Mellotronists

Does anyone know which CD-ROM of Mellotron samples is the best? I 
have been told that the Propeller Island 'Legendary Mellotron' is the 
best, and way better than the Michael Pinder one on the Mellotron web 
site. Is this correct? Is there a better ne? Any help is appreciated.

Mike

I gave away my copy of the Propeller Island disk to another list member.  Overall, I didn't like it that much.  Some of the sounds were recorded in octaves, or just poorly recorded.  Also, it was an audio-only CD, which makes it harder to use if you have a sampler that can load Akai banks.  

I don't own but have used the Pinder CD-ROM and I recommend it.  I believe the Pinder disk has way more sounds on it.  However, I have heard that the samples on the Pinder CD were recorded at 22kHz, and you may want to consider whether you like the sound of your sampler's filters at 11kHz.  I definitely hear some not-good artifacts on my S-2800, but they're not enough to deter me.  What I hear, btw, is a strong resonant peak up around the filter cutoff frequency.  The nice thing about 22kHz samples is being able to load an entire bank in a measly 16 megs of memory, which is all I have.  

Stan 
M400/174  

-----Original Message-----
From: luvmyguitar [mailto:mike.puccio@cox.net]
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Subject: [Mellotronists] Mellotron CD-ROM's


 Does anyone know which CD-ROM of Mellotron samples is the best? I 
have been told that the Propeller Island 'Legendary Mellotron' is the 
best, and way better than the Michael Pinder one on the Mellotron web 
site. Is this correct? Is there a better ne? Any help is appreciated.

Mike



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luvmyguitar wrote:

>  Does anyone know which CD-ROM of Mellotron samples is the best? I 
> have been told that the Propeller Island 'Legendary Mellotron' is the 
> best, and way better than the Michael Pinder one on the Mellotron web 
> site. Is this correct? Is there a better ne? Any help is appreciated.
> 
> Mike

The Propeller Island disc is a waste of money.  There's absolutely no 
comparison between it and the Pinder rom IMO.  That disc (Akai format) is 
about as good as it gets short of having access to a real tron.  In the 
mix it will fool most of the punters most of the time, and even the 
ocassional list-member.  I bought my copy used for $150 and thought it was 
money well spent.  You might also try the M-tron VST plugin, while you're 
investigating.
-- 
Cheers,
SDM -- a 21st century schizoid man
http://systemstheory.net	internet music project
http://thecleanersystem.com	software for dry cleaners
NP: nothing

Hi Mike,

If you just want the basic sounds, 3 violins, brass, 8 voice choir, 
flute and a few others, primesounds.com has 44100 x 16 full length 
multisamples in a few formats that you can download for about $9 a 
bank. You can play the full banks on their website, but they are 
in some odd format that doesn't sound as good as the downloaded 
samples. You can even buy just one note(?!).

The M-Tron VST plugin is also very good, as has been pointed out, if 
you have VST compatible software.

Bernie

--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, "luvmyguitar" 
<mike.puccio@c...> wrote:
>  Does anyone know which CD-ROM of Mellotron samples is the best? I 
> have been told that the Propeller Island 'Legendary Mellotron' is 
the 
> best, and way better than the Michael Pinder one on the Mellotron 
web 
> site. Is this correct? Is there a better ne? Any help is 
appreciated.
> 
> Mike

> Does anyone know which CD-ROM of Mellotron samples is the best?

don't know about the best, but I'm absolutely happy with the M-Tron VST
plugin ... I've bought all their CDs and can now play about a 100 different
Tron/Chamberlin sounds ... awesome

www.michaelpeters.de

Yeah I like that one too although I've never heard the others. It's 
good not to have to buy a proper sampler. I particularly like the 
Chamberlin solo female voice. Use that as the lead on "entangled" 
with real 8 voice tron backing - awesome!
Shame they didn't label the sounds more accurately.
John
3/005

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Date sent:      	Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:46:16 +0100

Subject:        	[Mellotronists] RE: Mellotron CD-ROM's

> > Does anyone know which CD-ROM of Mellotron samples is the best?
> 
> don't know about the best, but I'm absolutely happy with the M-Tron VST
> plugin ... I've bought all their CDs and can now play about a 100 different
> Tron/Chamberlin sounds ... awesome
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Sad to report the sudden overnight passing of the excellent BJH drummer. 
No details are yet available, but it's official from several sources 
including the BJH mailing list and the BJH web-site.

