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derrick espino
phlizmo@... - email
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Okay , 
the cool stringy reverb on the Lovley rita Piano break, as described by Geoff Emerick the first Engineer on the sessions, was a piece of sticky tape on the capstan of a tape machine to wobble the echo return. Thats what he says. having said that hearing your view on the 3 violins theory makes it click a bit more.. that is to me what that sounds like.. now i believe that according to the new Beatle gear book, or whatever its called, john did purchase his MK II in 1965.. If ANY tron appears on Tomorow Never Knows it is simply because all the loops that were used were made at HOME by each of the Beatles themselves... wanting to have something curious to add to the mix i am sure John used his Mellotron for some of it. basically in the studio , all the Beatles brought in were a bunch of 1/4 inch reels of various effects.. From every beatle source I have read, it has been maintained that NO mellotron was used anywhere on SGT. Peppers.. THe Harmonium in Mr. Kite is real Because George Martin Played it and said that after so many takes of pumping the organ he colapsed on the studio floor exhausted... There is a tooty/flute like organ that he also plays on the track which you can hear very clearly in the end of the song during the Psychedelic swirl, on the left channel I believe opposite of the FX(The Anthology version is much clearer.. )The Brass on goodmorning is definitley the real deal because Geoff has gone on record stating that the Beatles wanted a special sound so they put mikes right inside the Bells of the Saxes..As for he Mystery sounds of Strawberry Fields, the clicking on and off sound has stumped me forever.. when i got hold of the anthology version, I thought it was maybe someone flicking a toggle switch on their guitar.. Maybe it is mellotron.. what i wanna know is, what are the Swoops being played with on the Anthology version???????? It sounds like a Elec guitar slide thing.. but After listening more it began to sound like a mellotron bit.. I think that there is some Mellotron on Glass Onion from the anthology.. During those "..place you can go-oo-whoah" sections..that swoopy string bit that was later replaced with a real string section after George Martin returned from holidy and heard "Johns MiX".. I really doubt any tron was used on Sgt peppers though i know folks believe that there is at least tron FX. As for cheap Trick, i know for a fact that they own a Mellotron so i am sure they used one somewhere. A few years back i was talkting with Jack Douglas who produced their frist album and Budokan, as well as Aerosmith, The Who, and of course John Lennon, and he said that they, (cheap Trick) had recently opened up their mellotron case and pulled out the instrument to investigate.. "Then this fell out" he told me as he, from his pocket, produced a pick from their 1978 tour.. Of course Tron on Aerosmith "dream on".. but we all know that.As of last week Jack is still convinced that tron was used on Sgt Peppers.. when he saw my MK VI he asked, "do you have the chickens?"
Derrick Espino


\

It's Reginald KILBY.


