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catching up

2007-01-23 by jonesalley

> Have you ever been here, Jon?  :-)   Actually, bits of the country still
> keep that 'olde-worlde' charm, but identikit pedestrianised precincts in
> every two-bit town tend to smooth off the interesting rough edges.

No, curse the luck, I spent three years in France and another year in 
Germany in the early Sixties as an Air Force brat, and my parents toured all 
over contintental Europe with me in tow, hitting all the museums and 
historical sites we could find.  It was wonderful, but we never made it 
across the Channel.  I honestly attribute my own musical tastes largely to 
that experience.




> Although it's a small minority of current prog bands that use Mellotrons,
> even sampled ones. And to get all picky on you, prog was dying a bloody
> death years before digital synths - the early '80s bands predate the 
> DX7...
> Seems to me to be more of a cultural shift, where the generation that grew
> up with the Moodies, Crimson, Genesis et al. all got married and had kids,
> and started listening to the Alan Parsons Project and ELO, and their 
> younger
> siblings turned to other music, perceived as current. Or am I just talking
> crap?  :-)

That is certainly a big part of it, but I think the pressures of bands like 
KISS that were starting to make TONS of money playing really crude rock but 
with elaborate visual presentations kind of worked on kids' lizard brains 
and separated skill from the equation.  The death of the Mellotron was the 
coup de grace.




> Haven't Muse already done that? In seriousness, there are some decent
> current prog bands, but most of them sound like nothing's chaged in 30
> years. I'm not actually arguing that this is a bad thing, only it has 
> little
> to do with moving forwards, and a lot to do with recreating something that
> was once innovative. Wouldn't stop me doing exactly that, mind...

And I certainly don't advocate just reliving ancient prog, but the meld of 
rock power, classical majesty and technical virtuosity and musical passion 
is still fertile ground with a lot left to say as a genre.  Look at how much 
mileage a very limited form like the blues still gets.

Re: [Mellotronists] catching up

2007-01-23 by lsf5275@aol.com

In a message dated 1/22/2007 11:03:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jonesalley@... writes:

Seems  to me to be more of a cultural shift, where the generation that grew
>  up with the Moodies, Crimson, Genesis et al. all got married and had  kids,
> and started listening to the Alan Parsons Project and ELO, and  their 
> younger
> siblings turned to other music, perceived as  current. Or am I just talking
> crap? :-)



I missed your original post, but I assure you, you are talking  crap. Still, 
you're a mighty nice person and are well respected in certain  circles.

Re: [Mellotronists] catching up

2007-01-23 by Mike Dickson

jonesalley wrote:

> And I certainly don't advocate just reliving ancient prog, but the 
> meld of
> rock power, classical majesty and technical virtuosity and musical 
> passion
> is still fertile ground with a lot left to say as a genre. Look at how 
> much
> mileage a very limited form like the blues still gets.
>
> _
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>   


Why on earth do you think that blues is a 'limited form'? More to the 
point, why do you think the blues has lived and prog rock has died a 
miserable and well-deserved death?

-- 
Mike Dickson (tron@...) M400 #996
The Official Cynic of Streetly Electronics
Streetly Sample Library http://www.blackcat.demon.co.uk/tron/

Re: [Mellotronists] catching up

2007-01-23 by jonesalley

I could expound, but I'll just say "pointless pentatonic meandering devoid 
of any real expertise" and leave it at that.
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> Why on earth do you think that blues is a 'limited form'? More to the 
> point, why do you think the blues has lived and prog rock has died a 
> miserable and well-deserved death?
>

Re: [Mellotronists] catching up

2007-01-23 by fdoddy@aol.com

....because it is a limited form, as are most other forms. I think the idea is not to view the word "limited" as a pejorative. Defining limits are what truly allows one to be expressive. Freedom is bullshit.
 
 fd
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     jonesalley wrote:
 
 > And I certainly don't advocate just reliving ancient prog, but the 
 > meld of
 > rock power, classical majesty and technical virtuosity and musical 
 > passion
 > is still fertile ground with a lot left to say as a genre. Look at how 
 > much
 > mileage a very limited form like the blues still gets.
 >
 > _
 > ----------------------------------------------------------
 >
 >
 > 
 
 Why on earth do you think that blues is a 'limited form'? More to the 
 point, why do you think the blues has lived and prog rock has died a 
 miserable and well-deserved death?
 
