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Fw: Birotrons

2002-02-14 by Chris Dale

 
 
In May 1990 I was initially offered the Wakeman Double Mellotron/Birotron as a package deal. I turned it down because of how dire the conditions were of both instruments.
 
The Birotron *bits* went to Dave Kean in late 1990. He must have re-assembled it.
 
 
Nevertheless:
 
Here is a list of info I have on Birotrons which I amassed during research/restoration of the Wakeman/Yes Double Tron:
 
Some of it is from the horses mouth (or horses ass depending on your opinion)
 
 
-Birotron: 37 note keyboard based on 8 track tape cartridges
 
-manufactured/betatested by Birotronics from 1975-78
 
-total number made according to adamant Wakeman is 35 (not 13)
 
-roughly same dimensions/weight as Chamberlin M1 (about 80 - 90 lbs)
 
-tabletop design similar to Chamberlin M1 (looks like they may have used Chamberlin M1 as a reference point for size)
 
-meant to replace Double Tron for Wakeman after the close of "Going For The One" tour
 
- originally built by Dave Biro /design further modified and funded by Rick Wakeman
 
-four sounds on each tape
 
-simulated attack and decay via 2 knobs on control panel
 
-pitch control
 
-blank spaces to write down sounds on control panel (similar to double mellotron)
 
-mechanically noisy due to constant tape movement even when not being played
 
-spare tapes were to be sold in musical instrument stores
 
-no motor torque problems compared to mellotron
 
-fast key playing similar to Chamberlin M1
 
-set 1 sounds were pipe organ,flute,cello,violins
 
-set 2 sounds were mixed woodwind, mixed brass, mixed choir, mixed strings
 
-sounds were mellotron sounds but looped for Birotron use
 
-extensive severe betatests for durabililty with most machines failing test (dropping from high places, leaving instrument in humid environments etc.)
 
-Wakeman is rumoured to have destroyed one by throwing it off stage in frustration.
 
-Wakeman had 4 machines - two went missing, two were damaged beyond repair while touring
 
-Besides Wakeman, T Dream and Earthstar are only original users of the machine
 
-Original sale price was to be around L1000 ($2000 U.S.)
 
-During Birotron funding crisis Streetly Electronics examined machine for possibility of manufacturing it themselves.
 
-In early 90's Les Bradley/Dave Kean sent a deconstructed Birotron back to Dave Biro as a souvenir
 
-Only known classic era recordings to feature Birotron are:
 
 Earthstar - Human's Only (+ another I can't recall the name of)
 Yes - Tormato/Yesshows
 Wakeman - Criminal Record
 
mid 1990's commercial recordings (Dave Kean's Birotron)
 - Eleni Mandell (self titled?)
 - Dave Kean's track "Lift" from Rime of the Ancient Sampler
 
Sidenote: Spoke to Alan White and Chris Squire about mellotrons/Birotrons during Yes Magnification tour and they remember the instruments but not too fondly.
 
 
 
Hope this helps for Birotron info.
 
Chris Dale

Re: [Mellotronists] Fw: Birotrons

2002-02-14 by Don Tillman

> From: "Chris Dale" <chris.dale@...>
> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 19:41:31 -0500
>
> -simulated attack and decay via 2 knobs on control panel

Huh? Was there an envelope generator and VCA for each key?

Or a more general question; what sort of circuitry was there in a
Birotron? What'd they do with the signals off the 8-track heads?

-- Don

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Don Tillman
Palo Alto, California, USA
don@...
http://www.till.com

RE: [Mellotronists] Fw: Birotrons

2002-02-14 by Andy Thompson

 
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Dale [mailto:chris.dale@...]
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Subject: [Mellotronists] Fw: Birotrons

 
 
Chris
 
Genuinely fascinating stuff!
 
 
-Besides Wakeman, T Dream and Earthstar are only original users of the machine 
 
Has anyone any idea whether the tangs ever recorded with theirs and if so, on what?
 
-Only known classic era recordings to feature Birotron are:
 
 Earthstar - Human's Only (+ another I can't recall the name of)
 
Three albums in total: 'French Skyline', 'Atomkraft? Nein, Danke!' and 'Humans Only'. See my reviews at:

http://freespace.virgin.net/andy.thompson/reviewse.htm

 

 mid 1990's commercial recordings (Dave Kean's Birotron)

 - Eleni Mandell (self titled?)
 
So that's the source of that one!
 
  - Dave Kean's track "Lift" from Rime of the Ancient Sampler
 
Never noticed that one before - plays a Chamby, too. 

Andy T.
M400 #1145


Re: [Mellotronists] Fw: Birotrons

2002-02-14 by tronbros@aol.com

In a message dated 14/2/02 4:52:50 PM GMT Standard Time, don@... writes:


Huh?  Was there an envelope generator and VCA for each key? 

Or a more general question; what sort of circuitry was there in a
Birotron?  What'd they do with the signals off the 8-track heads?


The machine has a separate pre amp for each key(two on a board - 19 boards - one unused).

Best,

Martin
Streetly Electronics - all things MELLOTRONIC

US East Coast Agent: Jimmy Moore - JMoore6397@...

Re: [Mellotronists] Fw: Birotrons

2002-02-14 by NormLeete@aol.com

In a message dated 2/14/02 6:48:46 PM GMT Standard Time, tronbros@... writes:


The machine has a separate pre amp for each key(two on a board - 19 boards - one unused).


Each board plugged into a mother board mounted under the keyboard. They plug in from the front for easy servicing. The motherboard had the (19) heads connected to it.

Norm

[Mellotronists] Fw: Birotrons

2002-02-16 by tron@blackcat.demon.co.uk

> Each board plugged into a mother board mounted under the keyboard.
> They plug in from the front for easy servicing. The motherboard had the
> (19) heads connected to it.

On the subject of Birotrons, I'm just back from my bi-annual visit to
Streetly and had a chance to play the Birotron (number 7) that they have
in for repair/servicing.

Don't get over excited about them. The only thing interesting about them
is their rarity. The tapes had been removed and replaced with Tron
sounds, so the sounds themselves were substantially better than normal,
but the artifical attack/delay is - for the most part - lousy. The keys
are all springy switch-types (much like my 1970s electric piano, I
thought) and considering that it's pretty small it weighs an absolute
ton. Compared to the Birotron, the Mellotron is a hi-fi snob's wet
dream.

They also have a very rare Mellotron 4-track in for repair (which is a
good idea housed in a pretty horrible metal cabinet) and a Chamberlin
300. Trust me - if you ever think that the mechanism in a Mk II is
dodgy, wait until you have a look inside one of *these* things!!

Mike Dickson (tron@...) M400 #996
The Official Cynic of Streetly Electronics
Streetly Sample Library http://www.blackcat.demon.co.uk/tron/samples.htm

RE: [Mellotronists] Fw: Birotrons

2002-02-16 by Andy Thompson

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Subject: [Mellotronists] Fw: Birotrons


Martinge


They also have a very rare Mellotron 4-track in for repair (which is a
good idea housed in a pretty horrible metal cabinet) and a Chamberlin
300. Trust me - if you ever think that the mechanism in a Mk II is
dodgy, wait until you have a look inside one of *these* things!!


The 4-track's as rare as rocking horse shit, isn't it? Are you going to get
some pics before it leaves? Are you allowed to tell us who it belongs to?
The only band I've ever heard of using one are Canada's Strange Advance.

Andy T.
M400 #1145

http://freespace.virgin.net/andy.thompson/