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MKII tape swapping stories

2002-10-21 by Robert and Suzanne Young

Hi Ken, Hi Folks:

Yes, Ken M. and I embarked on a journey few have taken - swapping MKII
tapes !  Of course, I had a superb and proven guide watching over me in
the form of Streetly Electronics (i.e. Martin Smith and, no doubt, JB in
the background going "What has that guy buggered up now ??").  Actually,
I haven't had time to work on the cycling glitch on MKII #118 although
I'm sure it will get sorted out. After the intitial anxiety attack of
getting into the guts of the machine has passed, the process is
straight-forward but a notable workout for the fingers and forearms.  My
mishap with the tape vs Wharfedale was the result of a blatant bit of
carelessness on my part (i.e., not listening carefully to Martin). If
one avoids such activity, I don't believe that there is really a need to
remove the speakers.  Considering the size of the magnet, the encounter
had amazingly limited effect - about a 1-1.5.second drop out on Station
6.   

Most importantly, the new sounds are terrific !!!  The new LH roster
includes:
Station 1: Fairlight Swanee, Adrian Belew's sus. guitar, Steve Hacketts'
sus. guitar
Station 2: Oboe, Russian Choir (IMPRESSIVE), St. John's wood organ
Station 3: Cello, M300A strings, French horn
Station 4: Gothic, Medieval woodwind, Orchestra (IMO, the best sound
mix)
Station 5: Recorder, M300B strings, Ian McDonald flute (NICE !!)
Station 6: Woodwind 2, bass clarinet (rattles the windows), Cor
Anaglais/oboe split

The RH keyboard remain traditional leads.

Having now delved a  bit deeper into the workings of a MKII, I stand
behind my contention of some time ago regarding the ingenious design and
robustness of these MKII machines.  They're really quite impressive and
37 years old !!!

Later

Bob Y.  

kenmerb@... wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 10/22/2002 6:18:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> kenmerb@... writes:
> 
>      Regarding the cycling, Martin's tape replacement method
>      provided a way to bypass the timing issues. I replaced each
>      tape by attaching the new tape to old, and pulling it
>      through the tron, using the existing tape as a guide.  This
>      way, I didn't have to take off the cycling chain or the
>      drums.  That probably would have been a nightmare to adjust
>      afterwards
> 
> To clarify here, both Bob and I had cycling problems after replacing
> the tapes, but they weren't timing issues.  It was just that, upon
> replacing the synch tape, neither of our machines could find the tape
> bank index marks on the new tape as they passed over the synch heads.
> After a while, mine started working properly, but Bob's wasn't working
> the last time I heard from him.  Martin's sending him another synch
> tape with a stronger signal, in case that's the problem.  Bob - if
> you're out there, let us know how it's going.
> 
> Ken M.
Hi Folks:

Yes, Ken M. and I embarked on a journey few have taken - swapping MKII
tapes !  Of course, I had a superb and proven guide watching over me in
the form of Streetly Electronics (i.e. Martin Smith and, no doubt, JB in
the background going "What the hell has that banjo-pickin' moron
buggered up now ??").  Actually, I haven't had time to work on the
cycling glitch on MKII #118 although I'm sure it will get sorted out.
After the intitial anxiety attack of getting into the guts of the
machine has passed, the process is straight-forward but a notable
workout for the fingers and forearms.  My mishap resulting in the tape
vs Wharfedale contest was the result of a blatant bit of carelessness on
my part (i.e., not listening carefully to Martin; geeze, I hate
groveling like this). If one avoids such errors, I don't believe that
there is really a need to remove the speakers.  Considering the size of
the magnet, the encounter had amazingly limited effect - about a
1-1.5.second drop out on Station 6.   

Most importantly, the new sounds are terrific !!! (timed impeccably I
might add). The new LH roster includes:
Station 1: Fairlight Swanee, Adrian Belew's sus. guitar, Steve Hacketts'
sus. guitar
Station 2: Oboe, Russian Choir (IMPRESSIVE), St. John's wood organ
Station 3: Cello, M300A strings, French horn
Station 4: Gothic, Medieval woodwind, Orchestra (IMO, the best Tron
sound mix of all time)
Station 5: Recorder, M300B strings, Ian McDonald flute (NICE !!)
Station 6: Woodwind 2, bass clarinet (rattles the windows), Cor
Anaglais/oboe split

The RH keyboard remain traditional leads.