 -- 
 Mike Dickson (tron@...) M400 #996
 The Official Cynic of Streetly Electronics
 Streetly Sample Library http://www.blackcat.demon.co.uk/tron/
 
      
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Re: [Mellotronists] catching up

2007-01-23 by fdoddy@aol.com

I hope you are not seriously referring to the blues in this fashion, because we will have to agree to disagree.
 
 fd-got his ass kicked in many blues bands
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     I could expound, but I'll just say "pointless pentatonic meandering devoid 
 of any real expertise" and leave it at that.
 
 > Why on earth do you think that blues is a 'limited form'? More to the 
 > point, why do you think the blues has lived and prog rock has died a 
 > miserable and well-deserved death?
 > 
      
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Re: [Mellotronists] catching up

2007-01-23 by andy.thompson@virgin.net

Why on earth do you think that blues is a 'limited form'? More to the point, why do you think the blues has lived and prog rock has died a miserable and well-deserved death?
Fuck knows - people must like listening to the same few ideas time and time again.
Andy T.

Re: catching up

2007-01-24 by charel196

because where I live at least most musicians are inherently lazy bastards who throw 
together a blues band to go out and make a few easy bucks, down some free beers, and 
get laid, and because the blues songs are "easy". Progressive rock takes ability and drive 
(not to mention rigid rehearsals) which most of the musicians I know seem to lack.
 Blues maintains a state of consciousness that continually bemoans the state of current 
affairs instead of getting off the arse and moving forward (PROGRESSING)  





--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dickson <tron@...> wrote:
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>
> jonesalley wrote:
> 
> > And I certainly don't advocate just reliving ancient prog, but the 
> > meld of
> > rock power, classical majesty and technical virtuosity and musical 
> > passion
> > is still fertile ground with a lot left to say as a genre. Look at how 
> > much
> > mileage a very limited form like the blues still gets.
> >
> > _
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >   
> 
> 
> Why on earth do you think that blues is a 'limited form'? More to the 
> point, why do you think the blues has lived and prog rock has died a 
> miserable and well-deserved death?
> 
> -- 
> Mike Dickson (tron@...) M400 #996
> The Official Cynic of Streetly Electronics
> Streetly Sample Library http://www.blackcat.demon.co.uk/tron/
>

Re: [Mellotronists] Re: catching up [blues]

2007-01-24 by jeffc@netaxs.com

has anyone here ever SEEN a stevie ray vaughan video?
i used to snore at the thought of "blues".
then i saw "live at el mocambo".
no more snoring for me.

there is good blues.
there is bad blues.

there is good "prog".
there is bad "prog".

there is good "xxxx". [fill in the blank]
there is bad "xxxx". [fill in the blank]

let's not be so closed minded here people.
likes and dislikes are one thing.

...jeff

[Mellotronists] Re: catching up

2007-01-24 by d.etheridge1@ntlworld.com

The Enid...
say no more-well I will: they took the pure classical  approach to 
prog light years ahead of anyone else. Likewise Gentle Giant, with 
their unique independent polyphonic lines interweaving. And their 
harmonic sense was more advanced than just about anyone else.
QED, I think.
Dave.
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>  Progressive rock takes ability and drive
>(not to mention rigid rehearsals) which most of the musicians I know 
>seem to lack.
>Blues maintains a state of consciousness that continually bemoans 
>the state of current
>affairs instead of getting off the arse and moving forward (PROGRESSING)
>
>--- In 
><mailto:Mellotronists%40yahoogroups.com>Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, 
>Mike Dickson <tron@...> wrote:
>>
>>  jonesalley wrote:
>>
>>  > And I certainly don't advocate just reliving ancient prog, but the
>>  > meld of
>>  > rock power, classical majesty and technical virtuosity and musical
>>  > passion
>>  > is still fertile ground with a lot left to say as a genre. Look at how
>>  > much
>>  > mileage a very limited form like the blues still gets.
>>  >
>>  > _
>>  > ----------------------------------------------------------
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>
>>
>>  Why on earth do you think that blues is a 'limited form'? More to the
>>  point, why do you think the blues has lived and prog rock has died a
>>  miserable and well-deserved death?
>>
>>  --
>  > Mike Dickson (tron@...) M400 #996

