Mellotronists

Here's some food for the thinkin'....

     I went to see the Zombies here in Boston MA, and
it was fantastic!  Original members, great
performances, good energy and yes, there were some
senior moments, but a good time nonetheless.  My gripe
was this;  the guitarist was not original and walked
up with some PRS-type guitar and a newer stack of some
kind, with a collection of soulless patch tones and
shredded through every song.  Now, this was the Little
Steven Garage series and the guitar back-line is all
AC30's, so there was no excuse for plugging into that
monstrosity.  
    The bigger problem was that this seemed to be OK
with the band.  They were smiling and flaunting this
"young buck" through the whole set as though this
would somehow connect them with the younger
generation.  I was hanging out with some younger
clients of mine (ranging from 18-24) who love the
Zombies and were disgusted.  Where were the scrappy
rhythmic guitar spanks that made them great?  
Granted, Rob Argent had a digital key setup, but you
try dragging around a harpsichord, marxophone, B3,
etc. to all the shows, as we all know, all too well. 
And he is Rob Argent.
     I guess my question is, at what point does a band
forget what makes them cool?  Yes, it sucks when a
legendary band goes through the motions to make some
bread because they got screwed out of royalties in the
60's, but then, who can blame them for that?  It's an
integrity thing, which is, after all, what makes a
band great in the first place.  Get as old as you like
and play as long as you like.  Just don't pander to a
young audience that would rather hear you be honest
and original like you always were.  
     That's my two cents.

Jack Younger 
-Gracefully growing older and still making records the
old-fashioned way.  



       
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Jack Younger wrote:
>   
> Granted, Rob Argent had a digital key setup, but you
> try dragging around a harpsichord, marxophone, B3,
> etc. to all the shows, as we all know, all too well. 
> And he is Rob Argent.
>      
Actually, he's Rod Argent.
john barrick
1407

"I guess my question is, at what point does a band forget what makes them cool?"

Good question...  IMO, just ask Chris Squire and mates...

(I type this while ducking the tomatoes flying...)...  My favorite show in the last few years from THE era?  

James Gang at the Beacon, NYC 2006...  Played every song perfect...  (Minimal jamming...  which sometimes is a good thing...)

Tend my Hammond...

 
"Nothing can change the shape of things to come." 
...Max Frost
 
"Any talent that we are born with eventually surfaces as a need"
...Marsha Sinetar

----- Original Message ----
From: Jack Younger <e4103s@...>
To: Mellotronists <Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 9:05:29 AM
Subject: [Mellotronists] Middle-age meddling...

Here's some food for the thinkin'....

I went to see the Zombies here in Boston MA, and
it was fantastic! Original members, great
performances, good energy and yes, there were some
senior moments, but a good time nonetheless. My gripe
was this; the guitarist was not original and walked
up with some PRS-type guitar and a newer stack of some
kind, with a collection of soulless patch tones and
shredded through every song. Now, this was the Little
Steven Garage series and the guitar back-line is all
AC30's, so there was no excuse for plugging into that
monstrosity. 
The bigger problem was that this seemed to be OK
with the band. They were smiling and flaunting this
"young buck" through the whole set as though this
would somehow connect them with the younger
generation. I was hanging out with some younger
clients of mine (ranging from 18-24) who love the
Zombies and were disgusted. Where were the scrappy
rhythmic guitar spanks that made them great? 
Granted, Rob Argent had a digital key setup, but you
try dragging around a harpsichord, marxophone, B3,
etc. to all the shows, as we all know, all too well. 
And he is Rob Argent.
I guess my question is, at what point does a band
forget what makes them cool? Yes, it sucks when a
legendary band goes through the motions to make some
bread because they got screwed out of royalties in the
60's, but then, who can blame them for that? It's an
integrity thing, which is, after all, what makes a
band great in the first place. Get as old as you like
and play as long as you like. Just don't pander to a
young audience that would rather hear you be honest
and original like you always were. 
That's my two cents.

Jack Younger 
-Gracefully growing older and still making records the
old-fashioned way. 

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MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope this all doesn't come to a head when the SPICE GIRLS come to 
town...don't think I can handle the heartbreak.






--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, "jonesalley" <jonesalley@...> 
wrote:
>
> Flying Tormatoes?
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: zappaboggs 
>   To: Mellotronists 
>   Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 10:58 AM
>   Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Middle-age meddling...
> 
> 
>   "I guess my question is, at what point does a band forget what 
makes them cool?"
> 
>   Good question...  IMO, just ask Chris Squire and mates...
> 
>   (I type this while ducking the tomatoes flying...)...  My 
favorite show in the last few years from THE era?  
> 
>   James Gang at the Beacon, NYC 2006...  Played every song 
perfect...  (Minimal jamming...  which sometimes is a good thing...)
> 
>   Tend my Hammond...
> 
> 
>   "Nothing can change the shape of things to come." 
>   ...Max Frost
> 
>   "Any talent that we are born with eventually surfaces as a need"
>   ...Marsha Sinetar
> 
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----
>   From: Jack Younger <e4103s@...>
>   To: Mellotronists <Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>
>   Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 9:05:29 AM
>   Subject: [Mellotronists] Middle-age meddling...
> 
> 
>   Here's some food for the thinkin'....
> 
>   I went to see the Zombies here in Boston MA, and
>   it was fantastic! Original members, great
>   performances, good energy and yes, there were some
>   senior moments, but a good time nonetheless. My gripe
>   was this; the guitarist was not original and walked
>   up with some PRS-type guitar and a newer stack of some
>   kind, with a collection of soulless patch tones and
>   shredded through every song. Now, this was the Little
>   Steven Garage series and the guitar back-line is all
>   AC30's, so there was no excuse for plugging into that
>   monstrosity. 
>   The bigger problem was that this seemed to be OK
>   with the band. They were smiling and flaunting this
>   "young buck" through the whole set as though this
>   would somehow connect them with the younger
>   generation. I was hanging out with some younger
>   clients of mine (ranging from 18-24) who love the
>   Zombies and were disgusted. Where were the scrappy
>   rhythmic guitar spanks that made them great? 
>   Granted, Rob Argent had a digital key setup, but you
>   try dragging around a harpsichord, marxophone, B3,
>   etc. to all the shows, as we all know, all too well. 
>   And he is Rob Argent.
>   I guess my question is, at what point does a band
>   forget what makes them cool? Yes, it sucks when a
>   legendary band goes through the motions to make some
>   bread because they got screwed out of royalties in the
>   60's, but then, who can blame them for that? It's an
>   integrity thing, which is, after all, what makes a
>   band great in the first place. Get as old as you like
>   and play as long as you like. Just don't pander to a
>   young audience that would rather hear you be honest
>   and original like you always were. 
>   That's my two cents.
> 
>   Jack Younger 
>   -Gracefully growing older and still making records the
>   old-fashioned way. 
> 
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They need to rename themselves.  I suggest they call themselves the "Spice 
Dowagers."



