> > guy didn't want to pay for straightening/replacing
> > those keys. Can we not abstain a bit from the cheap
> > shots?? It's getting pretty tiresome.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > --- Colin Crawford <g-colin.crawford@...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wednesday, February 18, 2004, at 03:50  am,
> > > jonesalley wrote:
> > >
> > > > I think it's the same one.  Look at the smile.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Don't think it is, but it may have had its teeth
> > > 'fixed' by the same
> > > dentist.........
> > >
> > > Bad.
> > >
> > > C
> > >
> > > http://www.s-club.co.uk
> > >         Sundae Club*
> > >     [there ain't no party]
> > >
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If they stole something Dave. Isn't there ways of legally getting it
back? If in fact they stole something.? I do not believe they stole
anything. I do not beleive for one minute the Kean bunch stole a thing.
Where is the litigation to stop their business.A lot of others also do not
believe this. Somebody was not fully at the wheel on the other side.
Rich,,,
----- Original Message ----- 

From: "David Davis" <feline1@...>
To: <Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] M400 Jerks...


> Well at least they didn't steal a trademark off its rightful
> owners ;-)
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "kathnrich" <kathnrich@...>
> To: "Colin Crawford" <g-colin.crawford@...>;
> <mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>; "mark kasian"
> <easle12@...>
> Sent: 19 February 2004 17:05
> Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] M400 Jerks...
>
>
> >     Let em have it Mark. The more they knock the more I will
> never send
> > anything or recommend anything of them. They just show they're
> low
> > intelligence to the "world", not even a select few.
> > Rich,,,
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "mark kasian" <easle12@...>
> > To: "Colin Crawford" <g-colin.crawford@...>;
> > <mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 10:26 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] M400
> >
> >
> > > The last version of the sale plainly stated that the
> > > guy didn't want to pay for straightening/replacing
> > > those keys. Can we not abstain a bit from the cheap
> > > shots?? It's getting pretty tiresome.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > --- Colin Crawford <g-colin.crawford@...>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Wednesday, February 18, 2004, at 03:50  am,
> > > > jonesalley wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I think it's the same one.  Look at the smile.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Don't think it is, but it may have had its teeth
> > > > 'fixed' by the same
> > > > dentist.........
> > > >
> > > > Bad.
> > > >
> > > > C
> > > >
> > > > http://www.s-club.co.uk
> > > >         Sundae Club*
> > > >     [there ain't no party]
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...who had abandoned the trademark in 1987....not to
mention the hundreds of Mellotron owners that were
stranded until Kean started it up again in 1990. And
who, in their right mind, would go to all that trouble
without owning the rights to the name? Also, Les
Bradley assisted Kean in getting that registration in
the first place. End of story.

Again, get your facts straight before you start
blowing all the hot air. 

Also, there are TONS of legal issues that Martin and
John, if they have any sense left at all, would be
wise to avoid. I've heard the taped conversations with
Les Bradley....whoa brother.


--- David Davis <feline1@...> wrote:
> Well at least they didn't steal a trademark off its
> rightful
> owners ;-)
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "kathnrich" <kathnrich@...>
> To: "Colin Crawford" <g-colin.crawford@...>;
> <mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>; "mark kasian"
> <easle12@...>
> Sent: 19 February 2004 17:05
> Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] M400 Jerks...
> 
> 
> >     Let em have it Mark. The more they knock the
> more I will
> never send
> > anything or recommend anything of them. They just
> show they're
> low
> > intelligence to the "world", not even a select
> few.
> > Rich,,,
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "mark kasian" <easle12@...>
> > To: "Colin Crawford"
> <g-colin.crawford@...>;
> > <mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 10:26 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] M400
> >
> >
> > > The last version of the sale plainly stated that
> the
> > > guy didn't want to pay for
> straightening/replacing
> > > those keys. Can we not abstain a bit from the
> cheap
> > > shots?? It's getting pretty tiresome.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > --- Colin Crawford <g-colin.crawford@...>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Wednesday, February 18, 2004, at 03:50  am,
> > > > jonesalley wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I think it's the same one.  Look at the
> smile.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Don't think it is, but it may have had its
> teeth
> > > > 'fixed' by the same
> > > > dentist.........
> > > >
> > > > Bad.
> > > >
> > > > C
> > > >
> > > > http://www.s-club.co.uk
> > > >         Sundae Club*
> > > >     [there ain't no party]
> > > >
> > > >
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asleep at the wheel indeed. For many years and still
that way. It's why the MK VI has been in production
for over 5 years..and also why the turnbuckle mold is
in Sweden....on and on it goes.