Re: catching up [blues]

2007-01-24 by charel196

I wouldn't necessarlly include Stevie Ray in the strictly blues category....the guy was 
obviously a phenomenal player and it showed. I'm referring to the tired plodding 1-4-5 
chord progressions of the hundreds of "blues" bands gracing the stages of local bars etc. 
These musicians get together and due to their conflicting schedules making it hard to 
have long dedicated rehearsals...will throw together a set of the easiest material everyone 
knows i.e. "let's just do a blues jam man....Stormy Monday in Em."




--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, jeffc@... wrote:
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>
> 
> has anyone here ever SEEN a stevie ray vaughan video?
> i used to snore at the thought of "blues".
> then i saw "live at el mocambo".
> no more snoring for me.
> 
> there is good blues.
> there is bad blues.
> 
> there is good "prog".
> there is bad "prog".
> 
> there is good "xxxx". [fill in the blank]
> there is bad "xxxx". [fill in the blank]
> 
> let's not be so closed minded here people.
> likes and dislikes are one thing.
> 
> ...jeff
>

Re: [Mellotronists] Re: catching up [blues]

2007-01-24 by john barrick

Damn, you make it sound like some kind of conspiracy ...

john barrick
good music is where you find it



charel196 wrote:
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> I wouldn't necessarlly include Stevie Ray in the strictly blues category....the guy was 
> obviously a phenomenal player and it showed. I'm referring to the tired plodding 1-4-5 
> chord progressions of the hundreds of "blues" bands gracing the stages of local bars etc. 
> These musicians get together and due to their conflicting schedules making it hard to 
> have long dedicated rehearsals...will throw together a set of the easiest material everyone 
> knows i.e. "let's just do a blues jam man....Stormy Monday in Em."
>
>

Re: [Mellotronists] Re: catching up [blues]

2007-01-24 by tronbros@aol.com

I find blues and reggae tedious in any quantity.  Blues is locked into  the 
pentatonic with nowhere to go and reggae has the eternal 3rd beat in the bar  
running to destruction.  Both are severly handicapped by their  respective 
formulas IMHO.  To balance this, I have spent time listening to  prog during this 
last week via all the internet radio providers and I am  appalled at the 
majority of what I hear.  This genre is currently guilty of  crimes against mankind 
and may well have always been so.  Blues and  reggae may be musically 
claustrophobic for my tastes but the drivel pouring  from these progstations is like 
some hideous musical nightmare.  Give me a  stumbling player who means it 
rather than some technical genius bereft of one  good musical idea.
 
There, I've said it.  Now go and listen to Chris Thile's 'Not All Who  Wander 
Are Lost'.  Musical prowess and real music.  
 
Martin
 
'Down With ProgBollox' tee shirts available.  One size fits  nobody.  Send 
$40 for free receipt
 
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Re: catching up [blues]

2007-01-24 by charel196

how about technical geniuses with great ideas? I'm not implying that prog is 
infallible...throughout the 90s I kept hearing new "neoprog" bands that sounded like old 
Genesis or Yes ad infinitum. If I want to hear old Genesis I'll put on FOXTROT thanks.
  Nick Magnus is doing some amazing things IMO....Iona...some bits by Flower 
Kings....Karnataka was pretty good before they split. There's still phenomenal prog out 
there. 



