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eBay 4-Track report

eBay 4-Track report

2007-02-04 by MAinPsych@aol.com

I had the opportunity to drive up to L.A. on Saturday to check out  the eBay 
4-Track.
 
For starters, its location was at Figueroa and 79th, not exactly  Beverly 
Hills and not exactly where you would expect to find a Mellotron.   The condition 
of the apartment it was in looked like it went through the recent  Florida 
tornado.  Crap all over the place, no furniture, and largely  unliveable and 
bordering near condemnation status (but who am I to  judge?).
 
There it was, my first actual look at a 4-Track.  Externally,  it was rather 
filthy, such that if I were to wet the tip of my finger and run it  across the 
top or on the keys, it would have left a nice brown streak.   Hey, but it's 
an aluminum cabinet, something that a little 409 could fix.   No discernable 
damage to the cabinet.  By contrast, internally it was  surprisingly VERY clean; 
heads appeared in good condition (no wear or rust  spots), the capstan could 
use a little polishing, and the pads and rollers were  in very good condition 
(no pad replacement needed, just the ordinary  dipping of the rollers in 
alcohol to clean them up and have them spinning  freely).  I did notice that the 
adjustment screws for the pads and rollers  appeared to be screwed down quite a 
bit (more on this in a moment).   And the smaller thumbscrews and decreased 
access to them (e.g., too close to the  frame) make keyboard and tape frame 
removal somewhat of a pain in the ass -- no  3-5 minute frame changes with this 
machine.
 
Before exploring inside, we fired it up.  No crackling/static,  but the keys 
were rather tight and required some effort to press.  The  actual sound of the 
tapes sucked big time (choir/3 violins/?/church  organ).  Channel three gave 
no sound at all and the owner "couldn't recall"  what sound was on it.  We 
unscrewed the module and looked at the circuit  card, polished the contacts and 
reinserted it, with still no sound.   Pitch/motor controller was stable and the 
pitch control worked  smoothly.  The pot action was smooth with no static or 
crackling.  The  tape return seemed rather sluggish, and some springs looked 
rather stretched  out, or either had incorrect and/or inferior springs 
installed.  Remember,  the 4-Track was the only non-British Mellotron at the timeuntil 
the Mk-VI, and  what the hell was Bomar Fabricators?  A good idea in the 
wrong  hands.
 
After removing and inspecting the keyboard and reinstalling  it.  There was a 
marked difference in the feel of the keys (e.g., much  looser).  When we 
fired it up again, with the front panel off, many of the  tapes started feeding 
through as soon as the tron was turned on.  Shut it  down, reinstalled the 
keyboard, fired it up, and the same thing occurred  again.  What was happening?  
Well, despite the two guide pins the  4-Track has for aligning the keyboard, 
somehow it was not mounted properly,  accounting for the aforementioned stiff 
action when I first played it.   After reinstalling the keyboard properly after 
my internal inspection, it was  the overtightening of the pad and roller 
adjustment screws that was causing the  rollers to be in constant contact with the 
capstan on more than 75% of the  tapes.  A couple of the pinch rollers screws 
were tightened so much  that I almost couldn't get my fingernail underneath 
them!  An easy, but  time consuming and Mellotronist's-hunchback inducing task to 
remedy.  
 
I wasn't able to open up the back, due to the facts that it was  mounted on 
the tron with four flat-head screws, the owner had no screwdriver  handy, and I 
had not brought along my tron tool kit.  The front panel  flat-head screws 
were loose enough to get out via my thumbnail and a the end of  a small key I 
had on my key ring.  There was no visible serial number on  the back panel or on 
the internal frame.  Since I couldn't get the  back panel off, there may have 
been one somewhere inside.  At least we know  it's either S/N 1, 2, 3, or 4!
 
I was also skeptical about the owner's story regarding the  4-Track's 
history; that he did "electronic music" and "liked analog gear",  although the 
aforementioned environment did not suggest this, plus the question  of just how much 
use it got, even though the keyboard was so far out  of alignment, having 
sucky tapes and one channel not  working.  He said he acquired it from a guy here 
in San Diego who used  it on a radio show he did locally. Now, I've been here 
in S.D. since 1965 and  active in the music scene, but had never heard of 
this guy nor the show he is  alleged to have done.  Who knows?  My own #908 was 
owned by a guy here  in San Diego (who had earlier bought a MiniMoog from me) 
before being  acquired by the guy in Oregon that I got it from, and I had no 
idea it was  here.
 
Conclusion?  IMHO, it would make a relatively easy project for  someone to 
get it up to playing specs again, i.e., proper keyboard alignment and  
adjustment, new tapes, and bottle of 409.  Having to replace the card for  that 
inoperable channel might be a bit more of a challenge.  Who knows if  Mellotron 
Archives has any such spare cards from the cache of parts that DK  acquired?  Or 
would someone with electronics experience be able to trouble  shoot and fix the 
problem?  Value?  In and of itself, I would offer NO  MORE than $2K for it; 
HOWEVER, because of its rarity, regardless of condition,  the buyer can, and is, 
going to get much more.  At this writing, there is a  single bid for $5K, 
with no reserve and three days left on the  auction.
 
