Mellotronists

MAinPsych@... wrote:
> *Does anyone know if the M-Tron discs are stricly software based (i.e., 
> CuBase) or are they compatible with a sampler (e.g., AKAI CD3000i)?
> 
> Frank Samagaio
> San Diego CA
> M400 #908*
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Frank,

M-tron is a VST plugin usable with any software package that directly 
suipports VST.  To use it you will need a PC with Cubase or equivilent.
-- 
Cheers,
SDM -- a 21st century schizoid man
http://systemstheory.net	internet music project
http://thecleanersystem.com	software for dry cleaners
NP: nothing

Oops, I didn't realize that, unlike other Yahoo groups, the default 
reply address is the poster's email address. No wonder my posts 
never take!

Anyway, M-Tron can also be used on a Mac, as can Cubase. The latest 
library has samples of Klaus Hoffmann-Hoock's MkII. Overall, the 
samples don't sound as good as the samples I just finished making of 
my brand new Streetly tapes :), but they sound fine in a recording 
with other instruments and a little reverb. They are probably the 
best commercially available samples.

Bernie

--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, sdavmor <sdavmor@s...> wrote:
> MAinPsych@a... wrote:
> > *Does anyone know if the M-Tron discs are stricly software based 
(i.e., 
> > CuBase) or are they compatible with a sampler (e.g., AKAI 
CD3000i)?
> > 
> > Frank Samagaio
> > San Diego CA
> > M400 #908*
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > Mellotronists-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> 
> Frank,
> 
> M-tron is a VST plugin usable with any software package that 
directly 
> suipports VST.  To use it you will need a PC with Cubase or 
equivilent.

> -- 
> Cheers,
> SDM -- a 21st century schizoid man
> http://systemstheory.net	internet music project
> http://thecleanersystem.com	software for dry cleaners
> NP: nothing

On Wednesday, January 1, 2003, at 04:15  pm, Bernie Kornowicz 
<kornowicz@...> wrote:
>
>
> Anyway, M-Tron can also be used on a Mac, as can Cubase. The latest
> library has samples of Klaus Hoffmann-Hoock's MkII. Overall, the
> samples don't sound as good as the samples I just finished making of
> my brand new Streetly tapes :), but they sound fine in a recording
> with other instruments and a little reverb. They are probably the
> best commercially available samples.

I think they sound a bit naff because they were sampled from 
Radioohead's shagged-out M400. Have they had it serviced yet 
Martin?..... I could put in a word....

--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, Colin Crawford <g-
colin.crawford@v...> wrote:
> 
> On Wednesday, January 1, 2003, at 04:15  pm, Bernie Kornowicz 
> <kornowicz@c...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Anyway, M-Tron can also be used on a Mac, as can Cubase. The 
latest
> > library has samples of Klaus Hoffmann-Hoock's MkII. Overall, the
> > samples don't sound as good as the samples I just finished making 
of
> > my brand new Streetly tapes :), but they sound fine in a recording
> > with other instruments and a little reverb. They are probably the
> > best commercially available samples.
> 
> I think they sound a bit naff because they were sampled from 
> Radioohead's shagged-out M400. Have they had it serviced yet 
> Martin?..... I could put in a word....

Is that the M400 that the M-Tron folks claim was owned by an East 
German spy? Maybe there are secret messages on the tapes?!!

I was under the impression that they sampled at least three Trons; 
maybe more. And one (snicker) Birotron.

Bernie

On Friday, January 3, 2003, at 04:49  pm, Bernie Kornowicz 
<kornowicz@...> wrote:
>
> I was under the impression that they sampled at least three Trons;
> maybe more. And one (snicker) Birotron.
>
> Bernie
>
Snicker-Birotron?... Did they change the name of this obscure 
instrument?... Was it once known as the Marathtron?

CC

Hey hey...

back on the list....after a couple of years off the list....
What was the big problem with the Birotron....?

// Mattias Olsson

and for tradition.....( first post and all ).....

Does anyone on the list know what sound is used at the beginning of watcher of the skies ? 

www.anglagard.net
http://www.pineforestcrunch.    



----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Colin Crawford" <g-colin.crawford@...>
To: <mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Re: M-Tron


> 
> On Friday, January 3, 2003, at 04:49  pm, Bernie Kornowicz 
> <kornowicz@...> wrote:
> >
> > I was under the impression that they sampled at least three Trons;
> > maybe more. And one (snicker) Birotron.
> >
> > Bernie
> >
> Snicker-Birotron?... Did they change the name of this obscure 
> instrument?... Was it once known as the Marathtron?
> 
> CC
> 
> 
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> 
>  
> 
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> 
>

> And one (snicker) Birotron.