--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, tronbros@... wrote:
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>
> I find blues and reggae tedious in any quantity.  Blues is locked into  the 
> pentatonic with nowhere to go and reggae has the eternal 3rd beat in the bar  
> running to destruction.  Both are severly handicapped by their  respective 
> formulas IMHO.  To balance this, I have spent time listening to  prog during this 
> last week via all the internet radio providers and I am  appalled at the 
> majority of what I hear.  This genre is currently guilty of  crimes against mankind 
> and may well have always been so.  Blues and  reggae may be musically 
> claustrophobic for my tastes but the drivel pouring  from these progstations is like 
> some hideous musical nightmare.  Give me a  stumbling player who means it 
> rather than some technical genius bereft of one  good musical idea.
>  
> There, I've said it.  Now go and listen to Chris Thile's 'Not All Who  Wander 
> Are Lost'.  Musical prowess and real music.  
>  
> Martin
>  
> 'Down With ProgBollox' tee shirts available.  One size fits  nobody.  Send 
> $40 for free receipt
>  
> STREETLY ELECTRONICS - All Things Mellotronic
> 
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Re: [Mellotronists] Re: catching up [blues]

2007-01-24 by fdoddy@aol.com

here here Jeff!! SRV kills!
 
 fd 
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 Sent: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Re: catching up [blues]
 
     
 has anyone here ever SEEN a stevie ray vaughan video?
 i used to snore at the thought of "blues".
 then i saw "live at el mocambo".
 no more snoring for me.
 
 there is good blues.
 there is bad blues.
 
 there is good "prog".
 there is bad "prog".
 
 there is good "xxxx". [fill in the blank]
 there is bad "xxxx". [fill in the blank]
 
 let's not be so closed minded here people.
 likes and dislikes are one thing.
 
 ...jeff
      
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Re: [Mellotronists] Re: catching up [blues]

2007-01-24 by fdoddy@aol.com

I think th Amish community would like the Blues for very obvious reasons.
 
 
 Fritz 
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 Sent: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 8:33 AM
 Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Re: catching up [blues]
 
       I find blues and reggae tedious in any quantity. Blues is locked into the pentatonic with nowhere to go and reggae has the eternal 3rd beat in the bar running to destruction. Both are severly handicapped by their respective formulas IMHO. To balance this, I have spent time listening to prog during this last week via all the internet radio providers and I am appalled at the majority of what I hear. This genre is currently guilty of crimes against mankind and may well have always been so. Blues and reggae may be musically claustrophobic for my tastes but the drivel pouring from these progstations is like some hideous musical nightmare. Give me a stumbling player who means it rather than some technical genius bereft of one good musical idea.   There, I've said it. Now go and listen to Chris Thile's 'Not All Who Wander Are Lost'. Musical prowess and real music.    Martin   'Down With ProgBollox' tee shirts available. One size fits nobody. Send $40 for free receipt   STREETLY ELECTRONICS - All Things Mellotronic
 www.mellotronics.co.uk
 www.mellotronics.com
 US East Coast Agent - Jimmy Moore jmoore6397@...
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Re: catching up [blues]

2007-01-24 by charel196

Steve Martin on blues in "THE JERK"..."There's something about those songs....they 
DEPRESS me!!"     :)




--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, fdoddy@... wrote:
>
>  I think th Amish community would like the Blues for very obvious reasons.
>  
>  
>  Fritz 
>     
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: tronbros@...
>  To: charel196@...; Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
>  Sent: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 8:33 AM
>  Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Re: catching up [blues]
>  
>        I find blues and reggae tedious in any quantity. Blues is locked into the pentatonic 
with nowhere to go and reggae has the eternal 3rd beat in the bar running to destruction. 
Both are severly handicapped by their respective formulas IMHO. To balance this, I have 
spent time listening to prog during this last week via all the internet radio providers and I 
am appalled at the majority of what I hear. This genre is currently guilty of crimes against 
mankind and may well have always been so. Blues and reggae may be musically 
claustrophobic for my tastes but the drivel pouring from these progstations is like some 
hideous musical nightmare. Give me a stumbling player who means it rather than some 
technical genius bereft of one good musical idea.   There, I've said it. Now go and listen to 
Chris Thile's 'Not All Who Wander Are Lost'. Musical prowess and real music.    Martin   
'Down With ProgBollox' tee shirts available. One size fits nobody. Send $40 for free receipt   
STREETLY ELECTRONICS - All Things Mellotronic
>  www.mellotronics.co.uk
>  www.mellotronics.com
>  US East Coast Agent - Jimmy Moore jmoore6397@...
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Re: [Mellotronists] Re: catching up