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From: "leetronhead" <surfbeach@...>
To: <Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 12:56 PM
Subject: [Mellotronists] Re: Middle-age meddling...


> MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> I hope this all doesn't come to a head when the SPICE GIRLS come to
> town...don't think I can handle the heartbreak.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, "jonesalley" <jonesalley@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> Flying Tormatoes?
>>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>>   From: zappaboggs
>>   To: Mellotronists
>>   Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 10:58 AM
>>   Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Middle-age meddling...
>>
>>
>>   "I guess my question is, at what point does a band forget what
> makes them cool?"
>>
>>   Good question...  IMO, just ask Chris Squire and mates...
>>
>>   (I type this while ducking the tomatoes flying...)...  My
> favorite show in the last few years from THE era?
>>
>>   James Gang at the Beacon, NYC 2006...  Played every song
> perfect...  (Minimal jamming...  which sometimes is a good thing...)
>>
>>   Tend my Hammond...
>>
>>
>>   "Nothing can change the shape of things to come."
>>   ...Max Frost
>>
>>   "Any talent that we are born with eventually surfaces as a need"
>>   ...Marsha Sinetar
>>
>>
>>
>>   ----- Original Message ----
>>   From: Jack Younger <e4103s@...>
>>   To: Mellotronists <Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>
>>   Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 9:05:29 AM
>>   Subject: [Mellotronists] Middle-age meddling...
>>
>>
>>   Here's some food for the thinkin'....
>>
>>   I went to see the Zombies here in Boston MA, and
>>   it was fantastic! Original members, great
>>   performances, good energy and yes, there were some
>>   senior moments, but a good time nonetheless. My gripe
>>   was this; the guitarist was not original and walked
>>   up with some PRS-type guitar and a newer stack of some
>>   kind, with a collection of soulless patch tones and
>>   shredded through every song. Now, this was the Little
>>   Steven Garage series and the guitar back-line is all
>>   AC30's, so there was no excuse for plugging into that
>>   monstrosity.
>>   The bigger problem was that this seemed to be OK
>>   with the band. They were smiling and flaunting this
>>   "young buck" through the whole set as though this
>>   would somehow connect them with the younger
>>   generation. I was hanging out with some younger
>>   clients of mine (ranging from 18-24) who love the
>>   Zombies and were disgusted. Where were the scrappy
>>   rhythmic guitar spanks that made them great?
>>   Granted, Rob Argent had a digital key setup, but you
>>   try dragging around a harpsichord, marxophone, B3,
>>   etc. to all the shows, as we all know, all too well.
>>   And he is Rob Argent.
>>   I guess my question is, at what point does a band
>>   forget what makes them cool? Yes, it sucks when a
>>   legendary band goes through the motions to make some
>>   bread because they got screwed out of royalties in the
>>   60's, but then, who can blame them for that? It's an
>>   integrity thing, which is, after all, what makes a
>>   band great in the first place. Get as old as you like
>>   and play as long as you like. Just don't pander to a
>>   young audience that would rather hear you be honest
>>   and original like you always were.
>>   That's my two cents.
>>
>>   Jack Younger
>>   -Gracefully growing older and still making records the
>>   old-fashioned way.
>>
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Jack,

" Original members, great performances, good energy and yes, there were  
some
> senior moments, but a good time nonetheless. Granted, Rob Argent had a  
> digital key setup, but you
> try dragging around a harpsichord, marxophone, B3,
> etc. to all the shows, as we all know, all too well.
> And he is Rob Argent."

Rob, the senior moment is all yours this time......"Rob Argent".

Regards,
Ed




On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 06:05:29 -0700 (PDT), Jack Younger <e4103s@...>  
wrote:

> Here's some food for the thinkin'....
>
>      I went to see the Zombies here in Boston MA, and
> it was fantastic!  Original members, great
> performances, good energy and yes, there were some
> senior moments, but a good time nonetheless.  My gripe
> was this;  the guitarist was not original and walked
> up with some PRS-type guitar and a newer stack of some
> kind, with a collection of soulless patch tones and
> shredded through every song.  Now, this was the Little
> Steven Garage series and the guitar back-line is all
> AC30's, so there was no excuse for plugging into that
> monstrosity.
>     The bigger problem was that this seemed to be OK
> with the band.  They were smiling and flaunting this
> "young buck" through the whole set as though this
> would somehow connect them with the younger
> generation.  I was hanging out with some younger
> clients of mine (ranging from 18-24) who love the
> Zombies and were disgusted.  Where were the scrappy
> rhythmic guitar spanks that made them great?
> Granted, Rob Argent had a digital key setup, but you
> try dragging around a harpsichord, marxophone, B3,
> etc. to all the shows, as we all know, all too well.
> And he is Rob Argent.
>      I guess my question is, at what point does a band
> forget what makes them cool?  Yes, it sucks when a
> legendary band goes through the motions to make some
> bread because they got screwed out of royalties in the
> 60's, but then, who can blame them for that?  It's an
> integrity thing, which is, after all, what makes a
> band great in the first place.  Get as old as you like
> and play as long as you like.  Just don't pander to a
> young audience that would rather hear you be honest
> and original like you always were.
>      That's my two cents.
>
> Jack Younger
> -Gracefully growing older and still making records the
> old-fashioned way.
>
>
>
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Hi, all-
   I couldn't help but add this observation.  I saw
the Moodies in the early 1980's at Red Rocks (w/Moraz,
pre-orchestra).  It struck me then that the boys were
just going thru the motions, as the performance of the
old stuff had the same "flavorings" as on "Caught Live
+5"(1969).  The vocals were off-key, strident, and the
falsettos made you cringe.  Did they ever listen to
themselves live?  A few vocal-coaching lessons
would've done wonders.  Granted, this was before vocal
pitch-correction boxes, but I heard much better vocals
from other live groups in those years.  I, too, love
the Moodies, but studio production had a lot to do
with their sound, it seems.