What Biro sounds are on the plug-in?

Mike Dickson (tron@...) M400 #996
The Official Cynic of Streetly Electronics
Streetly Sample Library http://www.blackcat.demon.co.uk/tron/

Mattias Olsson wrote:

    Hey hey...

   back on the list....after a couple of years off the list....
   What was the big problem with the Birotron....?

   // Mattias Olsson

   and for tradition.....( first post and all ).....

   Does anyone on the list know what sound is used at the beginning of
watcher of the
   skies ?

   www.anglagard.net

Mattias,

I believe it was played by a trumpet, a trombone, a wobbly tenor sax and
three old ladies from Lawrence Welk's
violin section. How Banks got them into that little box, we haven't been
able to figure out yet.

Rick

> What was the big problem with the Birotron....?

It sounded like shit, it was *very* poorly implemented, it had crap
recordings to start with (mostly) and had no real industry 'back up'.

> Does anyone on the list know what sound is used at the beginning of
> watcher of the skies ?

Banjo.

Mike Dickson (tron@...) M400 #996
The Official Cynic of Streetly Electronics
Streetly Sample Library http://www.blackcat.demon.co.uk/tron/

Hi Mattias, again!

Waiting with bated breath to hear the answer to your Birotron question.

Also rumor has it that A. will be playing the states again. If you all
manage to make your way to Los Angeles, let it be known that the same three
Mellotrons are still working well <hint hint>. Oh yes, many other
instruments also... and our living room still has no furniture... we have
sleeping bags...

Best Regards,

- Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Blechta [mailto:rick@...]
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 1:30 PM
To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Re: M-Tron


Mattias Olsson wrote:

    Hey hey...

   back on the list....after a couple of years off the list....
   What was the big problem with the Birotron....?

   // Mattias Olsson

   and for tradition.....( first post and all ).....

   Does anyone on the list know what sound is used at the beginning of
watcher of the
   skies ?

   www.anglagard.net

Mattias,

I believe it was played by a trumpet, a trombone, a wobbly tenor sax and
three old ladies from Lawrence Welk's
violin section. How Banks got them into that little box, we haven't been
able to figure out yet.

Rick

hey hey !

Have you still got the original boys choir ?....It´s one of my favorite memories from the first progfest....And we thought the trumpet sounded a bit tired and odd.....

Glad to see that noone replied seriously to the Watcher of the skies thing....The list is in good health...

Concerning the Birotron thing...Does it sound similar to a Orchestron....?

// Mattias

And yes....I´ll be in Los Angeles in March....Definitely a good time for buzzing and humming....I am picking up an Optigan so I might need some tech-help...Thinking about doing some kind of Choptigan operation...I think Jordrök really should have benefited from using maybe theOPtigan disc Organ sing-along instead of that Churchorgan ( Worlds biggest accordion 1993 )...



----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Gene Stopp" <gene@...>
To: <Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 10:41 PM
Subject: RE: [Mellotronists] Re: M-Tron


> Hi Mattias, again!
> 
> Waiting with bated breath to hear the answer to your Birotron question.
> 
> Also rumor has it that A. will be playing the states again. If you all
> manage to make your way to Los Angeles, let it be known that the same three
> Mellotrons are still working well <hint hint>. Oh yes, many other
> instruments also... and our living room still has no furniture... we have
> sleeping bags...
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> - Gene
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Blechta [mailto:rick@...]
> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 1:30 PM
> To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Re: M-Tron
> 
> 
> Mattias Olsson wrote:
> 
>     Hey hey...
> 
>    back on the list....after a couple of years off the list....
>    What was the big problem with the Birotron....?
> 
>    // Mattias Olsson
> 
>    and for tradition.....( first post and all ).....
> 
>    Does anyone on the list know what sound is used at the beginning of
> watcher of the
>    skies ?
> 
>    www.anglagard.net
> 
> Mattias,
> 
> I believe it was played by a trumpet, a trombone, a wobbly tenor sax and
> three old ladies from Lawrence Welk's
> violin section. How Banks got them into that little box, we haven't been
> able to figure out yet.
> 
> Rick
>  
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> Mellotronists-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> 
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
>

> 
> It sounded like shit, it was *very* poorly implemented, it had crap
> recordings to start with (mostly) and had no real industry 'back up'.
> 

Sounds like most of my bands...

