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PlanetMellotron.com

2007-09-26 by Berington Van Campen

Hi everyone!
 
I'm sure I've seen mention of this before here, but it's worth re-
mentioning, the PlanetMellotron.com mellotron owners/players site. 
It's got a most comprehensive list of owners and players, and what 
instruments they used. I can tell the discography's aren't 
necessarily complete, as far as the few that I've followed a bit, 
such as Rick Wakeman, but I was greatly amused (and appreciative) to 
find mention of some of my work on a 1980 album called "Nightwing." I 
was referred to as "...the mysterious Berington Van Campen..." HA! 
EXCELLENT! The reviewer went on to say I "played extra keys, as well 
as writing 'Fantasia.' As a result, I assume it's him playing the 
Mellotron flutes on both parts of his piece, plus occasional choirs 
on 'You Keep Me Hanging On', although all the strings appear to be 
real." In fact, the real strings were transcribed from my Mellotron 
parts and mixed WITH them, not replacing them, which we loved doing, 
and the title song "Something In The Air," was also done the same 
way. Only exception was the end piece, where we did pull the 
Mellotron flutes & violins, 'cause it was so cool to hear the real 
string section floating from chord to chord without the melodies. For 
the record, I also played a lot of synth and guitar stuff on there, 
too, and arranged b/g vocals on the L.A-recorded songs. 
 
Hey, if anyone wants to hear M-400 #1485 a little more currently, you 
can check myspace.com/berington. It's on 3 songs, "Goes The Way It 
Goes," "Hearing How You Breathe," and at the very end of "Waiting In 
The Wings." Unfortunately, as I wrote when I first joined this group, 
ol' #1485 is now on the blink. Needs serious motor work (ALMOST 
frozen motor), and I'd suspect a good housecleaning. Just got a call 
from a guy who wants some Mellotron on a session though, so I think 
it's time to get 'er up 'n' runnin' again!
 
Anyway, thanks for the great, and so-often amusing site you guys 
carry on here. It's excellent. I really DID write just to remind you 
of the PlanetMellotron site, too. It's pretty interesting. Ah yes, as 
a guitarist myself, I'd have to opine too, that Pete Townsend really 
is a terrific guitarist & writer, certainly responsible for a ton of 
iconic music and sounds. Too bad he wasn't sold on Mellotrons, but 
hey, one or two more for the rest of us who WERE! Wouldn't want him 
playing mine anyway; I'm sure his right hand fingers were thrashed 
and bloody!
 
Cheers to y'all
Berington Van Campen, M-400 #1485



Berington Van Campen 
Van Campen Productions / VCMusiCorp 
VCMusiCorp1@...
www.myspace.com/berington

Re: [Mellotronists] PlanetMellotron.com

2007-09-26 by Mike Dickson

Berington Van Campen wrote:
> Hey, if anyone wants to hear M-400 #1485 a little more currently, you 
> can check myspace.com/berington. It's on 3 songs, "Goes The Way It 
> Goes," "Hearing How You Breathe," and at the very end of "Waiting In 
> The Wings." 

Is it still the case that any music (or anything else) uploaded to 
MySpace becomes the property of Ruopert Murdoch's News Corp who now own it?

It certainly used to be the case; several musicians have been stung by 
this one.

-- 

Mike Dickson - M400 #996
The Official Cynic of Streetly Electronics
Streetly Sample Library http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/tron

Re: [Mellotronists] PlanetMellotron.com

2007-09-26 by lsf5275@aol.com

In a message dated 9/25/2007 11:14:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mike.dickson@... writes:

Is it  still the case that any music (or anything else) uploaded to 
MySpace  becomes the property of Ruopert Murdoch's News Corp who now own it?

It  certainly used to be the case; several musicians have been stung by 
this  one.



Now who wouldn't "love the shit" out of that? 
 
To "love the shit out of..." is a Hollywood expression, Mike. Is is a  
reflection of one's penetrating desire to give and take at the same time... with  a 
chance for a chocolaty reward for being so  thoughtful. 