--- kathnrich <kathnrich@...> wrote:
>       If they stole something Dave. Isn't there ways
> of legally getting it
> back? If in fact they stole something.? I do not
> believe they stole
> anything. I do not beleive for one minute the Kean
> bunch stole a thing.
> Where is the litigation to stop their business.A lot
> of others also do not
> believe this. Somebody was not fully at the wheel on
> the other side.
> Rich,,,
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Davis" <feline1@...>
> To: <Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 12:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] M400 Jerks...
> 
> 
> > Well at least they didn't steal a trademark off
> its rightful
> > owners ;-)
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "kathnrich" <kathnrich@...>
> > To: "Colin Crawford"
> <g-colin.crawford@...>;
> > <mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>; "mark kasian"
> > <easle12@...>
> > Sent: 19 February 2004 17:05
> > Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] M400 Jerks...
> >
> >
> > >     Let em have it Mark. The more they knock the
> more I will
> > never send
> > > anything or recommend anything of them. They
> just show they're
> > low
> > > intelligence to the "world", not even a select
> few.
> > > Rich,,,
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "mark kasian" <easle12@...>
> > > To: "Colin Crawford"
> <g-colin.crawford@...>;
> > > <mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 10:26 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] M400
> > >
> > >
> > > > The last version of the sale plainly stated
> that the
> > > > guy didn't want to pay for
> straightening/replacing
> > > > those keys. Can we not abstain a bit from the
> cheap
> > > > shots?? It's getting pretty tiresome.
> > > >
> > > > Mark
> > > >
> > > > --- Colin Crawford
> <g-colin.crawford@...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wednesday, February 18, 2004, at 03:50 
> am,
> > > > > jonesalley wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I think it's the same one.  Look at the
> smile.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Don't think it is, but it may have had its
> teeth
> > > > > 'fixed' by the same
> > > > > dentist.........
> > > > >
> > > > > Bad.
> > > > >
> > > > > C
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.s-club.co.uk
> > > > >         Sundae Club*
> > > > >     [there ain't no party]
> > > > >
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Ewe have a great deal to learn about the sardonic humour of limey
bastards, my yankiedoodle friend,
a very great deal indeed..... :-)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "mark kasian" <easle12@...>
To: "David Davis" <feline1@...>;
<Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: 19 February 2004 18:15
Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] M400 Jerks...


> ...who had abandoned the trademark in 1987....not to
> mention the hundreds of Mellotron owners that were
> stranded until Kean started it up again in 1990. And
> who, in their right mind, would go to all that trouble
> without owning the rights to the name? Also, Les
> Bradley assisted Kean in getting that registration in
> the first place. End of story.
>
> Again, get your facts straight before you start
> blowing all the hot air.
>
> Also, there are TONS of legal issues that Martin and
> John, if they have any sense left at all, would be
> wise to avoid. I've heard the taped conversations with
> Les Bradley....whoa brother.
>
>
> --- David Davis <feline1@...> wrote:
> > Well at least they didn't steal a trademark off its
> > rightful
> > owners ;-)
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "kathnrich" <kathnrich@...>
> > To: "Colin Crawford" <g-colin.crawford@...>;
> > <mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>; "mark kasian"
> > <easle12@...>
> > Sent: 19 February 2004 17:05
> > Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] M400 Jerks...
> >
> >
> > >     Let em have it Mark. The more they knock the
> > more I will
> > never send
> > > anything or recommend anything of them. They just
> > show they're
> > low
> > > intelligence to the "world", not even a select
> > few.
> > > Rich,,,
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "mark kasian" <easle12@...>
> > > To: "Colin Crawford"
> > <g-colin.crawford@...>;
> > > <mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 10:26 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] M400
> > >
> > >
> > > > The last version of the sale plainly stated that
> > the
> > > > guy didn't want to pay for
> > straightening/replacing
> > > > those keys. Can we not abstain a bit from the
> > cheap
> > > > shots?? It's getting pretty tiresome.
> > > >
> > > > Mark
> > > >
> > > > --- Colin Crawford <g-colin.crawford@...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wednesday, February 18, 2004, at 03:50  am,
> > > > > jonesalley wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I think it's the same one.  Look at the
> > smile.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Don't think it is, but it may have had its
> > teeth
> > > > > 'fixed' by the same
> > > > > dentist.........
> > > > >
> > > > > Bad.
> > > > >
> > > > > C
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.s-club.co.uk
> > > > >         Sundae Club*
> > > > >     [there ain't no party]
> > > > >
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On Thursday, February 19, 2004, at 06:17  pm, mark kasian wrote:

> asleep at the wheel indeed. For many years and still
> that way. It's why the MK VI has been in production
> for over 5 years..and also why the turnbuckle mold is
> in Sweden....on and on it goes.
>

FYI I have no problem with the Swedish-built 600, indeed there was a 
superb review in "Sound on Sound" of just such a machine by a very 
respected British reviewer who himself owns a Streetly rebuilt 400. He 
provided a wonderfully disinterested critique of the instrument, and 
found the build quality to be excellent. I don't think the reputation 
of the current fare from Mellotron Archives is the issue here.

