Mellotronists

Hi:

I have been recording a song with 6 mellotron violin tracks (three
pairs of mellotron-violins so I can sustain a note on some parts). The
final result is that I get a very audible flanger effect on some parts
that weren't intended to be there. I am using very little effect, just
some very LIGHT reverb from a "Holy grail" reverb pedal I use with
guitars, organs, flute etc with very nice results.

Im using a Yamaha AW16G for recording the tracks. You can hear it in
www.myspace.com/ignacioNieto (it's called "la muerte de la
inocencia"). Any idea of how can I get rid of that flanger effect?

Thanks.

Nacho.

It's comb filtering caused by out of phase identical
tracks...probably because of a summed reverb channel.
Try separating them with panning and don't bus the
multiple channels to the same reverb program.
--- Ignacio <ignacionietocarvajal@...> wrote:

> Hi:
>
> I have been recording a song with 6 mellotron violin
> tracks (three
> pairs of mellotron-violins so I can sustain a note
> on some parts). The
> final result is that I get a very audible flanger
> effect on some parts
> that weren't intended to be there. I am using very
> little effect, just
> some very LIGHT reverb from a "Holy grail" reverb
> pedal I use with
> guitars, organs, flute etc with very nice results.
>
> Im using a Yamaha AW16G for recording the tracks.
> You can hear it in
> www.myspace.com/ignacioNieto (it's called "la muerte
> de la
> inocencia"). Any idea of how can I get rid of that
> flanger effect?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Nacho.
>
>

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Hi Mark, Thanks for answering.

I suppose I'd have to overdub the track. I can't separate the violins'
panning because when keeping the sustained note it will be obvious that
each violin (if panned right-left) stops after 8 seconds.

Best.

Nacho.

El lun, 21-05-2007 a las 07:14 -0700, mark kasian escribió:

I always use real violins ( maybe 5-6 layers) over/under the tron
violins to get a smooth string sound. Sounds very orchestral.
Lee


--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, "Ignacio"
<ignacionietocarvajal@...> wrote:

>
> Hi:
>
> I have been recording a song with 6 mellotron violin tracks (three
> pairs of mellotron-violins so I can sustain a note on some parts).

The

> final result is that I get a very audible flanger effect on some

parts

> that weren't intended to be there. I am using very little effect,

just

...after a closer listen to your myspace tune...you can hear a sweet
baby.....I think lose the mike on instrumental passages and go
direct...that may lose the delay flange sound...
the music sounds good,... keep up the great work...(and keep the baby)
Lee

--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, "Ignacio"
<ignacionietocarvajal@...> wrote:

>
> Hi:
>
> I have been recording a song with 6 mellotron violin tracks (three
> pairs of mellotron-violins so I can sustain a note on some parts).

The

> final result is that I get a very audible flanger effect on some

parts

> that weren't intended to be there. I am using very little effect,

just

> From: "Ignacio" <ignacionietocarvajal@...>
> Sender: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
>
> I have been recording a song with 6 mellotron violin tracks (three
> pairs of mellotron-violins so I can sustain a note on some parts). The
> final result is that I get a very audible flanger effect on some parts
> that weren't intended to be there.
>
> You can hear it in www.myspace.com/ignacioNieto (it's called "la
> muerte de la inocencia"). Any idea of how can I get rid of that
> flanger effect?

I don't actually hear any flanging on that recording. I do hear a
barking dog though.

Flanging occurs when two identical tapes are played with very little
time delay between them. So there are lots of ways to eliminate
flanging. For instance, use a different EQ on each track, the EQ
phase shifts will probably eliminate most of the flanging. Run some
tracks through a static phase shifter (either use a plugin or an MXR
box with the direct mix clipped and the LFO shorted).

For something like this, the best and easiest way would be to record
the second track with part transposed up a half step and with the
'Tron tuned down a helf step. Then other combinations of transposed
and tuned up.

Also, you could reverse the Mellotron tapes for some of the tracks,
but that would probably not be worth the effort.

-- Don

--
Don Tillman
Palo Alto, California
don@...
http://www.till.com

Hi-
I agree with Mark, having encountered this effect a
few times while playing with tapes. Flanging can be
fascinating if controlled & used right. Getting rid
of it can be as easy as inserting a driver of some
sort (line driver?) that has a phase inversion switch.
Such a switch may even be built into one of your
boxes or software effects. Try this on subsequent
'tron overdubs. As with the reverb condition
suggested by Mark K., try inversion in the reverb send
coupling (if possible). Good luck!
-Bruce Daily
M400 #1221

--- mark kasian <easle12@...> wrote:

> It's comb filtering caused by out of phase identical
> tracks...probably because of a summed reverb
> channel.
> Try separating them with panning and don't bus the
> multiple channels to the same reverb program.
> --- Ignacio <ignacionietocarvajal@...> wrote:
>
> > Hi:
> >
> > I have been recording a song with 6 mellotron
> violin
> > tracks (three
> > pairs of mellotron-violins so I can sustain a note
> > on some parts). The
> > final result is that I get a very audible flanger
> > effect on some parts
> > that weren't intended to be there. I am using very
> > little effect, just
> > some very LIGHT reverb from a "Holy grail" reverb
> > pedal I use with
> > guitars, organs, flute etc with very nice results.
>
> >
> > Im using a Yamaha AW16G for recording the tracks.
> > You can hear it in
> > www.myspace.com/ignacioNieto (it's called "la
> muerte
> > de la
> > inocencia"). Any idea of how can I get rid of that
> > flanger effect?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Nacho.
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>

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