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Re: [Mellotronists] PlanetMellotron.com

2007-09-26 by Mike Dickson

LSF5275@... wrote:
> In a message dated 9/25/2007 11:14:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
> mike.dickson@... writes:
>
>     Is it still the case that any music (or anything else) uploaded to
>     MySpace becomes the property of Ruopert Murdoch's News Corp who
>     now own it?
>
>     It certainly used to be the case; several musicians have been
>     stung by
>     this one.
>
> Now who wouldn't "love the shit" out of that?
>  
> To "love the shit out of..." is a Hollywood expression, Mike. Is is a 
> reflection of one's penetrating desire to give and take at the same 
> time... with a chance for a chocolaty reward for being so thoughtful.

Thanks, Frank. To some it may look like you were answering the wrong 
post, but I know better.

-- 

Mike Dickson - M400 #996
The Official Cynic of Streetly Electronics
Streetly Sample Library http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/tron

MySpace property (was Re: PlanetMellotron.com)

2007-09-26 by thinkingalouduk

I checked this out a little while ago.  It's not the case that NewsCorp own it, however for 
them to be able to distribute your work (via the web) you do have to implicitly grant a 
(non-exclusive) licence for them to use/modify/broadcast your content (music, text, 
graphics, whatever) within the MySpace environment.  Sounds drastic, but if you think 
about it, they have to do all those things to distribute your tracks across the web.

The whole section on this can be seen here:

http://www.myspace.com/Modules/Common/Pages/TermsConditions.aspx

But here's the relevant bit:

"Proprietary Rights in Content on MySpace.com.
MySpace.com does not claim any ownership rights in the text, files, images, photos, video, 
sounds, musical works, works of authorship, or any other materials (collectively, 
"Content") that you post to the MySpace Services. After posting your Content to the 
MySpace Services, you continue to retain all ownership rights in such Content, and you 
continue to have the right to use your Content in any way you choose. By displaying or 
publishing ("posting") any Content on or through the MySpace Services, you hereby grant 
to MySpace.com a limited license to use, modify, publicly perform, publicly display, 
reproduce, and distribute such Content on and through the MySpace Services. Without this 
license, MySpace.com would be unable to provide the MySpace Services. For example, 
without the right to modify Member Content, MySpace.com would not be able to digitally 
compress music files that Members submit or otherwise format Content to satisfy 
technical requirements, and without the right to publicly perform Member Content, 
MySpace.com could not allow Users to listen to music posted by Members. The license you 
grant to MySpace.com is non-exclusive (meaning you are free to license your Content to 
anyone else in addition to MySpace.com), fully-paid and royalty-free (meaning that 
MySpace.com is not required to pay you for the use on the MySpace Services of the 
Content that you post), sublicensable (so that MySpace.com is able to use its affiliates and 
subcontractors such as Internet content delivery networks to provide the MySpace 
Services), and worldwide (because the Internet and the MySpace Services are global in 
reach). This license will terminate at the time you remove your Content from the MySpace 
Services. The license does not grant MySpace.com the right to sell your Content, nor does 
the license grant MySpace.com the right to distribute your Content outside of the MySpace 
Services."

Owen

--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...> wrote:
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>
> Berington Van Campen wrote:
> > Hey, if anyone wants to hear M-400 #1485 a little more currently, you 
> > can check myspace.com/berington. It's on 3 songs, "Goes The Way It 
> > Goes," "Hearing How You Breathe," and at the very end of "Waiting In 
> > The Wings." 
> 
> Is it still the case that any music (or anything else) uploaded to 
> MySpace becomes the property of Ruopert Murdoch's News Corp who now own it?
> 
> It certainly used to be the case; several musicians have been stung by 
> this one.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Mike Dickson - M400 #996
> The Official Cynic of Streetly Electronics
> Streetly Sample Library http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/tron
>

Re: PlanetMellotron.com

2007-09-26 by David Davis

This claim is legally absurd, and would never stand up in court.
I mean ditto if I put some "small print" on a website that says "I am
allowed to murder anyone I like who reads this", this would be total
bollocks :)
You see?