I DO however have a problem with sub-standard workmanship even when it 
is 'down to a price'. If my own Streetly tron had been supplied needing 
a tooth-brace and a good dental plan then I would not have tolerated 
it, not from John and Martin, nor from anyone else supplying a new or 
reconditioned Mellotron.

I work with acoustic pianos. If a client asks me to skip an essential 
part of a restoration, then I either refuse to do any work at all to 
that piano, or convince them that the restoration is incomplete without 
that work. I'd rather lose the client than have my reputation tarnished 
by a poor instrument with a repair attributed to me. The keys on that 
ebay Mellotron were not of the standard anyone should tolerate from a 
supposedly rebuilt instrument.

As for trademark use, then my earlier diatribe was not meant to be 
anything other than a statement of fact. The Mellotron branded T-shirts 
etc highlighted in these pages may well indeed be earning Mellotron 
Archives money in royalties. Fair play. - But if they aren't, then I'm 
afraid there is little that they can do about it provided that the 
shirt manufacturers have registered that trademark themselves as a 
brand of apparel.

Finally, good luck in your quest for a real live Mellotron, Mr. 
Hofmeyer. I can't help thinking that eBay is Not The Way though!!

Best

C

--- Colin Crawford <g-colin.crawford@...>
wrote:
> I can't help thinking that eBay is Not The Way
though!!

I'm becoming more disenchanted with my Ebay hunt for a
'tron.  I don't mind seeking other paths for this
elusive gem, though I fear that they've all been tread
by enthusiasts as yourselves.

Ideally, I'd come across one in a garage sale here in
San Francisco- sold by an aging musician who realizes
what he has but wants to unload it quickly 
[read: I don't want to take advantage of someone's
ignorance, nor do I want to pay a boatload of money!]

I have been searching Craigslist and have, very
recently, made a little script that will go to every
metropolitan area that the site serves and search for
the Mellotron.  When it finds a match, I receive an
email.  I finished the script last night and it works
pretty well (...though it needs a little massaging -
since it currently sends duplicates of some
listings..)

Realistically, I should just hunker down and save over
the next couple months.  With the people on this list
sellling refurbished and new mellotrons, it would save
me a lot of headache in the name of minor fiscal
benefit.

That MTron software is starting to look appealing...

-jh

On Thu, 19 Feb 2004, John Hofmeyer wrote:

> --- Colin Crawford <g-colin.crawford@...>
> wrote:
> > I can't help thinking that eBay is Not The Way
> though!!
> 
> I'm becoming more disenchanted with my Ebay hunt for a
> 'tron.  I don't mind seeking other paths for this
> elusive gem, though I fear that they've all been tread
> by enthusiasts as yourselves.
> 
> Ideally, I'd come across one in a garage sale here in
> San Francisco- sold by an aging musician who realizes
> what he has but wants to unload it quickly 
> [read: I don't want to take advantage of someone's
> ignorance, nor do I want to pay a boatload of money!]


i found mine in a "tradin' times" - one of those free local
papers you get in convenience stores... i think most towns
have an equivilent publication - they sell everything from
cars to... junk
the tron in our studio was a gift from an olde time philly
musician [it required some work, but the price was right!]

patience is the key.
maybe even forgetting about your search for a while then
it will come to you... don't gget too carried away or you
may get stuck with a dog or pay too much...
[not a comment on any current goings on - no flames please]

...jeff


> I have been searching Craigslist and have, very
> recently, made a little script that will go to every
> metropolitan area that the site serves and search for
> the Mellotron.  When it finds a match, I receive an
> email.  I finished the script last night and it works
> pretty well (...though it needs a little massaging -
> since it currently sends duplicates of some
> listings..)


VERY clever and resourceful of you!!


> Realistically, I should just hunker down and save over
> the next couple months.  With the people on this list
> sellling refurbished and new mellotrons, it would save
> me a lot of headache in the name of minor fiscal
> benefit.
> 
> That MTron software is starting to look appealing...
> 
> -jh


and samples might get you by in the meantime...

peace.
jeff