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Gents (and Mellotrongirl),

Here's something I just ran across thought you might be interested:


http://www.scatteredpages.com/americantmp3/negative.mp3

also:

http://users2.ev1.net/~bigrynz/london.mp3


Something to listen to while you head back for another slice of
pumpkin pie.

FS. Weller
(".....all I want for Christmas is # 574.....")

Thanks for the links Frank.

First one, interesting. Somewhat different, but enjoyable.

Second one, of course this is Justin Hayward. I had heard of "London is 
Behind Me" but I had never heard it. What's even more interesting is 
that the original was recorded before he joined the Moodies. So they 
must have re-recorded after he joined the band.

Does anyone know the whole story?

Bob S.


dandc74 wrote:

>Gents (and Mellotrongirl),
>
>Here's something I just ran across thought you might be interested:
>
>
>http://www.scatteredpages.com/americantmp3/negative.mp3
>
>also:
>
>http://users2.ev1.net/~bigrynz/london.mp3
>
>
>Something to listen to while you head back for another slice of
>pumpkin pie.
>
>FS. Weller
>(".....all I want for Christmas is # 574.....")
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In a message dated 11/24/03 7:28:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
capt_carbonarc@... writes:


> Gents (and Mellotrongirl), Here's something I just ran across thought you 
> might be interested: http://www.scatteredpages.com/americantmp3/negative.mp3
> also: http://users2.ev1.net/~bigrynz/london.mp3

Both are very interesting.  I wonder of the overdriven tron on the first 
track was intentional.  The second track sounds like a poor man's Moody Blues (now 
there's a nice song title!), sounding like Moodies circa "Prelude" 
(post-Denny Laine, pre-"Days").  I suppose someone is going to say that it IS a Moodies 
long-lost track!  If not, who is it?

Frank Samagaio
MkII #134 / M400 #908

Frank:
This is definitely a Moddy Blues recording.  Hayward recorded it 
originally in 1965, after he left The Wilde Three (This Hayward 
recording really SUCKS)

See www.justinhayward-thismorning.com/rarities/music.html

The Moodies version of it is quite nice....  Recorded in 1967 ?
Never released ?
http://users2.ev1.net/~bigrynz/london.mp3

Clay


> 
> Both are very interesting.  I wonder of the overdriven tron on the 
first 
> track was intentional.  The second track sounds like a poor man's 
Moody Blues (now 
> there's a nice song title!), sounding like Moodies circa "Prelude" 
> (post-Denny Laine, pre-"Days").  I suppose someone is going to say 
that it IS a Moodies 

> long-lost track!  If not, who is it?
> 
> Frank Samagaio
> MkII #134 / M400 #908

I agree with Jon.  This is a significant recording.
Where the hell did it come from?
http://users2.ev1.net/~bigrynz/london.mp3
LONDON IS BEHIND ME
Released Dec 31, 1965 (not this version!)
Justin Hayward

London is behind me and I'm stuck out on the motor way 
Two lifts this morning they were both going my way 
I don't care if the sun never shines 
I've got love and where she is you will find me 

I'm on my way to see her after two weeks in the city 
I rung her up this morning I said expect me when you see me 
I don't care if the sun never shines 
I've got love and where she is you will find me 

I know by twelve o'clock I'll be there 
I know she's waiting for me there 
Come what may 
Hey hey 

My car's all laid up and I can't afford the train fare 
All I've got's a quid so I'll save it till I get there 
I don't care if the sun never shines 
I've got love and where she is you will find me 

I'll be there soon, so rain for all I care 
I'll be there soon, if I have to walk there 
All the way 
Hey hey 

London is behind me and I'm stuck out on the motor way 
Two lifts this morning they were both going my way 
I don't care if the sun never shines 
I've got love and where she is you will find me 
I've got love and where she is you will find me

Gents (and Mellotrongirl),

Now that the great turkey cooking and eating and leftovering has
taken place, I am back in the office and it's time to reveal the
facts about those recordings.  They were both recorded by the same
fellow, a 25-year-old kid who has lived his whole life in Texas! 
Yes, it's truly amazing how well he was able to imitate the early '68
sound of the Moody Blues.  He performed all the parts himself on 
the "London Is Behind Me" track including the John Lodge falsetto and
the Justin Hayward double-tracked vocals.  Though he owns an 
M400 and plays it in his 'regular' band (thats the other link), he
used an Akai Z4 sampler and Roland midi controller keyboard with 
samples from the Mike Pinder Mellotron CD-Rom.  He even sampled the
drum intro to Departure (from This Is The Moody Blues) to 
create a rhythm track that sounds correct for the era.  The end
result was very convincing...and very enjoyable.