2007-01-24 by NormLeete@aol.com

In a message dated 24/01/2007 09:22:15 GMT Standard Time, d.etheridge1@... writes:
Gentle Giant
brilliant...............................
Norm

Re: [Mellotronists] Re: catching up [blues]

2007-01-24 by NormLeete@aol.com

In a message dated 24/01/2007 13:37:29 GMT Standard Time, tronbros@...  
writes:

'Down With ProgBollox' tee shirts available.  One size fits  nobody.  Send 
$40 for free receipt



Available on ebay - lightly ship-soiled
 
Norm

Re: [Mellotronists] Re: catching up [blues]

2007-01-24 by zappaboggs

Note to self:
Call the guys... We are forming a Blues/Prog band... Or a Prog/Blues band...
"Nothing can change the shape of things to come."
...Max Frost
"Any talent that we are born with eventually surfaces as a need"
...Marsha Sinetar


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Subject: [Mellotronists] Re: catching up [blues]

Steve Martin on blues in "THE JERK"..."There' s something about those songs....they
DEPRESS me!!" :)

--- In Mellotronists@ yahoogroups. com, fdoddy@... wrote:
>
> I think th Amish community would like the Blues for very obvious reasons.
>
>
> Fritz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tronbros@...
> To: charel196@.. .; Mellotronists@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 8:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Re: catching up [blues]
>
> I find blues and reggae tedious in any quantity. Blues is locked into the pentatonic
with nowhere to go and reggae has the eternal 3rd beat in the bar running to destruction.
Both are severly handicapped by their respective formulas IMHO. To balance this, I have
spent time listening to prog during this last week via all the internet radio providers and I
am appalled at the majority of what I hear. This genre is currently guilty of crimes against
mankind and may well have always been so. Blues and reggae may be musically
claustrophobic for my tastes but the drivel pouring from these progstations is like some
hideous musical nightmare. Give me a stumbling player who means it rather than some
technical genius bereft of one good musical idea. There, I've said it. Now go and listen to
Chris Thile's 'Not All Who Wander Are Lost'. Musical prowess and real music. Martin
'Down With ProgBollox' tee shirts available. One size fits nobody. Send $40 for free receipt
STREETLY ELECTRONICS - All Things Mellotronic
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Re: [Mellotronists] Re: catching up [blues]

2007-01-25 by john barrick

Tell us the story again about how a young Rick Wakeman, who laboured in 
the fields of western Mississippi picking cotton, left the tin-roofed 
shack of his share cropper parents and made his way, at the age of nine, 
to New Orleans, where he picked up classical European influences while 
playing organ nightly in various bars and a certain French Quarter 
bordello, before being forced to leave the city after a fellow musician 
was accidentally killed in a drunken argument over a leslie cabinet.  He 
worked his way north to St. Louis and ultimately Chicago, where he put 
together  an unwieldy combo and after a long club residency became known 
as the father of that most curious and beloved musical style, Delta Prog.

j. barrick, folkways musicologist


zappaboggs wrote:
> Note to self:
>  
> Call the guys...  We are forming a Blues/Prog band...  Or a Prog/Blues 
> band...
>  
> "Nothing can change the shape of things to come."
before fleeing the city after accidentally killing a man in a drunken 
fight over a leslie cabinet

Re: [Mellotronists] Re: catching up [blues]

