Mellotronists

-----Original Message-----
From: JS [mailto:jonesalley@sctelcom.net]
Sent: 02 June 2003 06:20
To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Mellotronists] ?

Jon

"Prog flavored mainstream pop"

I must admit, I'm surprised at the reaction that phrase has generated - perhaps I could best elucidate with a brief list of examples upon which I could easily expand, as I'm sure you all would as well:

Asia

Styx

Foreigner

Journey

Giuffria

Bad English

Queensryche

Boston

Electric Light Orchestra

U2

...and the list goes on.

Hope that clarifies.

I think the confusion's coming from definition - these are all , in one way or another, rock bands (especially Queensryche). 'Mainstream pop' makes me think of the lowest common denominator crud that's clogging up the charts, although there has, of course, been plenty of 'prog flavoured pop' over the decades:

Beatles

Beach Boys

Kinks

Zombies

any other decent psych-pop band

10cc

Coldplay

etc.

Y'know, even Black Sabbath referred to themselves as 'heavy pop' early on in their career! But then, they did spend many years permanently stoned...

'The Ultimate Mellotron Recordings List (Possibly)'

http://freespace.virgin.net/andy.thompson/

Hi Jon,

No disrespect intended, oxymoron is just a fun word to say and I don't 
get to use it that often! ;)
When I think of prog I think of 15 minute epics... when I think of 
mainstream pop i think of cookie cutter talent and huge markets owned by 
infinity broadcasting.  The two genres just in general, in my mind, mix 
like water and oil because long songs that are interesting to listen to 
don't sit well with program directors who must play lots of commercials.  
It's harder to "dumb down" your audience with music in 15/8 and that is 
not all 120bpm.  Oh, better not get me started.  i DO see your point.

funny, one of my current bandmates used to be in a band that marketed 
themselves as "progressive pop for the 90's!". 

-jim/m400#680

On 6/1/03 10:19 PM, JS wrote:

>
>
>"Prog flavored mainstream pop"
>
>I must admit, I'm surprised at the reaction that phrase has generated - 
>perhaps I could best elucidate with a brief list of examples upon which I 
>could easily expand, as I'm sure you all would as well:
>
>Asia
>Styx
>Foreigner
>Journey
>Giuffria
>Bad English
>Queensryche
>Boston
>Electric Light Orchestra
>U2
>
>...and the list goes on.
>
>Hope that clarifies.
>
>Jon E Salley
>jonesalley@...
>M400 #886
>

I must admit, I'm surprised at the reaction that phrase has generated - perhaps I could best elucidate with a brief list of examples upon which I could easily expand, as I'm sure you all would as well:
\ufffd
Asia
Styx
Foreigner
Journey
Giuffria
Bad English
Queensryche
Boston
Electric Light Orchestra
U2
\ufffd
...and the list goes on.
\ufffd
Personally, I think  Asia and Journey fall under the sub-genre of "prog flavored mainstream crap".  Styx is the kinda band that I'm almost embarrassed to like, much like Def leppard's "Pyromania".  Then again, I think Glen Campbell's recording of Jimmy Webb's "Wichita Lineman" is in my top three best pop tunes of all time. Aaaand Begin......

Fritz

Fritz

Y'know, even Black Sabbath referred to themselves as 'heavy pop' early on in their career! But then, they did spend many years permanently stoned...
 


Masters of Reality is still a very scary record to me!  Great guitar sounds!

FD

Actually, what I'd like to know about is the "hogvbr8r"  - is that 
like, foreplay for farmboys?

Hmmmm, "hogvbr8r."  Is that foreplay for farm boys?

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "jonesalley" <jonesalley@...>
To: <Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:41 PM
Subject: [Mellotronists] ?


> Actually, what I'd like to know about is the "hogvbr8r"  - is that 
> like, foreplay for farmboys?

You're really very interested in this, aren't you, Jon?  :-)

Andy T.

----- Original Message -----

From: "JS" <jonesalley@...>
To: <Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:34 PM
Subject: Fw: [Mellotronists] ?


> Well, yes, of course I'm interested.  You're British, don't try to pretend
> you don't understand.

My client has absolutely no memory of the incident, M'lud.

> What actually happened was the group email was delaying messages for a few
> hours and I was beginning to think I hadn't hit the "send" as I was
posting
> from the group page, thus the echo.  But, it was fun, wasn't it???

You *did* look a little impatient.  :-)

Andy T.

Hey, Mark.  
Since you choose to single me out for my remark about the forlorn 
appearance of that eBay M400, I'll keep this simple.

Blow me.

That Mellotron looks like ASS.  Regardless of how it plays, it looks 
like ASS.  Look in the mirror, you'll see the resemblance.

Jon Salley

Everything's "bottoms" to you, isn't it?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jonesalley" <jonesalley@...>
To: <Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 19 February 2004 19:20
Subject: [Mellotronists] ?


> Hey, Mark.
> Since you choose to single me out for my remark about the
forlorn
> appearance of that eBay M400, I'll keep this simple.
>
> Blow me.
>
> That Mellotron looks like ASS.  Regardless of how it plays, it
looks
> like ASS.  Look in the mirror, you'll see the resemblance.
>
> Jon Salley
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Wow, I had no idea that some members of this list were so "low-brow"... As a
member of this list I certainly deserve more respect than this juvenile
diatribe indicates... Either remove the offenders or remove me.

-----Original Message-----
From: jonesalley [mailto:jonesalley@...] 
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 11:20 AM
To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Mellotronists] ?


Hey, Mark.  
Since you choose to single me out for my remark about the forlorn 
appearance of that eBay M400, I'll keep this simple.

Blow me.

That Mellotron looks like ASS.  Regardless of how it plays, it looks 
like ASS.  Look in the mirror, you'll see the resemblance.

Jon Salley



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On Thu, 19 Feb 2004, David Jacques wrote:

> Wow, I had no idea that some members of this list were so "low-brow"... As a
> member of this list I certainly deserve more respect than this juvenile
> diatribe indicates... Either remove the offenders or remove me.


this happens around here about once a year or so.
something about spring being around the corner... something
about being "in heat"... mating rituals... bodily fluids...

our esteemed moderator seems to prefer an open and unedited
forum... so you may want to follow the simple instructions
that accompany every message to the list:

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> From: Jeff Coulter <jeffc@...>
   > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:01:01 -0500 (EST)
   >
   > On Thu, 19 Feb 2004, David Jacques wrote:
   > 
   > this happens around here about once a year or so.

It does, pretty much.

   > our esteemed moderator seems to prefer an open and unedited
   > forum...

That's right.  I figure we're all adults.

The Streetly remark about DK doing bad work assumes that DK had
anything to do with the state of the machine, or if he did, that it
hadn't tumbled down a flight of stairs since.  Neither is likely, so
this was an obvious unprofessional swipe at DK.

I think the swipe, as well as the ensuing arguments, will be viewed
negatively by most of the 235 members of this group as well as many of
the onlookers (the archives are open).  So it probably wasn't the best
business decision.

Y'r humble list manager,

  -- Don

-- 
Don Tillman
Palo Alto, California
don@...
http://www.till.com

Fine,
that just means more kosher mellotrons for the rest of us ;-)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don Tillman" <don@...>
> I think the swipe, as well as the ensuing arguments, will be
viewed
> negatively by most of the 235 members of this group as well as
many of
> the onlookers (the archives are open).  So it probably wasn't
the best

> business decision.
>
> Y'r humble list manager,
>
>   -- Don

No, I don't know what "snense" is, so don't ask.