Having now delved a bit deeper into the workings of a MKII, I stand
behind my contention of some time ago regarding the ingenious design and
robustness of these MKII machines.  They're really quite impressive and
37 years old !!!

Later

Bob Y.  

kenmerb@... wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> 
> In a message dated 10/22/2002 6:18:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> kenmerb@... writes:
> 
>      Regarding the cycling, Martin's tape replacement method
>      provided a way to bypass the timing issues. I replaced each
>      tape by attaching the new tape to old, and pulling it
>      through the tron, using the existing tape as a guide.  This
>      way, I didn't have to take off the cycling chain or the
>      drums.  That probably would have been a nightmare to adjust
>      afterwards
> 
> To clarify here, both Bob and I had cycling problems after replacing
> the tapes, but they weren't timing issues.  It was just that, upon
> replacing the synch tape, neither of our machines could find the tape
> bank index marks on the new tape as they passed over the synch heads.
> After a while, mine started working properly, but Bob's wasn't working
> the last time I heard from him.  Martin's sending him another synch
> tape with a stronger signal, in case that's the problem.  Bob - if
> you're out there, let us know how it's going.
> 
> Ken M.

Re: [Mellotronists] MKII tape swapping stories

2002-10-22 by Robert and Suzanne Young

Rick,

Yes, I think that was Martin's last name.  It was one of the "common
folk" names. You know, the type that has an insatiable obsession to
partake of the bubbly (and knows way too many TV western theme songs).