/ Mattias

At 21:30 03/01/03 +0000, tron@... wrote:
> > What was the big problem with the Birotron....?
>
>It sounded like shit, it was *very* poorly implemented, it had crap
>recordings to start with (mostly) and had no real industry 'back up'.

A bit harsh but sadly not far from the truth. In terms of implementation
the Dave Biro original used discrete auto 8-track players, (so subsequently
was huge) and sounded OK. A bright engineer (who shall remain
nameless) suggested making it smaller by mounting the 8 -tracks
vertically on a common frame - only after this design decision was taken
did someone dig out the BS (British Standards) documents for 8-track cartridges
and players - they were not intended to be played vertically, hence some 
horrible
tracking  and tape jamming problems.

<Sigh>.

The crap recordings were probably a result of the limited industry 'back up',
(manual fading between two tape loops - resulting in some interesting
audio effects) the whole thing was being done on a shoestring budget (and I 
mean shoestring
even in terms of the industry at the time) and being involved in building 
the darned
things I know how hard a couple of us (more dedicated) engineers struggled 
to make
a silk purse out of a pig's ear. With hindsight it was probably doomed to 
failure,
but at least we had some fun.

I still intend to restore a Birotron - more for interest and maybe a 
Machiavellian sense
of fun, than to produce a useable, playable, instrument. Unless of course 
there is
anyone UK based on the list that would be reckless enough to try one on 
stage :-)

<Duck, in preparation for flame attack>


Best Regards,

Nic

Birotron #009 still awaiting rebuild :-(

Sorry Colin, I did it again!

The Birotron Samples in M-Tron sound muffled. Martin tells me that 
it was in pretty poor condition when the M-Tron folks sampled it.

I think using 35 8-track tape decks is just one step beyond using 35 
turntables.

Bernie

--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, Colin Crawford <g-
colin.crawford@v...> wrote:
> 
> On Friday, January 3, 2003, at 04:49  pm, Bernie Kornowicz 
> <kornowicz@c...> wrote:
> >
> > I was under the impression that they sampled at least three 
Trons;

> > maybe more. And one (snicker) Birotron.
> >
> > Bernie
> >
> Snicker-Birotron?... Did they change the name of this obscure 
> instrument?... Was it once known as the Marathtron?
> 
> CC

Choir, organ, strings and woodwind. There's also Chamberlin harp (2 
sounds) and solo female voice. In all, there are more than 70 sample 
banks. You can find lists of all the samples and some pictures here: 
http://www.gmediamusic.com/gforce/m-tron/index.html

Bernie

--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, tron@b... wrote:

> > And one (snicker) Birotron.
> 
> What Biro sounds are on the plug-in?
> 
> Mike Dickson (tron@b...) M400 #996
> The Official Cynic of Streetly Electronics
> Streetly Sample Library http://www.blackcat.demon.co.uk/tron/

At 18:15 05/01/03 +0000, Bernie Kornowicz <kornowicz@...> wrote:
>Sorry Colin, I did it again!
>
>The Birotron Samples in M-Tron sound muffled. Martin tells me that
>it was in pretty poor condition when the M-Tron folks sampled it.
>
>I think using 35 8-track tape decks is just one step beyond using 35
>turntables.

Normally I'd agree, but knowing the Birotron folks, they'd probably have
put the turntables vertical with results equally as bad as 8-track tapes
playing vertically. (see my posting of 04/01/03).

Mind you, vertical turntables didn't hinder 
Wurlitzer...................................




Best Regards,

Nic

Birotron #009 still awaiting rebuild :-(

In a message dated 01/05/2003 1:33:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
nic@... writes:


> Normally I'd agree, but knowing the Birotron folks, they'd probably have
> put the turntables vertical with results equally as bad as 8-track tapes
> playing vertically. (see my posting of 04/01/03).
> 
> Mind you, vertical turntables didn't hinder 
> Wurlitzer...................................
> 

Very Funny! Well thought out AND with a historical reference.  A+ on the 
comedy scale. (I apologize for not using any sentances in my posting) 

Fritz

Sorry to be a pest.

I was on GForce's website.  There is no "demo" to download and play 
with, but there are a few mp3s that I listened to (repeatedly).  They 
are now including the extra 3 tape sets, so there are about 100 sounds 
to play with.  I have only read about some of the rhythms, etc., but 
this thing's got lots of cool sounds!!!

I might buy it.

TK