--- chris.dale@... wrote:
> Well, I'm not really sure about this.
> 
> 
> An old friend and music director I worked with (Rick
> Blechta met him at my wedding) who was heavily into
> the Beatles and has pretty much every Beatle album,
> book, biography, bootleg, CD, cassette, 8 track,
> toy, apple record, video, film etc.,etc,etc, told me
> that Lennon cut up some reels of tape with recorded
> calliopes on them, threw them up in the air, and
> taped them back together again. The song is
> apparently based on an old circus poster
> advertisement, with some of the lyrics taken from
> the poster itself.
> 
> I do agree about the sound effects in Back In The
> U.S.S.R. and throughout the White Album, but there
> is no tron in I Am The Walrus. 
> 
> There is a connection though - the player of the
> cellos in  "Walrus" is Reginald Kirby - the same
> individual who recorded his cello for the M400 cello
> sound. So it's a pretty close guess anyway.
> 
> Chris  
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: brian carney 
>   To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 12:15 AM
>   Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] RE: the beatles,
> cheap trick and on.........
> 
> 
> 
>   I still swear there is Mellotron flute in "Mr.
> Kite."  The opening and turnaround melody in the
> verse (right channel). You can hear the pop and
> keyclick.  That is the only appearance, the rest of
> the song is all harmonium (real) and I believe
> accordian (real) holds down the bottom (and was the
> calliope an electric version)?  Also, I remember
> Dave Kean saying that there is tron mixed with real
> strings in "I Am the Walrus."  The jet on "Back in
> the USSR" is tron.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   >From: phlizmo@... 
>   >To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com 
>   >Subject: [Mellotronists] RE: the beatles, cheap
> trick and on......... 
>   >Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 04:01:39 -0500 
>   > 
>   > 
>   >-- 
>   >derrick espino 
>   >phlizmo@... - email 
>   >(925) 695-2020 x7367 - voicemail/fax 
>   > 
>   > 
>   >Okay , 
>   >the cool stringy reverb on the Lovley rita Piano
> break, as described by Geoff Emerick the first
> Engineer on the sessions, was a piece of sticky tape
> on the capstan of a tape machine to wobble the echo
> return. Thats what he says. having said that hearing
> your view on the 3 violins theory makes it click a
> bit more.. that is to me what that sounds like.. now
> i believe that according to the new Beatle gear
> book, or whatever its called, john did purchase his
> MK II in 1965.. If ANY tron appears on Tomorow Never
> Knows it is simply because all the loops that were
> used were made at HOME by each of the Beatles
> themselves... wanting to have something curious to
> add to the mix i am sure John used his Mellotron for
> some of it. basically in the studio , all the
> Beatles brought in were a bunch of 1/4 inch reels of
> various effects.. From every beatle source I have
> read, it has been maintained that NO mellotron was
> used anywhere on SGT. Peppers.. THe Harmonium in Mr.
> Kite is real Because George Martin Played it and
> said that after so many takes of pumping the organ
> he colapsed on the studio floor exhausted... There
> is a tooty/flute like organ that he also plays on
> the track which you can hear very clearly in the end
> of the song during the Psychedelic swirl, on the
> left channel I believe opposite of the FX(The
> Anthology version is much clearer.. )The Brass on
> goodmorning is definitley the real deal because
> Geoff has gone on record stating that the Beatles
> wanted a special sound so they put mikes right
> inside the Bells of the Saxes..As for he Mystery
> sounds of Strawberry Fields, the clicking on and off
> sound has stumped me forever.. when i got hold of
> the anthology version, I thought it was maybe
> someone flicking a toggle switch on their guitar..
> Maybe it is mellotron.. what i wanna know is, what
> are the Swoops being played with on the Anthology
> version???????? It sounds like a Elec guitar slide
> thing.. but After listening more it began to sound
> like a mellotron bit.. I think that there is some
> Mellotron on Glass Onion from the anthology.. During
> those "..place you can go-oo-whoah" sections..that
> swoopy string bit that was later replaced with a
> real string section after George Martin returned
> from holidy and heard "Johns MiX".. I really doubt
> any tron was used on Sgt peppers though i know folks
> believe that there is at least tron FX. As for cheap
> Trick, i know for a fact that they own a Mellotron
> so i am sure they used one somewhere. A few years
> back i was talkting with Jack Douglas who produced
> their frist album and Budokan, as well as Aerosmith,
> The Who, and of course John Lennon, and he said that
> they, (cheap Trick) had recently opened up their
> mellotron case and pulled out the instrument to
> investigate.. "Then this fell out" he told me as he,
> from his pocket, produced a pick from their 1978
> tour.. Of course Tron on Aerosmith "dream on".. but
> we all know that.As of last week Jack is still
> convinced that tron was used on Sgt Peppers.. when
> he saw my MK VI he asked, "do you have the
> chickens?" 
>   >Derrick Espino 
>   > 
>   > 
>   >\ 
> 
> 
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Saw the "Stormwatch" tour (with 3-piece version of UK as opening act). I
am quite sure (through the haze of time) the stage-left keyboardist -
David Palmer or John Evan? - had an M400....anyone else? The following
tour, in support of the 'A' album, was fantastic with Eddie Jobson on
keys and violin - but alas, no tron to be seen...