Bob


Rick Blechta wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> 
> Bob,
> 
> This was Martin Smith of Streetly you were speaking about? I am
> confused because you used the words "superb" and "proven" in the same
> sentence...
> 
> Rick (FX Console 10030--bad enough putting in just three new tapes
> after Tronto MkII!)
> 
> Robert and Suzanne Young wrote:
> 
>       Hi Ken, Hi Folks:
> 
>      Yes, Ken M. and I embarked on a journey few have taken -
>      swapping MKII
>      tapes !  Of course, I had a superb and proven guide watching
>      over me in
>      the form of Streetly Electronics (i.e. Martin Smith and, no
>      doubt, JB in
>      the background going "What has that guy buggered up now
>      ??").  Actually,
>      I haven't had time to work on the cycling glitch on MKII
>      #118 although
>      I'm sure it will get sorted out. After the intitial anxiety
>      attack of
>      getting into the guts of the machine has passed, the process
>      is
>      straight-forward but a notable workout for the fingers and
>      forearms.  My
>      mishap with the tape vs Wharfedale was the result of a
>      blatant bit of
>      carelessness on my part (i.e., not listening carefully to
>      Martin). If
>      one avoids such activity, I don't believe that there is
>      really a need to
>      remove the speakers.  Considering the size of the magnet,
>      the encounter
>      had amazingly limited effect - about a 1-1.5.second drop out
>      on Station
>      6.
> 
>      Most importantly, the new sounds are terrific !!!  The new
>      LH roster
>      includes:
>      Station 1: Fairlight Swanee, Adrian Belew's sus. guitar,
>      Steve Hacketts'
>      sus. guitar
>      Station 2: Oboe, Russian Choir (IMPRESSIVE), St. John's wood
>      organ
>      Station 3: Cello, M300A strings, French horn
>      Station 4: Gothic, Medieval woodwind, Orchestra (IMO, the
>      best sound
>      mix)
>      Station 5: Recorder, M300B strings, Ian McDonald flute (NICE
>      !!)
>      Station 6: Woodwind 2, bass clarinet (rattles the windows),
>      Cor
>      Anaglais/oboe split
> 
>      The RH keyboard remain traditional leads.
> 
>      Having now delved a  bit deeper into the workings of a MKII,
>      I stand
>      behind my contention of some time ago regarding the
>      ingenious design and
>      robustness of these MKII machines.  They're really quite
>      impressive and
>      37 years old !!!
> 
>      Later
> 
>      Bob Y.
> 
>      kenmerb@... wrote:
>      >
>      > In a message dated 10/22/2002 6:18:19 PM Eastern Daylight
>      Time,
>      > kenmerb@... writes:
>      >
>      >      Regarding the cycling, Martin's tape replacement
>      method
>      >      provided a way to bypass the timing issues. I
>      replaced each
>      >      tape by attaching the new tape to old, and pulling it
> 
>      >      through the tron, using the existing tape as a
>      guide.  This
>      >      way, I didn't have to take off the cycling chain or
>      the
>      >      drums.  That probably would have been a nightmare to
>      adjust
>      >      afterwards
>      >
>      > To clarify here, both Bob and I had cycling problems after
>      replacing
>      > the tapes, but they weren't timing issues.  It was just
>      that, upon
>      > replacing the synch tape, neither of our machines could
>      find the tape
>      > bank index marks on the new tape as they passed over the
>      synch heads.
>      > After a while, mine started working properly, but Bob's
>      wasn't working
>      > the last time I heard from him.  Martin's sending him
>      another synch
>      > tape with a stronger signal, in case that's the problem.
>      Bob - if
>      > you're out there, let us know how it's going.
>      >
>      > Ken M.
>      Hi Folks:
> 
>      Yes, Ken M. and I embarked on a journey few have taken -
>      swapping MKII
>      tapes !  Of course, I had a superb and proven guide watching
>      over me in
>      the form of Streetly Electronics (i.e. Martin Smith and, no
>      doubt, JB in
>      the background going "What the hell has that banjo-pickin'
>      moron
>      buggered up now ??").  Actually, I haven't had time to work
>      on the
>      cycling glitch on MKII #118 although I'm sure it will get
>      sorted out.
>      After the intitial anxiety attack of getting into the guts
>      of the
>      machine has passed, the process is straight-forward but a
>      notable
>      workout for the fingers and forearms.  My mishap resulting
>      in the tape
>      vs Wharfedale contest was the result of a blatant bit of
>      carelessness on
>      my part (i.e., not listening carefully to Martin; geeze, I
>      hate
>      groveling like this). If one avoids such errors, I don't
>      believe that
>      there is really a need to remove the speakers.  Considering
>      the size of
>      the magnet, the encounter had amazingly limited effect -
>      about a
>      1-1.5.second drop out on Station 6.
> 
>      Most importantly, the new sounds are terrific !!! (timed
>      impeccably I
>      might add). The new LH roster includes:
>      Station 1: Fairlight Swanee, Adrian Belew's sus. guitar,
>      Steve Hacketts'
>      sus. guitar
>      Station 2: Oboe, Russian Choir (IMPRESSIVE), St. John's wood
>      organ
>      Station 3: Cello, M300A strings, French horn
>      Station 4: Gothic, Medieval woodwind, Orchestra (IMO, the
>      best Tron
>      sound mix of all time)
>      Station 5: Recorder, M300B strings, Ian McDonald flute (NICE
>      !!)
>      Station 6: Woodwind 2, bass clarinet (rattles the windows),
>      Cor
>      Anaglais/oboe split
> 
>      The RH keyboard remain traditional leads.
> 
>      Having now delved a bit deeper into the workings of a MKII,
>      I stand
>      behind my contention of some time ago regarding the
>      ingenious design and
>      robustness of these MKII machines.  They're really quite
>      impressive and
>      37 years old !!!
> 
>      Later
> 
>      Bob Y.
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Re: [Mellotronists] MKII tape swapping stories

2002-10-23 by Robert and Suzanne Young

Rick,

Yep, that's the guy ! 

Bob

Rick Blechta wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> 
> Bob,
> 
> Now this sounds a lot more like the Martin Smith I (and most other
> mellotronists) know--especially the part about the "TV western theme
> songs". He does like to sing them at the drop of a hat. (or At the
> Drop of Another Hat). Does your Martin have a sort of squint-eyed,
> leering expression, the sort that makes one generally uneasy at bus
> stops and the like?
> 
> Rick
> 
> Robert and Suzanne Young wrote:
> 
>       Rick,
> 
>      Yes, I think that was Martin's last name.  It was one of the
>      "common
>      folk" names. You know, the type that has an insatiable
>      obsession to
>      partake of the bubbly (and knows way too many TV western
>      theme songs).
> 
> 
>      Bob
> 
> 
>      Rick Blechta wrote:
>      >
>      > Bob,
>      >
>      > This was Martin Smith of Streetly you were speaking about?
>      I am
>      > confused because you used the words "superb" and "proven"
>      in the same
>      > sentence...
>      >
>      > Rick (FX Console 10030--bad enough putting in just three
>      new tapes
>      > after Tronto MkII!)