2007-01-25 by d.etheridge1@ntlworld.com

>Tell us the story again about how a young Rick Wakeman, who laboured in
>the fields of western Mississippi picking cotton, left the tin-roofed
>shack of his share cropper parents and made his way, at the age of nine,
>to New Orleans, where he picked up classical European influences while
>playing organ nightly in various bars and a certain French Quarter
>bordello, before being forced to leave the city after a fellow musician
>was accidentally killed in a drunken argument over a leslie cabinet. He
>worked his way north to St. Louis and ultimately Chicago, where he put
>together an unwieldy combo and after a long club residency became known
>as the father of that most curious and beloved musical style, Delta Prog.
>
You've got it wrong, but it's a common mistake. That was Keith 
Emerson...........as any fule kno.

Dave.

Re: [Mellotronists] Re: catching up [blues]

2007-01-25 by john barrick

my shame, she knos no bounds ...

www.fuleboy.com


d.etheridge1@... wrote:
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> You've got it wrong, but it's a common mistake. That was Keith 
> Emerson...........as any fule kno.
>
> Dave.
>
>
>

RE: [Mellotronists] Re: catching up [blues]

2007-01-25 by Brundage, Jim

BB King Crimson. 

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Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 3:38 PM
To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Re: catching up [blues]


Note to self:
 
Call the guys...  We are forming a Blues/Prog band...  Or a Prog/Blues
band...
 
"Nothing can change the shape of things to come." 
....Max Frost
 
"Any talent that we are born with eventually surfaces as a need"
....Marsha Sinetar


----- Original Message ----
From: charel196 <charel196@...>
To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 2:20:57 PM
Subject: [Mellotronists] Re: catching up [blues]



Steve Martin on blues in "THE JERK"..."There' s something about those
songs....they 
DEPRESS me!!" :)

--- In Mellotronists@ yahoogroups. com
<mailto:Mellotronists%40yahoogroups.com> , fdoddy@... wrote:
>
> I think th Amish community would like the Blues for very obvious
reasons.
> 
> 
> Fritz 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tronbros@...
> To: charel196@.. .; Mellotronists@ yahoogroups. com
<mailto:Mellotronists%40yahoogroups.com> 
> Sent: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 8:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Re: catching up [blues]
> 
> I find blues and reggae tedious in any quantity. Blues is locked into
the pentatonic 
with nowhere to go and reggae has the eternal 3rd beat in the bar
running to destruction. 
Both are severly handicapped by their respective formulas IMHO. To
balance this, I have 
spent time listening to prog during this last week via all the internet
radio providers and I 
am appalled at the majority of what I hear. This genre is currently
guilty of crimes against 
mankind and may well have always been so. Blues and reggae may be
musically 
claustrophobic for my tastes but the drivel pouring from these
progstations is like some 
hideous musical nightmare. Give me a stumbling player who means it
rather than some 
technical genius bereft of one good musical idea. There, I've said it.
Now go and listen to 
Chris Thile's 'Not All Who Wander Are Lost'. Musical prowess and real
music. Martin 
'Down With ProgBollox' tee shirts available. One size fits nobody. Send
$40 for free receipt 
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Re: [Mellotronists] Re: catching up [blues]

2007-01-25 by fdoddy@aol.com

very funny....
 fd 
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 -----Original Message-----
 From: astroboy@...
 To: zappaboggs@...
 Cc: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 8:54 PM
 Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Re: catching up [blues]
 
     Tell us the story again about how a young Rick Wakeman, who laboured in 
 the fields of western Mississippi picking cotton, left the tin-roofed 
 shack of his share cropper parents and made his way, at the age of nine, 
 to New Orleans, where he picked up classical European influences while 
 playing organ nightly in various bars and a certain French Quarter 
 bordello, before being forced to leave the city after a fellow musician 
 was accidentally killed in a drunken argument over a leslie cabinet. He 
 worked his way north to St. Louis and ultimately Chicago, where he put 
 together an unwieldy combo and after a long club residency became known 
 as the father of that most curious and beloved musical style, Delta Prog.
 