Hope everyone had a good weekend...

FS. Weller

> Here's something I just ran across thought you might be interested:
> 
> 
> http://www.scatteredpages.com/americantmp3/negative.mp3
> 
> also:
> 
> http://users2.ev1.net/~bigrynz/london.mp3
> 
> 
> Something to listen to while you head back for another slice of
> pumpkin pie.
> 
> FS. Weller
> (".....all I want for Christmas is # 574.....")

>Now that the great turkey cooking and eating and leftovering has
>taken place, I am back in the office and it's time to reveal the
>facts about those recordings.  They were both recorded by the same
>fellow, a 25-year-old kid who has lived his whole life in Texas!

On an 8-track, right?

No, not a reel-to-reel, an 8-track.

...kl...
M400 #805 - wanna pull my other feetsie now?
M400 #1037 - [no guts, no glory]
EMI E4 #103S - /wobble - pitch drop - wobble wobble/

In a message dated 12/1/03 4:29:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
capt_carbonarc@... writes:


> Now that the great turkey cooking and eating and leftovering has taken 
> place, I am back in the office and it's time to reveal the facts about those 
> recordings.  They were both recorded by the same fellow, a 25-year-old kid who 
> has lived his whole life in Texas! Yes, it's truly amazing how well he was able 
> to imitate the early '68
> sound of the Moody Blues.  He performed all the parts himself on the "London 
> Is Behind Me" track including the John Lodge falsetto and the Justin Hayward 
> double-tracked vocals.  Though he owns an M400 and plays it in his 'regular' 
> band (thats the other link), he used an Akai Z4 sampler and Roland midi 
> controller keyboard with samples from the Mike Pinder Mellotron CD-Rom.  He even 
> sampled the
> drum intro to Departure (from This Is The Moody Blues) to create a rhythm 
> track that sounds correct for the era.  The end result was very 
> convincing...and very enjoyable.

So it appears I was correct in referring to the track as sounding like a poor 
man's Moody Blues??  It sounded like JH at times but then it didn't at 
others.  The "Lodge" high harmonies threw me for a loop.  But what really led me to 
believe that it was phony was the tron itself.  The quality of the recording 
and the song itself really dates it to the pre-"Days" era (a la tracks on the 
"Prelude" CD).  A close listen to that CD reveals that Mike Pinder only played 
single or double note lines, no full chords, most likely due to the fact that 
his MkII (maybe #134?) had not yet been upgraded and still affected by voltage 
overload (note sagging) when playing a fistful of notes.  "London" has nice 
full chords in it, but also not quite really played in Pinder's legato style.  
The tonality of the tron is also a bit off from the Moodies' sound that we all 
know and love.

Still, a very nice job...

Frank Samagaio
MkII #134 / M400 #908 / Pinder CD-ROM

--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, MAinPsych@a... wrote:
 
> Still, a very nice job...

Frank,

Nice enough that I think it fooled Clay.  I hope he is still speaking
to me.......  

Clay?  Hello?  (uh-oh, have I created an international incident?)

FS. Weller
M400 #574......still in that purple road case and not in my
possession (yet!).

Frank, Mellotrongirl,

You really need to go back and listen to those two tracks again. (The
same guy?) Then go listen to Departure :-) Then check the track listing
for "This is the Moody Blues".

Bob S.