Vance

brian carney wrote:

>
>
>  Yeah, I never thought "Walrus" had any Tron...there was a discussion
> a long time ago in this group about cello on Crimso's "Fallen Angel",
> I think it was.  Was there ever resolution on that one (I was just
> listening to the record.  There's certainly Tron cello on "Red" and
> "Starless").  Has anyone else given "Mr. Kite" and "Lovely Rita" a
> listen for "Spot The Mellotron"?  I'd like to hear everyone's two
> cents!  There's always unlisted Mellotron in songs.  The first Herbie
> Hancock Headhunters album definitely has flute buried in there,
> unlisted.  Emerson always said he never played one, but "Diamondhard
> Apples on the Moon" has some wonderfully scratchy MkII strings. Did
> Jethro Tull only use Mellotron in the studio ("Witches' Promise,"
> "Cross-Eyed Mary")? Did they take one on the road during the Aqualung
> period (anyone here see Tull up close in the early 70's)?
>
> --Brian
>
> M400 #486
>   >From: mark kasian
> >To: chris.dale@..., Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, brian
> carney
> >Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] RE: the beatles, cheap trick and
> on.........
> >Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 17:16:46 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >It's Reginald KILBY.
> >
> >
> >--- chris.dale@... wrote:
> > > Well, I'm not really sure about this.
> > >
> > >
> > > An old friend and music director I worked with (Rick
> > > Blechta met him at my wedding) who was heavily into
> > > the Beatles and has pretty much every Beatle album,
> > > book, biography, bootleg, CD, cassette, 8 track,
> > > toy, apple record, video, film etc.,etc,etc, told me
> > > that Lennon cut up some reels of tape with recorded
> > > calliopes on them, threw them up in the air, and
> > > taped them back together again. The song is
> > > apparently based on an old circus poster
> > > advertisement, with some of the lyrics taken from
> > > the poster itself.
> > >
> > > I do agree about the sound effects in Back In The
> > > U.S.S.R. and throughout the White Album, but there
> > > is no tron in I Am The Walrus.
> > >
> > > There is a connection though - the player of the
> > > cellos in "Walrus" is Reginald Kirby - the same
> > > individual who recorded his cello for the M400 cello
> > > sound. So it's a pretty close guess anyway.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: brian carney
> > > To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 12:15 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] RE: the beatles,
> > > cheap trick and on.........
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I still swear there is Mellotron flute in "Mr.
> > > Kite." The opening and turnaround melody in the
> > > verse (right channel). You can hear the pop and
> > > keyclick. That is the only appearance, the rest of
> > > the song is all harmonium (real) and I believe
> > > accordian (real) holds down the bottom (and was the
> > > calliope an electric version)? Also, I remember
> > > Dave Kean saying that there is tron mixed with real
> > > strings in "I Am the Walrus." The jet on "Back in
> > > the USSR" is tron.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: phlizmo@...
> > > >To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: [Mellotronists] RE: the beatles, cheap
> > > trick and on.........
> > > >Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 04:01:39 -0500
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--
> > > >derrick espino
> > > >phlizmo@... - email
> > > >(925) 695-2020 x7367 - voicemail/fax