   -Bruce Daily
   M400#1221

--- jonesalley <jonesalley@...> wrote:

> I hope nobody is trying to make the point that the
> present-day Moody Blues suck because they are old. 
> I know I'm certainly not trying to claim that.  My
> beef is that they suck now because they are largely
> just going through the motions, they've lost the
> creative spark and they are just trudging down
> well-worn paths show after show and collecting the
> paychecks.  I keep expecting to see them check their
> watches.  When it becomes so obviously a job instead
> of a career, it's really disappointing to watch. 



       
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Wasn't it their first tour after quite a long hiatus? I saw them a
couple of times after Red Rock and their vocals were right on. Maybe
they were still warming up to performing live again?

Bernie


--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, all-
> I couldn't help but add this observation. I saw
> the Moodies in the early 1980's at Red Rocks (w/Moraz,
> pre-orchestra). It struck me then that the boys were
> just going thru the motions, as the performance of the
> old stuff had the same "flavorings" as on "Caught Live
> +5"(1969). The vocals were off-key, strident, and the
> falsettos made you cringe. Did they ever listen to
> themselves live? A few vocal-coaching lessons
> would've done wonders. Granted, this was before vocal
> pitch-correction boxes, but I heard much better vocals
> from other live groups in those years. I, too, love
> the Moodies, but studio production had a lot to do
> with their sound, it seems.
>
> -Bruce Daily
> M400#1221
>
> --- jonesalley jonesalley@... wrote:
>
> > I hope nobody is trying to make the point that the
> > present-day Moody Blues suck because they are old.
> > I know I'm certainly not trying to claim that. My
> > beef is that they suck now because they are largely
> > just going through the motions, they've lost the
> > creative spark and they are just trudging down
> > well-worn paths show after show and collecting the
> > paychecks. I keep expecting to see them check their
> > watches. When it becomes so obviously a job instead
> > of a career, it's really disappointing to watch.
>
>
>
>
>
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----- Original Message ----
From: jonesalley <jonesalley@...>
To: Mellotronists <Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 1:15:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Middle-age meddling...

Flying Tormatoes?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: zappaboggs 
To: Mellotronists 
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Middle-age meddling...


"I guess my question is, at what point does a band forget what makes them cool?"
 
Good question...  IMO, just ask Chris Squire and mates...
 
(I type this while ducking the tomatoes flying...).. .  My favorite show in the last few years from THE era?  
 
James Gang at the Beacon, NYC 2006...  Played every song perfect...  (Minimal jamming...  which sometimes is a good thing...)
 
Tend my Hammond...
 
 
"Nothing can change the shape of things to come." 
...Max Frost
 
"Any talent that we are born with eventually surfaces as a need"
...Marsha Sinetar



----- Original Message ----
From: Jack Younger <e4103s@yahoo. com>
To: Mellotronists <Mellotronists@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 9:05:29 AM
Subject: [Mellotronists] Middle-age meddling...


Here's some food for the thinkin'....

I went to see the Zombies here in Boston MA, and
it was fantastic! Original members, great
performances, good energy and yes, there were some
senior moments, but a good time nonetheless. My gripe
was this; the guitarist was not original and walked
up with some PRS-type guitar and a newer stack of some
kind, with a collection of soulless patch tones and
shredded through every song. Now, this was the Little
Steven Garage series and the guitar back-line is all
AC30's, so there was no excuse for plugging into that
monstrosity. 
The bigger problem was that this seemed to be OK
with the band. They were smiling and flaunting this
"young buck" through the whole set as though this
would somehow connect them with the younger
generation. I was hanging out with some younger
clients of mine (ranging from 18-24) who love the
Zombies and were disgusted. Where were the scrappy
rhythmic guitar spanks that made them great? 
Granted, Rob Argent had a digital key setup, but you
try dragging around a harpsichord, marxophone, B3,
etc. to all the shows, as we all know, all too well. 
And he is Rob Argent.
I guess my question is, at what point does a band
forget what makes them cool? Yes, it sucks when a
legendary band goes through the motions to make some
bread because they got screwed out of royalties in the
60's, but then, who can blame them for that? It's an
integrity thing, which is, after all, what makes a
band great in the first place. Get as old as you like
and play as long as you like. Just don't pander to a
young audience that would rather hear you be honest
and original like you always were. 
That's my two cents.

Jack Younger 
-Gracefully growing older and still making records the
old-fashioned way. 

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That's what rehearsals are for.  I don't think it's right to go out  
on tour and playing to paying audiences if the music is  
embarrassing.  Age has nothing to do with it--any entertainer/ 
performer should know when their own performance does meet certain  
standards.

That being said, what's "good" to someone can be "bad" to someone  
else.  Ear of the beholder, etc...