>
> *
> So it appears I was correct in referring to the track as sounding like 
> a poor man's Moody Blues??  It sounded like JH at times but then it 
> didn't at others.  The "Lodge" high harmonies threw me for a loop.  
> But what really led me to believe that it was phony was the tron 
> itself.  The quality of the recording and the song itself really dates 
> it to the pre-"Days" era (a la tracks on the "Prelude" CD).  A close 
> listen to that CD reveals that Mike Pinder only played single or 
> double note lines, no full chords, most likely due to the fact that 
> his MkII (maybe #134?) had not yet been upgraded and still affected by 
> voltage overload (note sagging) when playing a fistful of notes.  
> "London" has nice full chords in it, but also not quite really played 
> in Pinder's legato style.  The tonality of the tron is also a bit off 
> from the Moodies' sound that we all know and love.
>
> Still, a very nice job...
>
> Frank Samagaio
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In a message dated 12/1/2003 7:30:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
capt_carbonarc@... writes:

> Now that the great turkey cooking and eating and leftovering has
> taken place, I am back in the office and it's time to reveal the
> facts about those recordings.  They were both recorded by the same
> fellow, a 25-year-old kid who has lived his whole life in Texas! 
> Yes, it's truly amazing how well he was able to imitate the early '68
> sound of the Moody Blues.  He performed all the parts himself on 
> the "London Is Behind Me" track including the John Lodge falsetto and
> the Justin Hayward double-tracked vocals.  Though he owns an 
> M400 and plays it in his 'regular' band (thats the other link), he
> used an Akai Z4 sampler and Roland midi controller keyboard with 
> samples from the Mike Pinder Mellotron CD-Rom.  He even sampled the
> drum intro to Departure (from This Is The Moody Blues) to 
> create a rhythm track that sounds correct for the era.  The end
> result was very convincing...and very enjoyable.
> 
> Hope everyone had a good weekend...
> 
> 

Wow!  I've been out of town with a slow dial up connection and have just 
downloaded and listened to "London Is Behind Me".  If this is true, it's amazing.  
It's one thing to get the instruments right, but he also nailed Justin 
Hayward's voice and John Lodge's falsetto.  I wonder what else he can do.  Is this 
his song also, or is it an old Moodies track?  Not a complicated song, but very 
well done, true to the original style. I'm still not believing this.  I 
wonder if he can do Ray Thomas and Mike Pinder too ;-).

Ken M.

Dr. Merbler,

Justin Hayward recorded "London Is Behind Me" 
after he parted ways with Marty Wilde but before 
he auditioned for the Moody Blues.  I believe it 
was recorded in 1965.  Here is a link to a clip of 
the original recording:  

http://users2.ev1.net/~bigrynz/londonoriginal.mp3  

If our 25-year-old friend does cover "Day Must Come", 
"I'll Be Here Tomorrow" and especially "I Can't Face 
The World Without You" (the three other songs Justin 
Hayward recorded before he joined the Moodies) in that 
Moody-esque 1968 sound, I'd like to hear those, too.  
We can only hope he will.

FS. Weller
M400 #574......I'm dreaming of a White Chirstmas


> 
> Wow!  I've been out of town with a slow dial up connection and have
just 
> downloaded and listened to "London Is Behind Me".  If this is true,
it's amazing.  
> It's one thing to get the instruments right, but he also nailed
Justin 
> Hayward's voice and John Lodge's falsetto.  I wonder what else he
can do.  Is this 
> his song also, or is it an old Moodies track?  Not a complicated
song, but very 
> well done, true to the original style. I'm still not believing
this.  I 

> wonder if he can do Ray Thomas and Mike Pinder too ;-).
> 
> Ken M.

I hope he is still speaking
> to me.......  Clay?  Hello?  (uh-oh, have I created an 
international incident?)

Well.... The funny thing is...  I now have a large number of people 
on several MB fan lists scratching their heads over this.  I can 
understand how the music could be doctored up.... but the voice?
I'm still not convinced.  The best kind of "turkey" is one that will 
not admit he's been fooled.

Clay

The HOAXMAN's name is Ryan....  He posted a message on November 21st, 
on the Higher and Higher message board.  It sounds like he created it 
in one night.  (Nov 20th? ... See below)

Clay

OK, it isn't really the Moody Blues -- it is performed by me.

The track is London Is Behind Me, which some of you might know as the 
Justin Hayward single that came out before he joined the Moody Blues. 
I have always liked the melody of this song and last night I was 
thinking: what if the Moody Blues had re-recorded this song, say in 
early 1968? So I did my best impression of the 68-era Moody Blues 
that I could and this is the result. It comes complete with 
Mellotron, trademark harmonies, 12-string acoustic, double tracked 
lead vocals, and even samples of Graeme Edge's drums!

To download the track, go here:

users2.ev1.net/~bigrynz/london.html

then right click the link and choose Save Target As.

Let me know what you think.

Thanks,
Ryan