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Okay ,
> > > >the cool stringy reverb on the Lovley rita Piano
> > > break, as described by Geoff Emerick the first
> > > Engineer on the sessions, was a piece of sticky tape
> > > on the capstan of a tape machine to wobble the echo
> > > return. Thats what he says. having said that hearing
> > > your view on the 3 violins theory makes it click a
> > > bit more.. that is to me what that sounds like.. now
> > > i believe that according to the new Beatle gear
> > > book, or whatever its called, john did purchase his
> > > MK II in 1965.. If ANY tron appears on Tomorow Never
> > > Knows it is simply because all the loops that were
> > > used were made at HOME by each of the Beatles
> > > themselves... wanting to have something curious to
> > > add to the mix i am sure John used his Mellotron for
> > > some of it. basically in the studio , all the
> > > Beatles brought in were a bunch of 1/4 inch reels of
> > > various effects.. From every beatle source I have
> > > read, it has been maintained that NO mellotron was
> > > used anywhere on SGT. Peppers.. THe Harmonium in Mr.
> > > Kite is real Because George Martin Played it and
> > > said that after so many takes of pumping the organ
> > > he colapsed on the studio floor exhausted... There
> > > is a tooty/flute like organ that he also plays on
> > > the track which you can hear very clearly in the end
> > > of the song during the Psychedelic swirl, on the
> > > left channel I believe opposite of the FX(The
> > > Anthology version is much clearer.. )The Brass on
> > > goodmorning is definitley the real deal because
> > > Geoff has gone on record stating that the Beatles
> > > wanted a special sound so they put mikes right
> > > inside the Bells of the Saxes..As for he Mystery
> > > sounds of Strawberry Fields, the clicking on and off
> > > sound has stumped me forever.. when i got hold of
> > > the anthology version, I thought it was maybe
> > > someone flicking a toggle switch on their guitar..
> > > Maybe it is mellotron.. what i wanna know is, what
> > > are the Swoops being played with on the Anthology
> > > version???????? It sounds like a Elec guitar slide
> > > thing.. but After listening more it began to sound
> > > like a mellotron bit.. I think that there is some
> > > Mellotron on Glass Onion from the anthology.. During
> > > those "..place you can go-oo-whoah" sections..that
> > > swoopy string bit that was later replaced with a
> > > real string section after George Martin returned
> > > from holidy and heard "Johns MiX".. I really doubt
> > > any tron was used on Sgt peppers though i know folks
> > > believe that there is at least tron FX. As for cheap
> > > Trick, i know for a fact that they own a Mellotron
> > > so i am sure they used one somewhere. A few years
> > > back i was talkting with Jack Douglas who produced
> > > their frist album and Budokan, as well as Aerosmith,
> > > The Who, and of course John Lennon, and he said that
> > > they, (cheap Trick) had recently opened up their
> > > mellotron case and pulled out the instrument to
> > > investigate.. "Then this fell out" he told me as he,
> > > from his pocket, produced a pick from their 1978
> > > tour.. Of course Tron on Aerosmith "dream on".. but
> > > we all know that.As of last week Jack is still
> > > convinced that tron was used on Sgt Peppers.. when
> > > he saw my MK VI he asked, "do you have the
> > > chickens?"
> > > >Derrick Espino
> > > >
> > > >
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Herbie had a tron and even credited it on Sextant.
Also on Crossings.