May I suggest digging up your personal favourite BJH album and playing it 
in his honour?  I have to go catch a plane shortly, and I think "Everyone 
Is Everybody Else" will be my in-car listening material.

-- 
Cheers,
SDM -- a 21st century schizoid man
http://systemstheory.net	internet music project
http://thecleanersystem.com	software for dry cleaners
NP: nothing

Some of you know that the Official Streetly Cynic Mike Dickson and
I are involved in an internet music project called Systems Theory.
After numerous false starts and almost a year since we thought we
were going to release this album, it's finally a reality. So we will
beat Kate Bush and Peter Gabriel to the punch...LOL! As of Friday,
Dec 17th it's an official CD. woooh hoooh! I'm dropping this post in
here so those of you that are interested can start thinking about
acquiring a copy. Feel free to pick this message up and pass it along
to friends if you like. We've posted it to email lists and ngs that
have *some* musical relationship to the tone of the album -- progrock,
spacerock, psychedelic, ambient, newage, experimental, world. There's
bits of all of those things in our sound.

Paul Whitehead did our graphics, and the image "Mobius Oscillator"
is the December picture for his 2005 calendar. At least I think
it's the December image. I saw it briefly at the recent Whittier
TMB show. Looks pretty damn fab to me! Paul's work was perfect
for us, though not what one might be expecting if you only associate
Whitehead with his three album covers for Genesis. I'm going to put
small size, but still reasonable to look at, jpegs of the artwork
up on the Systems Theory website later this week for interested
folks to see.

Some of you have heard "demo mixes" of the album, starting with
the copies I handed out at Baja Prog last March. We think the final
version smokes all of these (it had better, eh?!?). The final
track-list is a bit different than what was on these "demo mixes",
and different than what was discussed as recently as two weeks ago
on the Progressive Ears web-forum http://www.progressiveears.com/

So what made it to the album? We laid the CD out like it was an old
fashioned vinyl project. A three sided album, where the tracks either
flow into each other, where one ends the next begins, or have
intentional cross-fades. There's a 12 second "count-down" in front of
sides two and three. Alternate and/or early demo versions of some of
these tunes can be found on our soundclick page.

If you want a really good idea of what "Soundtracks For Imaginary
Movies" sounds like, listen to "Concentrate #1" on our soundclick
page. It's a 12 minute crossfaded distillation of the album put
together by Mike Dickson, with a couple of broad hints of what's to
come on the 2nd Systems Theory album. (See my sig for the link to
our soundclick page where it can be streamed in lo-fi mono or hi-fi
stereo, or the mp3 can be downloaded).

side one
1) Green Miata Baja Bound [6:39]
2) The Cool Vibe Of Asia C [5:50]
3) Four Piece Suit [13:20]
(a) A Wolf In Sheep's Breeks
(b) Larks Loons In Linen
(c) Technopants
(d) Solar Flared Trousers

side two
4) Silent Service [11:26]
5) A Lifeboat, Tallulah And Me [4:48]
6) Water Through Fingers [7:21]

side three
7) Zero Sum Equation [7:09]
8) One Step To Freefall [7:02]
9) Last Letters From Stalingrad [9:46]

Personnel:
Greg Amov, Steven Davies-Morris and Mike Dickson (instruments and
programming) [Mike's mellotron is all real, on every track, no
'tron samples or emulations used]

For the Mellotron geeks amongst us [and we know who we are :-)]
here's the short-list of the voices Mike used on tunes that made
it onto "Soundtracks For Imaginary Movies". Some of them are
glaringly obvious, as in "it's mellotron oooh oooh oooh", and
some are not so obvious. Afficionados can play spot the 'tron
frame looking for:

Three Violins
String Section
Cello
Mixed Brass
Eight Voice Choir
Russian Choir
Church Organ
Solo Flute
Ian McDonald Flute
Bass Clarinet
Cor Anglais

Other 'tron frames, like Strangled Cat, will appear on our next album,
Codetalkers sometime in 2005.

Guests musicians:
Diane Amov (flute), Brian Daly & Dun Strummin (guitar), Michael
Futreal (dulcimer), Cyndee Lee Rule (violin)

The album is released under our arrangement with Independent Records,
USA. It's catalog number is IR24612. It's barcode number is
43157 24612.