-ja

On Jul 28, 2007, at 4:34 PM, Bernie wrote:

>
> Wasn't it their first tour after quite a long hiatus? I saw them a
> couple of times after Red Rock and their vocals were right on. Maybe
> they were still warming up to performing live again?
>
> Bernie
>
>
> --- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@...>  
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, all-
>> I couldn't help but add this observation. I saw
>> the Moodies in the early 1980's at Red Rocks (w/Moraz,
>> pre-orchestra). It struck me then that the boys were
>> just going thru the motions, as the performance of the
>> old stuff had the same "flavorings" as on "Caught Live
>> +5"(1969). The vocals were off-key, strident, and the
>> falsettos made you cringe. Did they ever listen to
>> themselves live? A few vocal-coaching lessons
>> would've done wonders. Granted, this was before vocal
>> pitch-correction boxes, but I heard much better vocals
>> from other live groups in those years. I, too, love
>> the Moodies, but studio production had a lot to do
>> with their sound, it seems.
>>
>> -Bruce Daily
>> M400#1221
>>
>> --- jonesalley jonesalley@... wrote:
>>
>>> I hope nobody is trying to make the point that the
>>> present-day Moody Blues suck because they are old.
>>> I know I'm certainly not trying to claim that. My
>>> beef is that they suck now because they are largely
>>> just going through the motions, they've lost the
>>> creative spark and they are just trudging down
>>> well-worn paths show after show and collecting the
>>> paychecks. I keep expecting to see them check their
>>> watches. When it becomes so obviously a job instead
>>> of a career, it's really disappointing to watch.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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That's what rehearsals are for. I don't think it's right to go out
on tour and playing to paying audiences if the music is
embarrassing. Age has nothing to do with it--any entertainer/
performer should know when their own performance does meet certain
standards.

That being said, what's "good" to someone can be "bad" to someone
else. Ear of the beholder, etc...

-ja

On Jul 28, 2007, at 4:34 PM, Bernie wrote:

>
> Wasn't it their first tour after quite a long hiatus? I saw them a
> couple of times after Red Rock and their vocals were right on. Maybe
> they were still warming up to performing live again?
>
> Bernie
>
>
> --- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Daily .>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, all-
>> I couldn't help but add this observation. I saw
>> the Moodies in the early 1980's at Red Rocks (w/Moraz,
>> pre-orchestra). It struck me then that the boys were
>> just going thru the motions, as the performance of the
>> old stuff had the same "flavorings" as on "Caught Live
>> +5"(1969). The vocals were off-key, strident, and the
>> falsettos made you cringe. Did they ever listen to
>> themselves live? A few vocal-coaching lessons
>> would've done wonders. Granted, this was before vocal
>> pitch-correction boxes, but I heard much better vocals
>> from other live groups in those years. I, too, love
>> the Moodies, but studio production had a lot to do
>> with their sound, it seems.
>>
>> -Bruce Daily
>> M400#1221
>>
>> --- jonesalley jonesalley@... wrote:
>>
>>> I hope nobody is trying to make the point that the
>>> present-day Moody Blues suck because they are old.
>>> I know I'm certainly not trying to claim that. My
>>> beef is that they suck now because they are largely
>>> just going through the motions, they've lost the
>>> creative spark and they are just trudging down
>>> well-worn paths show after show and collecting the
>>> paychecks. I keep expecting to see them check their
>>> watches. When it becomes so obviously a job instead
>>> of a career, it's really disappointing to watch.
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> That being said, what's "good" to someone can be "bad" to someone  
> else.  Ear of the beholder, etc...

Or just "Ear of Beholder", the Lol Coxhill album containing "A
Collection of Superbly Played Mellotron Codas".

Jim Bailey

Yes, dear me, the senior/dyslexic moment is mine.  It
is indeed ROD Argent.  
-Jack

--- Edward Bartholomey <bartholomey@...>
wrote:

> Jack,
> 
> " Original members, great performances, good energy
> and yes, there were  
> some
> > senior moments, but a good time nonetheless.
> Granted, Rob Argent had a  
> > digital key setup, but you
> > try dragging around a harpsichord, marxophone, B3,
> > etc. to all the shows, as we all know, all too
> well.
> > And he is Rob Argent."
> 
> Rob, the senior moment is all yours this
> time......"Rob Argent".
> 
> Regards,
> Ed
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 06:05:29 -0700 (PDT), Jack
> Younger <e4103s@...>  
> wrote:
> 
> > Here's some food for the thinkin'....
> >
> >      I went to see the Zombies here in Boston MA,
> and
> > it was fantastic!  Original members, great
> > performances, good energy and yes, there were some
> > senior moments, but a good time nonetheless.  My
> gripe
> > was this;  the guitarist was not original and
> walked
> > up with some PRS-type guitar and a newer stack of
> some
> > kind, with a collection of soulless patch tones
> and
> > shredded through every song.  Now, this was the
> Little
> > Steven Garage series and the guitar back-line is
> all
> > AC30's, so there was no excuse for plugging into
> that
> > monstrosity.
> >     The bigger problem was that this seemed to be
> OK
> > with the band.  They were smiling and flaunting
> this
> > "young buck" through the whole set as though this
> > would somehow connect them with the younger
> > generation.  I was hanging out with some younger
> > clients of mine (ranging from 18-24) who love the
> > Zombies and were disgusted.  Where were the
> scrappy
> > rhythmic guitar spanks that made them great?
> > Granted, Rob Argent had a digital key setup, but
> you
> > try dragging around a harpsichord, marxophone, B3,
> > etc. to all the shows, as we all know, all too
> well.
> > And he is Rob Argent.
> >      I guess my question is, at what point does a
> band
> > forget what makes them cool?  Yes, it sucks when a
> > legendary band goes through the motions to make
> some
> > bread because they got screwed out of royalties in
> the
> > 60's, but then, who can blame them for that?  It's
> an
> > integrity thing, which is, after all, what makes a
> > band great in the first place.  Get as old as you
> like
> > and play as long as you like.  Just don't pander
> to a
> > young audience that would rather hear you be
> honest
> > and original like you always were.
> >      That's my two cents.
> >
> > Jack Younger
> > -Gracefully growing older and still making records
> the
> > old-fashioned way.
> >
> >
> >
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Bowie to be capable of a continued originality and
innovation.  Arguably, he's been doing it every few
albums.  But that's a good question...
Artists get caught up in everything from trying to
stay ahead of trends, new technology, drug
abuse/recovery, child-bearing/rearing,
marriage/divorce, financial obligations, quality of
living, etc..  There's a whole lot of influences
pushing us around as we get older.  It's easy to get
addled.
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--- Mark Pring <mellotronmadness@...> wrote:

> Looking back over the bands that I enjoyed listening
> to when I was a lad, it strikes me that none of them
> are producing anything really new. Some are dead, so
> I suppose  they can't help it. Others are producing
> new material which I enjoy listening to but not a
> major musical change, just more of the same . A few
> do very good if not better live performances than
> when they were young but the material is often old. 
> 
> It has been said that most song writers don't
> produce much new material after the age of 40 (
> ?30), can anyone think of any performers from the
> 60s and 70s who are still excitingly creative?
> 
> Mark
> 
> Jim Anderson <jimanderson@...> wrote:           
>                       That's what rehearsals are
> for.  I don't think it's right to go out  
>  on tour and playing to paying audiences if the
> music is  
>  embarrassing.  Age has nothing to do with it--any
> entertainer/ 
>  performer should know when their own performance
> does meet certain  
>  standards.
>  
>  That being said, what's "good" to someone can be
> "bad" to someone  
>  else.  Ear of the beholder, etc...
>  
>  -ja
>  
>  On Jul 28, 2007, at 4:34 PM, Bernie wrote:
>  
>  >
>  > Wasn't it their first tour after quite a long
> hiatus? I saw them a
>  > couple of times after Red Rock and their vocals
> were right on. Maybe
>  > they were still warming up to performing live
> again?
>  >
>  > Bernie
>  >
>  >
>  > --- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Daily
> <pocotron@...>  
>  > wrote:
>  >>
>  >> Hi, all-
>  >> I couldn't help but add this observation. I saw
>  >> the Moodies in the early 1980's at Red Rocks
> (w/Moraz,
>  >> pre-orchestra). It struck me then that the boys
> were
>  >> just going thru the motions, as the performance
> of the
>  >> old stuff had the same "flavorings" as on
> "Caught Live
>  >> +5"(1969). The vocals were off-key, strident,
> and the
>  >> falsettos made you cringe. Did they ever listen
> to
>  >> themselves live? A few vocal-coaching lessons
>  >> would've done wonders. Granted, this was before
> vocal
>  >> pitch-correction boxes, but I heard much better
> vocals
>  >> from other live groups in those years. I, too,
> love
>  >> the Moodies, but studio production had a lot to
> do
>  >> with their sound, it seems.
>  >>
>  >> -Bruce Daily
>  >> M400#1221
>  >>
>  >> --- jonesalley jonesalley@... wrote:
>  >>
>  >>> I hope nobody is trying to make the point that
> the
>  >>> present-day Moody Blues suck because they are
> old.
>  >>> I know I'm certainly not trying to claim that.
> My
>  >>> beef is that they suck now because they are
> largely
>  >>> just going through the motions, they've lost
> the
>  >>> creative spark and they are just trudging down
>  >>> well-worn paths show after show and collecting
> the
>  >>> paychecks. I keep expecting to see them check
> their
>  >>> watches. When it becomes so obviously a job
> instead
>  >>> of a career, it's really disappointing to
> watch.
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----- Original Message ----
From: Mark Pring <mellotronmadness@yahoo.com.au>
To: mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 2:17:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Re: Moodies?









  


    
            Looking back over the bands that I enjoyed listening to when I was a lad, it strikes me that none of them are producing anything really new. Some are dead, so I suppose  they can't help it. Others are producing new material which I enjoy listening to but not a major musical change, just more of the same . A few do very good if not better live performances than when they were young but the material is often old. 

It has been said that most song writers don't produce much new material after the age of 40 ( ?30), can anyone think of any performers from the 60s and 70s who are still excitingly creative?

Mark

Jim Anderson <jimanderson@ mac.com> wrote:
                             That's what rehearsals are for.  I don't think it's right to go out  
 on tour and playing to paying audiences if the music is  
 embarrassing.  Age has nothing to do with it--any entertainer/ 
 performer should know when their own performance does meet certain  
 standards.
 
 That being said, what's "good" to someone can be "bad" to someone  
 else.  Ear of the beholder, etc...
 
 -ja
 
 On Jul 28, 2007, at 4:34 PM, Bernie wrote:
 
 >
 > Wasn't it their first tour after quite a long hiatus? I saw them a
 > couple of times after Red Rock and their vocals were right on. Maybe
 > they were still warming up to performing live again?
 >
 > Bernie
 >
 >
 > --- In Mellotronists@ yahoogroups. com,
 Bruce Daily <pocotron@.. .>  
 > wrote:
 >>
 >> Hi, all-
 >> I couldn't help but add this observation. I saw
 >> the Moodies in the early 1980's at Red Rocks (w/Moraz,
 >> pre-orchestra) . It struck me then that the boys were
 >> just going thru the motions, as the performance of the
 >> old stuff had the same "flavorings" as on "Caught Live
 >> +5"(1969). The vocals were off-key, strident, and the
 >> falsettos made you cringe. Did they ever listen to
 >> themselves live? A few vocal-coaching lessons
 >> would've done wonders. Granted, this was before vocal
 >> pitch-correction boxes, but I heard much better vocals
 >> from other live groups in those years. I, too, love
 >> the Moodies, but studio production had a lot to do
 >> with their sound, it seems.
 >>
 >> -Bruce Daily
 >> M400#1221