--- brian carney <briancarney@...> wrote:

---------------------------------





Yeah, I never thought "Walrus" had any Tron...there
was a discussion a long time ago in this group about
cello on Crimso's "Fallen Angel", I think it was.  Was
there ever resolution on that one (I was just
listening to the record.  There's certainly Tron cello
on "Red" and "Starless").  Has anyone else given "Mr.
Kite" and "Lovely Rita" a listen for "Spot The
Mellotron"?  I'd like to hear everyone's two cents! 
There's always unlisted Mellotron in songs.  The first
Herbie Hancock Headhunters album definitely has flute
buried in there, unlisted.  Emerson always said he
never played one, but "Diamondhard Apples on the Moon"
has some wonderfully scratchy MkII strings. Did Jethro
Tull only use Mellotron in the studio ("Witches'
Promise," "Cross-Eyed Mary")? Did they take one on the
road during the Aqualung period (anyone here see Tull
up close in the early 70's)?


--Brian 

M400 #486


 >From: mark kasian >To: chris.dale@...,
Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, brian carney 
>Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] RE: the beatles, cheap
trick and on......... >Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 17:16:46
-0800 (PST) > >It's Reginald KILBY. > > >---
chris.dale@... wrote: > > Well, I'm not really
sure about this. > > > > > > An old friend and music
director I worked with (Rick > > Blechta met him at my
wedding) who was heavily into > > the Beatles and has
pretty much every Beatle album, > > book, biography,
bootleg, CD, cassette, 8 track, > > toy, apple record,
video, film etc.,etc,etc, told me > > that Lennon cut
up some reels of tape with recorded > > calliopes on
them, threw them up in the air, and > > taped them
back together again. The song is > > apparently based
on an old circus poster > > advertisement, with some
of the lyrics taken from > > the poster itself. > > >
> I do agree about the sound effects in Back In The >
> U.S.S.R. and throughout the White Album, but there >
> is no tron in I Am The Walrus. > > > > There is a
connection though - the player of the > > cellos in
"Walrus" is Reginald Kirby - the same > > individual
who recorded his cello for the M400 cello > > sound.
So it's a pretty close guess anyway. > > > > Chris > >
----- Original Message ----- > > From: brian carney >
> To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com > > Sent:
Saturday, February 22, 2003 12:15 AM > > Subject: Re:
[Mellotronists] RE: the beatles, > > cheap trick and
on......... > > > > > > > > I still swear there is
Mellotron flute in "Mr. > > Kite." The opening and
turnaround melody in the > > verse (right channel).
You can hear the pop and > > keyclick. That is the
only appearance, the rest of > > the song is all
harmonium (real) and I believe > > accordian (real)
holds down the bottom (and was the > > calliope an
electric version)? Also, I remember > > Dave Kean
saying that there is tron mixed with real > > strings
in "I Am the Walrus." The jet on "Back in > > the
USSR" is tron. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From:
phlizmo@... > > >To:
Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject:
[Mellotronists] RE: the beatles, cheap > > trick and
on......... > > >Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 04:01:39 -0500
> > > > > > > > >-- > > >derrick espino > >
>phlizmo@... - email > > >(925) 695-2020 x7367
- voicemail/fax > > > > > > > > >Okay , > > >the cool
stringy reverb on the Lovley rita Piano > > break, as
described by Geoff Emerick the first > > Engineer on
the sessions, was a piece of sticky tape > > on the
capstan of a tape machine to wobble the echo > >
return. Thats what he says. having said that hearing >
> your view on the 3 violins theory makes it click a >
> bit more.. that is to me what that sounds like.. now
> > i believe that according to the new Beatle gear >
> book, or whatever its called, john did purchase his
> > MK II in 1965.. If ANY tron appears on Tomorow
Never > > Knows it is simply because all the loops
that were > > used were made at HOME by each of the
Beatles > > themselves... wanting to have something
curious to > > add to the mix i am sure John used his
Mellotron for > > some of it. basically in the studio
, all the > > Beatles brought in were a bunch of 1/4
inch reels of > > various effects.. From every beatle
source I have > > read, it has been maintained that NO
mellotron was > > used anywhere on SGT. Peppers.. THe
Harmonium in Mr. > > Kite is real Because George
Martin Played it and > > said that after so many takes
of pumping the organ > > he colapsed on the studio
floor exhausted... There > > is a tooty/flute like
organ that he also plays on > > the track which you
can hear very clearly in the end > > of the song
during the Psychedelic swirl, on the > > left channel
I believe opposite of the FX(The > > Anthology version
is much clearer.. )The Brass on > > goodmorning is
definitley the real deal because > > Geoff has gone on
record stating that the Beatles > > wanted a special
sound so they put mikes right > > inside the Bells of
the Saxes..As for he Mystery > > sounds of Strawberry
Fields, the clicking on and off > > sound has stumped
me forever.. when i got hold of > > the anthology
version, I thought it was maybe > > someone flicking a
toggle switch on their guitar.. > > Maybe it is
mellotron.. what i wanna know is, what > > are the
Swoops being played with on the Anthology > >
version???????? It sounds like a Elec guitar slide > >
thing.. but After listening more it began to sound > >
like a mellotron bit.. I think that there is some > >
Mellotron on Glass Onion from the anthology.. During >
> those "..place you can go-oo-whoah" sections..that >
> swoopy string bit that was later replaced with a > >
real string section after George Martin returned > >
from holidy and heard "Johns MiX".. I really doubt > >
any tron was used on Sgt peppers though i know folks >
> believe that there is at least tron FX. As for cheap
> > Trick, i know for a fact that they own a Mellotron
> > so i am sure they used one somewhere. A few years
> > back i was talkting with Jack Douglas who produced
> > their frist album and Budokan, as well as
Aerosmith, > > The Who, and of course John Lennon, and
he said that > > they, (cheap Trick) had recently
opened up their > > mellotron case and pulled out the
instrument to > > investigate.. "Then this fell out"
he told me as he, > > from his pocket, produced a pick
from their 1978 > > tour.. Of course Tron on Aerosmith
"dream on".. but > > we all know that.As of last week
Jack is still > > convinced that tron was used on Sgt
Peppers.. when > > he saw my MK VI he asked, "do you
have the > > chickens?" > > >Derrick Espino > > > > >
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