Frank Samagaio
San Diego CA
owner, MkII #134 (Pindertron) / M400 #908
author, The Mellotron  Book

Re: eBay 4-Track report

2007-02-04 by charel196

I always thought the 4 Track was a step in the right direction, with the multichannel heads 
and individual outs etc. It would be cool to see someone do a machine like the J-Tron 
appeared to be, merging thebest of Chamberlin and Mellotron technologies together 8 or 
16 track heads, wider tape...
 Could the 4 Track innards be placed in a wooden cabinet? That would be a nice 
instrument and I'm sure quieter than the dangerous Maytag.

Re: [Mellotronists] Re: eBay 4-Track report

2007-02-04 by tronbros@aol.com

Whoever buys the 4 track has a challenge ahead of them.  Because  only 4 were 
built, they were still in the prototype stage and putting the one  right that 
we restored was a bloody nightmare.  Not for the faint hearted  to say the 
very least.  The number of poorly jigged and aligned components  including a 
bent capstan and tape storage box that sat at a ridiculous angle to  the capstan 
etc. etc. means that these are not easy machines to work  on.  And the 
washingmachine cabinet is liable to rip your knuckles at any  moment.  Howver, once 
they are right...they sound good. 
 
Best,
 
Martin
 
STREETLY ELECTRONICS - All Things Mellotronic

_www.mellotronics.co.uk_ (http://www.mellotronics.co.uk/) 
_www.mellotronics.com_ (http://www.mellotronics.com/) 
US  East Coast Agent - Jimmy Moore _jmoore6397@..._ 
(http://jmoore6397@.../) 
US West  Coast Agent - Paul Cox _pjc56@..._ 
(http://pjc56@.../)

Re: eBay 4-Track report

2007-02-04 by charel196

by the way, does anyone know if Justin Mayer's J-TRON has ever shown up on any 
recordings? I assume he still has it and it's functional....I'd love to know what sounds he 
put on it.
 Martin....what's the status on your new machine and when we can expect a public 
unveiling?

Re: [Mellotronists] Re: eBay 4-Track report

2007-02-04 by Jerry Korb

charel196 wrote:

> I always thought the 4 Track was a step in the right direction, with the multichannel heads
> and individual outs etc. It would be cool to see someone do a machine like the J-Tron
> appeared to be, merging thebest of Chamberlin and Mellotron technologies together 8 or
> 16 track heads, wider tape...
>  Could the 4 Track innards be placed in a wooden cabinet? That would be a nice
> instrument and I'm sure quieter than the dangerous Maytag.

____________________________________________________________


     Thanks for the detailed report from SD,  FS #1.    Closest I've
     been to the 4-Track since Bob Kinney nervously permitted me
     to inspect/play the powder-blue unit at Bomar in 1981.
     To add to Char-El's comments, the 4-Track was conceived by
     Bill Eberline during the final days of Sound Sales. It was to be
     originally a retrofit inside a std. M400 cabinet . Great idea !
     The dangerous Maytag concept (helluva concept!)
     was Bob Kinney's idea, in all certainty.
     Last time I personally hung with Bill/Nancy Eberline in their
     Cornwall CT home in 1980, I presented Bill a miniature 4-Track
     model (in wood) to him.  A duplicate still stands atop my Tron
     at the M-Ranch.  See attached photo.
     Last time I drove thru that portion of CT along I-84, Bomar's
     location is now called "Martin's Aluminum Gutters and Doors."
     Better sales potential than the four 4-Tracks mfgd. there in '81-'83.
     Cheers,  --JK --

Re: [Mellotronists] Re: eBay 4-Track report

2007-02-04 by tronbros@aol.com

In a message dated 04/02/2007 14:57:36 GMT Standard Time,  
charel196@... writes:

Martin....what'Martin....what'<WBR>s the status on your new machine and when 
we can 
unveiling?


Hi Chuck,
 
We are four weeks away approx. as we have to hit studio recording deadlines  
for two artists.  Unfortunately, John fell badly just after Christmas  
breaking his right hand collarbone and left hand thumb.  This has  inevitably slowed 
things as he was disabled in both arms!  We are now  getting there and being 
at least 12 months late over all is something to be  quite proud of!  As soon 
as the first two are ready to ship we will  document them on video.  All will 
be revealed.  
 
Best,
 
Martin
 
STREETLY ELECTRONICS - All Things Mellotronic

_www.mellotronics.co.uk_ (http://www.mellotronics.co.uk/) 
_www.mellotronics.com_ (http://www.mellotronics.com/) 
US  East Coast Agent - Jimmy Moore _jmoore6397@..._ 
(http://jmoore6397@.../) 
US West  Coast Agent - Paul Cox _pjc56@..._ 
(http://pjc56@.../)

Re: eBay 4-Track report

2007-02-04 by ceccles_ca

--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, tronbros@... wrote:
Howver, once they are right...they sound good. 
>  

I saw Strange Advance in 1982 at The Ontario Place Forum on a rotating
stage.  They had a white 4-Track up on a riser, separate from the rest
of the keyboard rig.  Two band members took turns on the 4-Track.  It
was cutting through the mix loud and clear.  Did it sound good? 
Yes...it did!  The PA systems were much improved by 1982.  They had it
wired and set-up right.