Re: [Mellotronists] MKII tape swapping stories

2002-10-24 by kenmerb@aol.com

In a message dated 10/24/2002 4:47:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
felixfish@... writes:


> Having now delved a  bit deeper into the workings of a MKII, I stand
> behind my contention of some time ago regarding the ingenious design and
> robustness of these MKII machines.  They're really quite impressive and
> 37 years old !!!
> 
> 

Yes, I totally agree here.  I have a whole new appreciation for the quality 
built into these machines, and attention given to detail when making them.  A 
lot of little things, but they all add up.  Things that I didn't notice 
before getting under the hood.  Such as the turnbuckles, which are larger and 
feature actual rollers inside.  Then there's the huge brass capstan.  Also, 
the little pieces of felt near the tape combs, which make for a smoother 
ride.  The separate pressure pad assembly, which may have something to do 
with the light touch of the MKII keys.  There were no shortcuts taken when 
they built these beasts.  Most of the parts are massive, and the cabinet is 
sturdy, not cheaply made.  The wiring (or should I say cabling), the 
mechanical track selectors, the station selector buttons and the other 
controls, all first rate.  This must be why these things weigh so much, and 
have lasted so long - 37 years!.  I guess if there is an "Achilles Heel" to 
the MKII it is the cycling, but I'm still amazed at how it works.  And now I 
know how to cycle it manually in case it ever comes to that.  The built in 
reverb is pretty much non existent, but that can be overlooked, it sounds 
great without it.  The separate audio outs are there to feed your own reverb 
unit, allowing you to bypass the Wharfedales when needed.  I recently bought 
a new Demeter "studio quality" spring reverb unit for just this purpose.

Plus, the MKII just looks cool ;-).
  

Ken M.

Re: [Mellotronists] MKII tape swapping stories

2002-10-24 by Rick Blechta

Bob,

This was Martin Smith of Streetly you were speaking about? I am confused
because you used the words "superb" and "proven" in the same sentence...

Rick (FX Console 10030--bad enough putting in just three new tapes after
Tronto MkII!)