We'll be shipping promo copies to magazines, prog radio, online review
sites and distributors interested in carrying the CD starting this
week, with most of those going to folks we know between now and the
end of the year. We won't be shipping any "retail" sales until the 2nd
half of January (assuming we get some... ). So if you are a legit
reviewer, radio person or distributor, please request a copy of
"Soundtracks For Imaginary Movies" in this thread or email
systemstheoryATyahooDOTcommiepinkorats with all of your
particulars. We've earmarked 300 copies for promo giveaways so if
you'll review it, showcase it, or might stock it...step right up!
We'll also be providing extras to radio stations that want to run some
sort of promotional giveaway in conjunction with an album showcase.
We will be offering volume discount pricing for distributors.

The retail price including shipping will be $12 domestic (USA), $15
outside the US. However, if you are an "end-user" listener as opposed
to someone "in the biz", and want to order a copy between now and the
end of the year, by which point we'll have the PayPal thing working
from our web-site, you can take $2 off ($10 domestic US, $13
overseas). If you want to buy 2 or more copies, take another $1 off
from there per disc ($9 domestic US, $12 overseas). Send a check or
money order (no cash, please) or an international money order if
ordering from outside the US. Make all checks payable to SANDY GILL
since the account we're using for Systems Theory is in my wife's name.
You might want to note on the check/MO that it is for SYSTEMS THEORY
SFIM CD otherwise it might wind up in the "new double glazed windows
for the house" fund. :-)

Send payment out as follows:
Systems Theory c/o Sandy Gill
1574 Andrea Circle
Simi Valley
California
93065
USA

Make sure that you include an email addy so I can confirm arrival of
your payment and your ship-to address.

The Systems Theory mailing list server is now active. For subscription
requests, send a message to:

stsubATblackcatDOTdemonDOTcoDOTuk

with the words

subscribe <e-mail_address>

in the body of the message. The 'welcome' message is *extremely*
primitive at the moment (ie, 'hello...here is how you unsubscribe'),
but it will be friendlier in the future...sometime in January...once
Mike recovers from all the Cava he drank at Christmas and is planning
on drinking over the New Year.

And now we're done with the mellotron-heavy "Soundtracks For Imaginary
Movies" we'll turn our attention to the next album, to be called
"Codetalkers". Also pretty heavy on the 'tron (obvious 'tron voices
and a lot of not so obvious ones). The album is all but done (pending
a few overdubs, final mixes and artwork). I promise the second album
won't take anywhere near as long to deliver as the first!
-- 
Cheers,
SDM -- a 21st century schizoid man
Systems Theory internet music project links:
soundclick <www.soundclick.com/systemstheory>
garageband <http://www.garageband.com/artist/systemstheory>
NP: candidates for our next album, "Codetalkers"

<http://mysterycircuits.com/melloman/melloman.html>

I must admit the idea of using continuous loop walkman players puts
me in mind of the Birotron...disaster. Having said that, I'm very
impressed with the ingenuity of the design, and the work that went
into it to see it through.
-- 
Cheers,
SDM -- a 21st century schizoid man
Systems Theory internet music project links:
soundclick <www.soundclick.com/systemstheory>
garageband <http://www.garageband.com/artist/systemstheory>
"Soundtracks For Imaginary Movies" CD released Dec 2004
"Codetalkers" CD coming end of 2005
NP: Klaatu "Hope"


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So, it's tape samples of real sounds played on a Mellotron, sampled 
digitally, and then recorded back on tape.  Wow.  Mind blowing.  It's like 
one of those infinity mirror illusions...




> <http://mysterycircuits.com/melloman/melloman.html>

jonesalley wrote:
> So, it's tape samples of real sounds played on a Mellotron, sampled
> digitally, and then recorded back on tape.  Wow.  Mind blowing.
> It's like one of those infinity mirror illusions...

Not saying that it's any good, but it does seem quite a clever design,
and by virtue of it being tape replay it's probably a lot more organic
and gritty than {insert sampler of your choice}.