 j. barrick, folkways musicologist
 
 zappaboggs wrote:
 > Note to self:
 > 
 > Call the guys... We are forming a Blues/Prog band... Or a Prog/Blues 
 > band...
 > 
 > "Nothing can change the shape of things to come."
 before fleeing the city after accidentally killing a man in a drunken 
 fight over a leslie cabinet
      
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Re: [Mellotronists] Re: catching up [blues]

2007-01-25 by zappaboggs

And to think all this time I had no idea what a BLOG (Blues/Prog) was...
"Nothing can change the shape of things to come."
...Max Frost
"Any talent that we are born with eventually surfaces as a need"
...Marsha Sinetar


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To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 10:38:58 AM
Subject: RE: [Mellotronists] Re: catching up [blues]

BB King Crimson.

From: Mellotronists@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:Mellotronis ts@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of zappaboggs
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 3:38 PM
To: Mellotronists@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Re: catching up [blues]

Note to self:
Call the guys... We are forming a Blues/Prog band... Or a Prog/Blues band...
"Nothing can change the shape of things to come."
...Max Frost
"Any talent that we are born with eventually surfaces as a need"
...Marsha Sinetar


----- Original Message ----
From: charel196
To: Mellotronists@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 2:20:57 PM
Subject: [Mellotronists] Re: catching up [blues]

Steve Martin on blues in "THE JERK"..."There' s something about those songs....they
DEPRESS me!!" :)

--- In Mellotronists@ yahoogroups. com, fdoddy@... wrote:
>
> I think th Amish community would like the Blues for very obvious reasons.
>
>
> Fritz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tronbros@...
> To: charel196@.. .; Mellotronists@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 8:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Re: catching up [blues]
>
> I find blues and reggae tedious in any quantity. Blues is locked into the pentatonic
with nowhere to go and reggae has the eternal 3rd beat in the bar running to destruction.
Both are severly handicapped by their respective formulas IMHO. To balance this, I have
spent time listening to prog during this last week via all the internet radio providers and I
am appalled at the majority of what I hear. This genre is currently guilty of crimes against
mankind and may well have always been so. Blues and reggae may be musically
claustrophobic for my tastes but the drivel pouring from these progstations is like some
hideous musical nightmare. Give me a stumbling player who means it rather than some
technical genius bereft of one good musical idea. There, I've said it. Now go and listen to
Chris Thile's 'Not All Who Wander Are Lost'. Musical prowess and real music. Martin
'Down With ProgBollox' tee shirts available. One size fits nobody. Send $40 for free receipt
STREETLY ELECTRONICS - All Things Mellotronic
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Re: [Mellotronists] Re: catching up [blues]

2007-01-25 by Rick Blechta


On Jan 25, 2007, at 10:38 AM, Brundage, Jim wrote:

BB King Crimson.

Okay, gang, King Crimson (recent versions) meets James Brown:


There are definitely elements of both in this particular tune.

If you're interested, there's also another tune by this band, "Can You Feel My Bottom?" (Martinge should like this one just from the title), which is also on youtube.com:


The tune features a 7-piece horn section, 2 keyboardists, guitar, drums, 2 percussionists, singer and TWO bass players, and nobody gets in anybody's way. Very cool Australian funk. Australian funk?

Rick

Re: catching up [blues]

2007-02-05 by Doug Berg

--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, jeffc@... wrote:
>
> 
Not all "blues" has the same old 4 chord repetition for example early 
STONES, Humble Pie, Ten Years After, etc did some fine renditions of 
early blues work.  One of my favorites is Harvey Mandel..who? If you 
can find it give a listen to Charley Musselwhite's first lp "Stand 
Back" (Vanguard 1966) with Barry Goldberg on keys and Harvey Mandel on 
guitar and Harvey's first solo lp "Christo Redentor"  I actually got 
to see these guys in Chicago in a bar on Wabash Ave back in late 60's 
and personally I don't think Stevie Ray comes close.  If you like I 
have posted a couple of cuts on Limewire along with some of my TRON 
stuff.  How about Rory Gallagher?   ---Doug