Robert and Suzanne Young wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>  Hi Ken, Hi Folks:
>
> Yes, Ken M. and I embarked on a journey few have taken - swapping MKII
>
> tapes !  Of course, I had a superb and proven guide watching over me
> in
> the form of Streetly Electronics (i.e. Martin Smith and, no doubt, JB
> in
> the background going "What has that guy buggered up now ??").
> Actually,
> I haven't had time to work on the cycling glitch on MKII #118 although
>
> I'm sure it will get sorted out. After the intitial anxiety attack of
> getting into the guts of the machine has passed, the process is
> straight-forward but a notable workout for the fingers and forearms.
> My
> mishap with the tape vs Wharfedale was the result of a blatant bit of
> carelessness on my part (i.e., not listening carefully to Martin). If
> one avoids such activity, I don't believe that there is really a need
> to
> remove the speakers.  Considering the size of the magnet, the
> encounter
> had amazingly limited effect - about a 1-1.5.second drop out on
> Station
> 6.
>
> Most importantly, the new sounds are terrific !!!  The new LH roster
> includes:
> Station 1: Fairlight Swanee, Adrian Belew's sus. guitar, Steve
> Hacketts'
> sus. guitar
> Station 2: Oboe, Russian Choir (IMPRESSIVE), St. John's wood organ
> Station 3: Cello, M300A strings, French horn
> Station 4: Gothic, Medieval woodwind, Orchestra (IMO, the best sound
> mix)
> Station 5: Recorder, M300B strings, Ian McDonald flute (NICE !!)
> Station 6: Woodwind 2, bass clarinet (rattles the windows), Cor
> Anaglais/oboe split
>
> The RH keyboard remain traditional leads.
>
> Having now delved a  bit deeper into the workings of a MKII, I stand
> behind my contention of some time ago regarding the ingenious design
> and
> robustness of these MKII machines.  They're really quite impressive
> and
> 37 years old !!!
>
> Later
>
> Bob Y.
>
> kenmerb@... wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 10/22/2002 6:18:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > kenmerb@... writes:
> >
> >      Regarding the cycling, Martin's tape replacement method
> >      provided a way to bypass the timing issues. I replaced each
> >      tape by attaching the new tape to old, and pulling it
> >      through the tron, using the existing tape as a guide.  This
> >      way, I didn't have to take off the cycling chain or the
> >      drums.  That probably would have been a nightmare to adjust
> >      afterwards
> >
> > To clarify here, both Bob and I had cycling problems after replacing
>
> > the tapes, but they weren't timing issues.  It was just that, upon
> > replacing the synch tape, neither of our machines could find the
> tape
> > bank index marks on the new tape as they passed over the synch
> heads.
> > After a while, mine started working properly, but Bob's wasn't
> working
> > the last time I heard from him.  Martin's sending him another synch
> > tape with a stronger signal, in case that's the problem.  Bob - if
> > you're out there, let us know how it's going.
> >
> > Ken M.
> Hi Folks:
>
> Yes, Ken M. and I embarked on a journey few have taken - swapping MKII
>
> tapes !  Of course, I had a superb and proven guide watching over me
> in
> the form of Streetly Electronics (i.e. Martin Smith and, no doubt, JB
> in
> the background going "What the hell has that banjo-pickin' moron
> buggered up now ??").  Actually, I haven't had time to work on the
> cycling glitch on MKII #118 although I'm sure it will get sorted out.
> After the intitial anxiety attack of getting into the guts of the
> machine has passed, the process is straight-forward but a notable
> workout for the fingers and forearms.  My mishap resulting in the tape
>
> vs Wharfedale contest was the result of a blatant bit of carelessness
> on
> my part (i.e., not listening carefully to Martin; geeze, I hate
> groveling like this). If one avoids such errors, I don't believe that
> there is really a need to remove the speakers.  Considering the size
> of
> the magnet, the encounter had amazingly limited effect - about a
> 1-1.5.second drop out on Station 6.
>
> Most importantly, the new sounds are terrific !!! (timed impeccably I
> might add). The new LH roster includes:
> Station 1: Fairlight Swanee, Adrian Belew's sus. guitar, Steve
> Hacketts'
> sus. guitar
> Station 2: Oboe, Russian Choir (IMPRESSIVE), St. John's wood organ
> Station 3: Cello, M300A strings, French horn
> Station 4: Gothic, Medieval woodwind, Orchestra (IMO, the best Tron
> sound mix of all time)
> Station 5: Recorder, M300B strings, Ian McDonald flute (NICE !!)
> Station 6: Woodwind 2, bass clarinet (rattles the windows), Cor
> Anaglais/oboe split
>
> The RH keyboard remain traditional leads.
>
> Having now delved a bit deeper into the workings of a MKII, I stand
> behind my contention of some time ago regarding the ingenious design
> and
> robustness of these MKII machines.  They're really quite impressive
> and
> 37 years old !!!
>
> Later
>
> Bob Y.

Re: [Mellotronists] MKII tape swapping stories

2002-10-25 by Rick Blechta

Bob,

Now this sounds a lot more like the Martin Smith I (and most other
mellotronists) know--especially the part about the "TV western theme
songs". He does like to sing them at the drop of a hat. (or At the Drop
of Another Hat). Does your Martin have a sort of squint-eyed, leering
expression, the sort that makes one generally uneasy at bus stops and
the like?

Rick

Robert and Suzanne Young wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>  Rick,
>
> Yes, I think that was Martin's last name.  It was one of the "common
> folk" names. You know, the type that has an insatiable obsession to
> partake of the bubbly (and knows way too many TV western theme songs).
>
>
>
> Bob
>
>
> Rick Blechta wrote:
> >
> > Bob,
> >
> > This was Martin Smith of Streetly you were speaking about? I am
> > confused because you used the words "superb" and "proven" in the
> same
> > sentence...
> >
> > Rick (FX Console 10030--bad enough putting in just three new tapes
> > after Tronto MkII!)