<http://mysterycircuits.com/melloman/melloman.html>
-- 
Cheers,
SDM -- a 21st century schizoid man
Systems Theory internet music project links:
soundclick <www.soundclick.com/systemstheory>
garageband <http://www.garageband.com/artist/systemstheory>
"Soundtracks For Imaginary Movies" CD released Dec 2004
"Codetalkers" CD coming end of 2005
NP: nothing


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And, if that all wasn't enough, this fellow has the most beautiful PolyMoog 
I've seen in decades. Check the photos on this page:



http://mysterycircuits.com/projects.html

On Mon, 17 Oct 2005, jonesalley wrote:

> And, if that all wasn't enough, this fellow has the most beautiful PolyMoog
> I've seen in decades. Check the photos on this page:
>
> http://mysterycircuits.com/projects.html



ah... these words make me all warm and fuzzy:

The inside of the case still smells like an old man.


[i think i smell a new .signature file there...]

please note: i have never been near the place. really.

...jeff

I'm really enjoying this blistering slab of heavy-duty space-rock.
It's loaded with analog keys and 'tron. Well done Andy & company.
-- 
Cheers,
SDM -- a 21st century schizoid man
Systems Theory internet music project links:
soundclick <www.soundclick.com/systemstheory>
garageband <http://www.garageband.com/artist/systemstheory>
"Soundtracks For Imaginary Movies" CD released Dec 2004
"Codetalkers" CD coming end of 2005
NP: nothing


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----- Original Message ----- 

From: "sdavmor" <sdavmor@...>
To: <Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 3:23 PM
Subject: [Mellotronists] Andy Thompson's Litmus "You Are Here"


> I'm really enjoying this blistering slab of heavy-duty space-rock.
> It's loaded with analog keys and 'tron. Well done Andy & company.
> -- 
> Cheers,
> SDM -- a 21st century schizoid man

Thanks for the free ad, Steve!  :-)   Recording album no.2 this winter. And
I'm sure you all know about the excellent Systems Theory album by now.  :-)

Andy T.

In a message dated 10/18/2005 5:10:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
tron@... writes:

You'd be  much less impressed if you ever got to play a Birotron. The
keys are on  springs with about 50lb upward pressure and the sounds are
supremely flat  and characterless, all of them missing any  attack
characteristic.



This sounds perfect for me. Who makes it and where can I get one?
 
Frank

In the recent message <4353FEC1.4080906@...>
you wrote...

> I must admit the idea of using continuous loop walkman players puts
> me in mind of the Birotron...disaster. Having said that, I'm very
> impressed with the ingenuity of the design, and the work that went
> into it to see it through.

You'd be much less impressed if you ever got to play a Birotron. The
keys are on springs with about 50lb upward pressure and the sounds are
supremely flat and characterless, all of them missing any attack
characteristic.

Mike Dickson (tron@...) M400 #996
The Official Cynic of Streetly Electronics
Streetly Sample Library http://www.blackcat.demon.co.uk/tron/

Being poor, Irish and with ginger hair,
all we could afford for the moment is the Pindertron CD -

it's certainly not bad -
it's plastered all over our track "My Valerian" -
(http://members.lycos.co.uk/felinedream/music/valerian.htm for
an MP3) ...
this gives you a fair idea of how an MP3 of a bunch
of samples of a Pindertron sounds.....

DAVID

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "sdavmor" <sdavmor@...>
To: <Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 16 December 2003 02:13
Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Mellotron CD-ROM's


> luvmyguitar wrote:
>
> >  Does anyone know which CD-ROM of Mellotron samples is the
best? I
> > have been told that the Propeller Island 'Legendary
Mellotron' is the
> > best, and way better than the Michael Pinder one on the
Mellotron web
> > site. Is this correct? Is there a better ne? Any help is
appreciated.
> >
> > Mike
>
> The Propeller Island disc is a waste of money.  There's
absolutely no
> comparison between it and the Pinder rom IMO.  That disc (Akai
format) is
> about as good as it gets short of having access to a real tron.
In the
> mix it will fool most of the punters most of the time, and even
the
> ocassional list-member.  I bought my copy used for $150 and
thought it was
> money well spent.  You might also try the M-tron VST plugin,
while you're
> investigating.
> -- 
> Cheers,
> SDM -- a 21st century schizoid man
> http://systemstheory.net internet music project
> http://thecleanersystem.com software for dry cleaners
> NP: nothing
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