 >>
 >> --- jonesalley jonesalley@. .. wrote:
 >>
 >>> I hope nobody is trying to make the point that the
 >>> present-day Moody Blues suck because they are old.
 >>> I know I'm certainly not trying to claim that. My
 >>> beef is that they suck now because they are largely
 >>> just going through the motions, they've lost the
 >>> creative spark and they are just trudging down
 >>> well-worn paths show after show and collecting the
 >>> paychecks. I keep expecting to see them check their
 >>> watches. When it becomes so obviously a job instead
 >>> of a career, it's really disappointing to watch.
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
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> From: Mark Pring <mellotronmadness@...>
> To: mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 2:17:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Re: Moodies?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
>     
>             Looking back over the bands that I
> enjoyed listening to when I was a lad, it strikes me
> that none of them are producing anything really new.
> Some are dead, so I suppose  they can't help it.
> Others are producing new material which I enjoy
> listening to but not a major musical change, just
> more of the same . A few do very good if not better
> live performances than when they were young but the
> material is often old. 
> 
> It has been said that most song writers don't
> produce much new material after the age of 40 (
> ?30), can anyone think of any performers from the
> 60s and 70s who are still excitingly creative?
> 
> Mark
> 
> Jim Anderson <jimanderson@ mac.com> wrote:
>                              That's what rehearsals
> are for.  I don't think it's right to go out  
>  on tour and playing to paying audiences if the
> music is  
>  embarrassing.  Age has nothing to do with it--any
> entertainer/ 
>  performer should know when their own performance
> does meet certain  
>  standards.
>  
>  That being said, what's "good" to someone can be
> "bad" to someone  
>  else.  Ear of the beholder, etc...
>  
>  -ja
>  
>  On Jul 28, 2007, at 4:34 PM, Bernie wrote:
>  
>  >
>  > Wasn't it their first tour after quite a long
> hiatus? I saw them a
>  > couple of times after Red Rock and their vocals
> were right on. Maybe
>  > they were still warming up to performing live
> again?
>  >
>  > Bernie
>  >
>  >
>  > --- In Mellotronists@ yahoogroups. com,
>  Bruce Daily <pocotron@.. .>  
>  > wrote:
>  >>
>  >> Hi, all-
>  >> I couldn't help but add this observation. I saw
>  >> the Moodies in the early 1980's at Red Rocks
> (w/Moraz,
>  >> pre-orchestra) . It struck me then that the boys
> were
>  >> just going thru the motions, as the performance
> of the
>  >> old stuff had the same "flavorings" as on
> "Caught Live
>  >> +5"(1969). The vocals were off-key, strident,
> and the
>  >> falsettos made you cringe. Did they ever listen
> to
>  >> themselves live? A few vocal-coaching lessons
>  >> would've done wonders. Granted, this was before
> vocal
>  >> pitch-correction boxes, but I heard much better
> vocals
>  >> from other live groups in those years. I, too,
> love
>  >> the Moodies, but studio production had a lot to
> do
>  >> with their sound, it seems.
>  >>
>  >> -Bruce Daily
>  >> M400#1221
> 
>  >>
>  >> --- jonesalley jonesalley@. .. wrote:
>  >>
>  >>> I hope nobody is trying to make the point that
> the
>  >>> present-day Moody Blues suck because they are
> old.
>  >>> I know I'm certainly not trying to claim that.
> My
>  >>> beef is that they suck now because they are
> largely
>  >>> just going through the motions, they've lost
> the
>  >>> creative spark and they are just trudging down
>  >>> well-worn paths show after show and collecting
> the
>  >>> paychecks. I keep expecting to see them check
> their
>  >>> watches. When it becomes so obviously a job
> instead
>  >>> of a career, it's really disappointing to
> watch.
>  >>
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>From: Jack Younger <e4103s@...>
>To: Michael Reina <lampvalley@...>,  Mark Pring 
><mellotronmadness@...>, mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Re: Moodies?
>Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 10:46:28 -0700 (PDT)
>
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> >
> > eno.
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Mark Pring <mellotronmadness@...>
> > To: mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 2:17:49 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Re: Moodies?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >             Looking back over the bands that I
> > enjoyed listening to when I was a lad, it strikes me
> > that none of them are producing anything really new.
> > Some are dead, so I suppose  they can't help it.
> > Others are producing new material which I enjoy
> > listening to but not a major musical change, just
> > more of the same . A few do very good if not better
> > live performances than when they were young but the
> > material is often old.
> >
> > It has been said that most song writers don't
> > produce much new material after the age of 40 (
> > ?30), can anyone think of any performers from the
> > 60s and 70s who are still excitingly creative?
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > Jim Anderson <jimanderson@ mac.com> wrote:
> >                              That's what rehearsals
> > are for.  I don't think it's right to go out
> >  on tour and playing to paying audiences if the
> > music is
> >  embarrassing.  Age has nothing to do with it--any
> > entertainer/
> >  performer should know when their own performance
> > does meet certain
> >  standards.
> >
> >  That being said, what's "good" to someone can be
> > "bad" to someone
> >  else.  Ear of the beholder, etc...
> >
> >  -ja
> >
> >  On Jul 28, 2007, at 4:34 PM, Bernie wrote:
> >
> >  >
> >  > Wasn't it their first tour after quite a long
> > hiatus? I saw them a
> >  > couple of times after Red Rock and their vocals
> > were right on. Maybe
> >  > they were still warming up to performing live
> > again?
> >  >
> >  > Bernie
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > --- In Mellotronists@ yahoogroups. com,
> >  Bruce Daily <pocotron@.. .>
> >  > wrote:
> >  >>
> >  >> Hi, all-
> >  >> I couldn't help but add this observation. I saw
> >  >> the Moodies in the early 1980's at Red Rocks
> > (w/Moraz,
> >  >> pre-orchestra) . It struck me then that the boys
> > were
> >  >> just going thru the motions, as the performance
> > of the
> >  >> old stuff had the same "flavorings" as on
> > "Caught Live
> >  >> +5"(1969). The vocals were off-key, strident,
> > and the
> >  >> falsettos made you cringe. Did they ever listen
> > to
> >  >> themselves live? A few vocal-coaching lessons
> >  >> would've done wonders. Granted, this was before
> > vocal
> >  >> pitch-correction boxes, but I heard much better
> > vocals
> >  >> from other live groups in those years. I, too,
> > love
> >  >> the Moodies, but studio production had a lot to
> > do
> >  >> with their sound, it seems.
> >  >>
> >  >> -Bruce Daily
> >  >> M400#1221
> >
> >  >>
> >  >> --- jonesalley jonesalley@. .. wrote:
> >  >>
> >  >>> I hope nobody is trying to make the point that
> > the
> >  >>> present-day Moody Blues suck because they are
> > old.
> >  >>> I know I'm certainly not trying to claim that.
> > My
> >  >>> beef is that they suck now because they are
> > largely
> >  >>> just going through the motions, they've lost
> > the
> >  >>> creative spark and they are just trudging down
> >  >>> well-worn paths show after show and collecting
> > the
> >  >>> paychecks. I keep expecting to see them check
> > their
> >  >>> watches. When it becomes so obviously a job
> > instead
> >  >>> of a career, it's really disappointing to
> > watch.
> >  >>
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--- jonesalley <jonesalley@...> wrote:

> Flying Tormatoes?
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: zappaboggs 
>   To: Mellotronists 
>   Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 10:58 AM
>   Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Middle-age
> meddling...
> 
> 
>   "I guess my question is, at what point does a band
> forget what makes them cool?"
> 
>   Good question...  IMO, just ask Chris Squire and
> mates...
> 
>   (I type this while ducking the tomatoes
> flying...)...  My favorite show in the last few
> years from THE era?  
> 
>   James Gang at the Beacon, NYC 2006...  Played
> every song perfect...  (Minimal jamming...  which
> sometimes is a good thing...)
> 
>   Tend my Hammond...
> 
 
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----
>   From: Jack Younger <e4103s@...>
>   To: Mellotronists <Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>
>   Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 9:05:29 AM
>   Subject: [Mellotronists] Middle-age meddling...
> 
> 
>   Here's some food for the thinkin'....
> 
>   I went to see the Zombies here in Boston MA, and
>   it was fantastic! Original members, great
>   performances, good energy and yes, there were some
>   senior moments, but a good time nonetheless. My
> gripe
>   was this; the guitarist was not original and
> walked
>   up with some PRS-type guitar and a newer stack of
> some
>   kind, with a collection of soulless patch tones
> and
>   shredded through every song. Now, this was the
> Little
>   Steven Garage series and the guitar back-line is
> all
>   AC30's, so there was no excuse for plugging into
> that
>   monstrosity. 
>   The bigger problem was that this seemed to be OK
>   with the band. They were smiling and flaunting
> this
>   "young buck" through the whole set as though this
>   would somehow connect them with the younger
>   generation. I was hanging out with some younger
>   clients of mine (ranging from 18-24) who love the
>   Zombies and were disgusted. Where were the scrappy
>   rhythmic guitar spanks that made them great? 
>   Granted, Rob Argent had a digital key setup, but
> you
>   try dragging around a harpsichord, marxophone, B3,
>   etc. to all the shows, as we all know, all too
> well. 
>   And he is Rob Argent.
>   I guess my question is, at what point does a band
>   forget what makes them cool? Yes, it sucks when a
>   legendary band goes through the motions to make
> some
>   bread because they got screwed out of royalties in
> the
>   60's, but then, who can blame them for that? It's
> an
>   integrity thing, which is, after all, what makes a
>   band great in the first place. Get as old as you
> like
>   and play as long as you like. Just don't pander to
> a
>   young audience that would rather hear you be
> honest
>   and original like you always were. 
>   That's my two cents.
> 
>   Jack Younger 
>   -Gracefully growing older and still making records
> the
>   old-fashioned way. 
> 



       
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But even in the old days the Moodies had a tough time replicating their
vocals live. But the Beatles had the same problem. They were wise enough to
stop performing live when they realized that they could not do justice to
their songs.

 

But you have to hand it to the Moodies. They did a great job back then.
especially when you consider that there were no stage monitors.

 

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From: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of John McIntyre
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 3:30 PM
Cc: Mellotronists
Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Moodies?

 

My apologies, I am trying to respond to Bruce Daily's message about the 
Moody Blues, but there is some interaction between Yahoogroups mailings 
and my Thunderbird e-mail program that makes editing the prior message 
impossible. Any helpful hints would be appreciated.

Anyway, Bruce said he had seen the Moody Blues in the Patrick Moraz era 
and that the vocals, especially the falsettos, were painful. He asked 
if they ever listened to themselves live. The answer is apparently they 
did as they now utilize female backing vocalists to hit the high notes.

Yeah, they could have sampled the old vocals onto tape and then played 
them back through a Mellotron, but the women look better. (-8

John McIntyre
mcintyre@pa. <mailto:mcintyre%40pa.msu.edu> msu.edu

How about Pink Floyd. Paul McCartney. Deep Purple. 

 

Well, maybe not..

 

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From: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of John McIntyre
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 3:44 PM
Cc: mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Re: Moodies?

 

Mark Pring asked for nominations of performers from the sixties who are 
still creating good new material.

My apologies, I am trying to respond to Bruce Daily's message about the 
Moody Blues, but there is some interaction between Yahoogroups mailings 
and my Thunderbird e-mail program that makes editing the prior message 
impossible.  Any helpful hints would be appreciated.

Anyway, Bruce said he had seen the Moody Blues in the Patrick Moraz era 
and that the vocals, especially the falsettos, were painful.  He asked 
if they ever listened to themselves live.  The answer is apparently they 
did as they now utilize female backing vocalists to hit the high notes.

Yeah, they could have sampled the old vocals onto tape and then played 
them back through a Mellotron, but the women look better. (-8

John McIntyre
mcintyre@...

Mark Pring asked for nominations of performers from the sixties who are 
still creating good new material.

I have to nominate Eric Andersen, although my case is not helped by the 
fact that his last couple albums are covers of songs from the sixties. 

Eliott Murphy comes close.   I doubt he has another "Diamonds By The 
Yard" in him, but each new album does make me reconsider the box set I 
would compile given the opportunity.  That is not a test the Moody Blues 
pass, alas.

John McIntyre
mcintyre@...

Mark Pring asked for nominations of performers from the sixties who are
still creating good new material.

I have to nominate Eric Andersen, although my case is not helped by the
fact that his last couple albums are covers of songs from the sixties.

Eliott Murphy comes close. I doubt he has another "Diamonds By The
Yard" in him, but each new album does make me reconsider the box set I
would compile given the opportunity. That is not a test the Moody Blues
pass, alas.