--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...>
wrote:
>
> Berington Van Campen wrote:
> > Hey, if anyone wants to hear M-400 #1485 a little more currently, you 
> > can check myspace.com/berington. It's on 3 songs, "Goes The Way It 
> > Goes," "Hearing How You Breathe," and at the very end of "Waiting In 
> > The Wings." 
> 
> Is it still the case that any music (or anything else) uploaded to 
> MySpace becomes the property of Ruopert Murdoch's News Corp who now
own it?
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> 
> It certainly used to be the case; several musicians have been stung by 
> this one.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Mike Dickson - M400 #996
> The Official Cynic of Streetly Electronics
> Streetly Sample Library http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/tron
>

Re: [Mellotronists] Re: PlanetMellotron.com

2007-09-26 by john barrick

David Davis wrote:
> This claim is legally absurd, and would never stand up in court.
> I mean ditto if I put some "small print" on a website that says "I am
> allowed to murder anyone I like who reads this", this would be total
> bollocks :)
> You see?
>
>   
What, you mean I can't?
jb

Re: [Mellotronists] PlanetMellotron.com

2007-09-26 by Berington Van Campen

Hey Mike!
WOW! First time I\ufffdve heard that! Thank you for the most-serious \ufffdheads-up!\ufffd I know that MySpace was originally set up AS a musicians\ufffd site, for the kind of indie promotion it\ufffds so used for now. I\ufffdd be shocked to find that the case, but I can only say, any music I post is properly copyrighted first, through my publishing administrators (a huge international organization I\ufffdve been with since 1975), and even corroborated with past video recordings over the last couple of years on logged, dated, live webcasts. If anyone were to try the infringement route, I could certainly back up my authorship and 100% ownership.
Thank you VERY much for the warning, though, Mike! Words worth paying CLOSE attention to. In fact, I\ufffdll do what I can to investigate that, and let you know what I find. That would send serious chills thru the indie music community!
Thanks muchly!
\ufffdTronically yours,
Berington

Mike Dickson wrote:
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Berington Van Campen wrote:
> Hey, if anyone wants to hear M-400 #1485 a little more currently, you
> can check myspace.com/berington. It's on 3 songs, "Goes The Way It
> Goes," "Hearing How You Breathe," and at the very end of "Waiting In
> The Wings."

Is it still the case that any music (or anything else) uploaded to
MySpace becomes the property of Ruopert Murdoch's News Corp who now own it?

It certainly used to be the case; several musicians have been stung by
this one.

--

Mike Dickson - M400 #996
The Official Cynic of Streetly Electronics
Streetly Sample Library http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/tron





Berington Van Campen
Van Campen Productions / VCMusiCorp
VCMusiCorp1@...
(626) 458-4474 Home/Office
(323) 821-0411 Cell

Re: [Mellotronists] Re: PlanetMellotron.com

2007-09-26 by Mike Dickson

David Davis wrote:
> This claim is legally absurd, and would never stand up in court.
> I mean ditto if I put some "small print" on a website that says "I am
> allowed to murder anyone I like who reads this", this would be total
> bollocks :)
> You see?
>   

Hm. Some clarification appears here:

http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.phtml/3599/4623/bragg-angry-myspace-song-ownership.phtml

-- 

Mike Dickson - M400 #996
The Official Cynic of Streetly Electronics
Streetly Sample Library http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/tron

Re:MySpace property (was Re: PlanetMellotron.com)

2007-09-26 by Berington Van Campen

Mike & Owen -
Thanks so much for your "Point-Counterpoint" look at what's in fact, a very important concept. I'm so glad you brought it up! It makes all the sense that we have to license all the rights we do, for the use of a piece of music, images, whatever, in order for them to process it in the first place. But it's also important to note that in the agreement it stipultaes no ownership or publishing rights, etc. are in fact, trasferred. It's only a license agreement. REALLY glad you've both added that question and answer to this issue!
I'm also glad to have stirred up a little more taunting humor between you guys! I don't often write, but I always read, and it's always good for a chuckle! What friends are for, electronically or otherwise!
Thanks again!
Berington


Berington Van Campen
Van Campen Productions / VCMusiCorp
VCMusiCorp1@...
(626) 458-4474 Home/Office
(323) 821-0411 Cell

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