Clay

Re: [Mellotronists] Re: eBay 4-Track report

2007-02-04 by tony

Indeed we want to see the new machines!
Tony
M400SM #510
Anyone have a Synthi-AKS for sale? Norm and leads buddy?
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From: charel196
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 9:54 AM
Subject: [Mellotronists] Re: eBay 4-Track report

by the way, does anyone know if Justin Mayer's J-TRON has ever shown up on any
recordings? I assume he still has it and it's functional....I'd love to know what sounds he
put on it.
Martin....what's the status on your new machine and when we can expect a public
unveiling?

Re: [Mellotronists] Re: eBay 4-Track report

2007-02-04 by tony

Make that "any" leads, sorry.
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Indeed we want to see the new machines!
Tony
M400SM #510
Anyone have a Synthi-AKS for sale? Norm and leads buddy?
----- Original Message -----
From: charel196
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 9:54 AM
Subject: [Mellotronists] Re: eBay 4-Track report

by the way, does anyone know if Justin Mayer's J-TRON has ever shown up on any
recordings? I assume he still has it and it's functional....I'd love to know what sounds he
put on it.
Martin....what's the status on your new machine and when we can expect a public
unveiling?

Re: eBay 4-Track report

2007-02-05 by Bernie

Was the 4-track originally designed as a special effects machine? I 
thought I read that somewhere. What about tapes? Are 4-track tapes 
available for this machine? Are the tapes mounted on a frame?

Bernie

Re: [Mellotronists] Re: eBay 4-Track report

2007-02-05 by Jerry Korb

Bernie wrote:

> Was the 4-track originally designed as a special effects machine? I
> thought I read that somewhere. What about tapes? Are 4-track tapes
> available for this machine? Are the tapes mounted on a frame?
>
> Bernie

______________________________________________________________


Hi Bernie and Gang,  Gonna make this quick, to return to the
Super Bowl.   Am reading the orig. brochure from Sound Sales
as I'm typing this:

"Announcing the Mellotron 4-Track. Available with all new
recordings made in the USA.  Call now for pricing for 4-Track
conversions, or in your choice of custom cabinets. "

.....Shame that  the Dangerous Maytag was the final form.
Always loved the "M" logo on DK's Tron. Saw one in Eberline's
Cornwall ,CT garage back in '79.

--JK  (coulda,shoulda,woulda bought one......only if.....)

Re: [Mellotronists] Re: eBay 4-Track report

2007-02-05 by jeffc@netaxs.com

On Sun, 4 Feb 2007, tony wrote:

>   Tony
>   M400SM  #510
>
>   Anyone have a Synthi-AKS for sale?  Norm and leads buddy?


would a vcs3 suffice?
[essentially the same synth w/o the membrane keyboard]
a vcs3 signed by dave brock from hawkwind?

http://www.dipintoguitars.com/vintage/Default.htm

[then click on "keyboards"]


...jeff

Re: [Mellotronists] Re: eBay 4-Track report

2007-02-05 by john barrick

Well, that clears up my question as to what Eno was playing in an early 
Roxy Music video that I saw a while back.

thanks,
john


jeffc@... wrote:
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> On Sun, 4 Feb 2007, tony wrote:
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>   
>>   Tony
>>   M400SM  #510
>>
>>   Anyone have a Synthi-AKS for sale?  Norm and leads buddy?
>>     
>
>
> would a vcs3 suffice?
> [essentially the same synth w/o the membrane keyboard]
> a vcs3 signed by dave brock from hawkwind?
>
> http://www.dipintoguitars.com/vintage/Default.htm
>
> [then click on "keyboards"]
>
>
> ...jeff
>
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>

Re: [Mellotronists] Re: eBay 4-Track report

2007-02-05 by NormLeete@aol.com

In a message dated 05/02/2007 06:11:52 GMT Standard Time, jeffc@...  
writes:

would a  vcs3 suffice?
[essentially the same synth w/o the membrane keyboard]
a  vcs3 signed by dave brock from hawkwind?


Dear All,
 
I've had both and the circuitry is identical. In some ways the VCS3 has a  
better layout as there is more space on the front panel. Me, I like the  
portability of the AKS and the sequencer.
 
I learnt synthesis on these instruments.
 
Norm

Re: [Mellotronists] Strange 4-Track Advance

2007-02-15 by Andy Thompson

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Subject: [Mellotronists] Strange 4-Track Advance


> http://www.strangeadvance.com/Worlds_Away_1000kbps.wmv


FWIW, I had some contact with Drew Arnott from Strange Advance recently, and 
he said:

"The 4-Track got listed just to be exotic. It was actually awful. I used the 
good old 400".  :-)

Andy T.

p.s. He also played 'Tron on Aerosmith's comeback album, 'Permanent 
Vacation', and took along the Kean CD that Yes used on 'The Ladder'.