John McIntyre
mcintyre@pa.msu.edu

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--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@...> 
wrote:
>
> Holy Birotrons, Batman!!  ...er, Wakeman!!
> 
> 
> --- jonesalley <jonesalley@...> wrote:
> 
> > Flying Tormatoes?
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: zappaboggs 
> >   To: Mellotronists 
> >   Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 10:58 AM
> >   Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Middle-age
> > meddling...
> > 
> > 
> >   "I guess my question is, at what point does a band
> > forget what makes them cool?"
> > 
> >   Good question...  IMO, just ask Chris Squire and
> > mates...
> > 
> >   (I type this while ducking the tomatoes
> > flying...)...  My favorite show in the last few
> > years from THE era?  
> > 
> >   James Gang at the Beacon, NYC 2006...  Played
> > every song perfect...  (Minimal jamming...  which
> > sometimes is a good thing...)
> > 
> >   Tend my Hammond...
> > 
>  
> > 
> > 
> >   ----- Original Message ----
> >   From: Jack Younger <e4103s@...>
> >   To: Mellotronists <Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>
> >   Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 9:05:29 AM
> >   Subject: [Mellotronists] Middle-age meddling...
> > 
> > 
> >   Here's some food for the thinkin'....
> > 
> >   I went to see the Zombies here in Boston MA, and
> >   it was fantastic! Original members, great
> >   performances, good energy and yes, there were some
> >   senior moments, but a good time nonetheless. My
> > gripe
> >   was this; the guitarist was not original and
> > walked
> >   up with some PRS-type guitar and a newer stack of
> > some
> >   kind, with a collection of soulless patch tones
> > and
> >   shredded through every song. Now, this was the
> > Little
> >   Steven Garage series and the guitar back-line is
> > all
> >   AC30's, so there was no excuse for plugging into
> > that
> >   monstrosity. 
> >   The bigger problem was that this seemed to be OK
> >   with the band. They were smiling and flaunting
> > this
> >   "young buck" through the whole set as though this
> >   would somehow connect them with the younger
> >   generation. I was hanging out with some younger
> >   clients of mine (ranging from 18-24) who love the
> >   Zombies and were disgusted. Where were the scrappy
> >   rhythmic guitar spanks that made them great? 
> >   Granted, Rob Argent had a digital key setup, but
> > you
> >   try dragging around a harpsichord, marxophone, B3,
> >   etc. to all the shows, as we all know, all too
> > well. 
> >   And he is Rob Argent.
> >   I guess my question is, at what point does a band
> >   forget what makes them cool? Yes, it sucks when a
> >   legendary band goes through the motions to make
> > some
> >   bread because they got screwed out of royalties in
> > the
> >   60's, but then, who can blame them for that? It's
> > an
> >   integrity thing, which is, after all, what makes a
> >   band great in the first place. Get as old as you
> > like
> >   and play as long as you like. Just don't pander to
> > a
> >   young audience that would rather hear you be
> > honest
> >   and original like you always were. 
> >   That's my two cents.
> > 
> >   Jack Younger 
> >   -Gracefully growing older and still making records
> > the
> >   old-fashioned way. 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
>        
> 
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I have to include acoustic Strawbs.? At their San Diego gig, all the harmonies by Mssrs. Cousins, Cronk, and Lambert were very much intact.? An excellent show!

Frank 1

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Pring <mellotronmadness@...>
To: John McIntyre <mcintyre@...>; mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 4:10 pm
Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Re: Moodies?






I suppose mine would be Richard Thompson, still producing? new songs although I don't think his style has changed much in recent years but his latest Album Sweet Warrior has some pretty good songs. 

Colosseum aren't producing much new but I believe they are still pretty good live.

Woolly Wolstenholme, well, One drop in a dry world was wonderful, Grim a curate's egg, waiting for Caterwauling ( Where does he get these titles from?), but again no a big leap from his older stuff.

The Mcgarrigle Sisters, I like them but they send my family screaming from the room.


Trees -cut down

King Crimson gave up after Disciplie

Jimi Hendrix
Sandy Denny
Nick Drake 
The Beatles
all dead alas

Fairport Convention
The Rolling Stones
Partly James Harvests
Pentangle ?

Might as well be

Mark


John McIntyre <mcintyre@...> wrote:



Mark Pring asked for nominations of performers from the sixties who are 
still creating good new material.

I have to nominate Eric Andersen, although my case is not helped by the 
fact that his last couple albums are covers of songs from the sixties. 

Eliott Murphy comes close. I doubt he has another "Diamonds By The 
Yard" in him, but each new album does make me reconsider the box set I 
would compile given the opportunity. That is not a test the Moody Blues 
pass, alas.

John McIntyre
mcintyre@...






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On Sun, 29 Jul 2007, Michael Reina wrote:

>
> eno.



eh.
i don't really think the word "excitingly" applies.
filling a gallery with the equivilent of dozens of screensavers
is not what i consider "exciting". YMMV however.

interesting?
possibly.
exciting?
hardly.

...jeff

> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Mark Pring <mellotronmadness@...>
> To: mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 2:17:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Re: Moodies?
>
>             Looking back over the bands that I enjoyed listening to when
>             I was a lad, it strikes me that none of them are producing
>             anything really new. Some are dead, so I suppose they can't
>             help it. Others are producing new material which I enjoy
>             listening to but not a major musical change, just more of
>             the same . A few do very good if not better live
>             performances than when they were young but the material is
>             often old.
>
> It has been said that most song writers don't produce much new material
> after the age of 40 ( ?30), can anyone think of any performers from the
> 60s and 70s who are still excitingly creative?
>
> Mark

the first tour after the hiatus was in 1978 (for the Octave album). i 
saw the show (and the Long Distance Voyager show the following tour) 
and it seemed to me that they were playing all the older stuff really 
fast as if they wanted to get as many tunes into the setlist as 
humanly possible. after those two performances, i never went to see 
them again. and i LOVE the classic seven albums but live...they just 
didn't cut it for me.

Steve

--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, "Bernie" <kornowicz@...> wrote:

>
> 
> Wasn't it their first tour after quite a long hiatus? I saw them a
> couple of times after Red Rock and their vocals were right on. Maybe
> they were still warming up to performing live again?
> 
> Bernie
>