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I would say that Mike Pinder and TONY CLARKE have the
best studio recorded Mellotron/Chamberlin sound
around. My second favorite is SFF.

Caught Live + 5 MK II leaves me cold and so do
Pinder's solo records. 

Mark.
--- "J.P." <tronlord927@...> wrote:

> Hi Again Gang...
> 
> Concerning the "soaring Chamberlins" thread... no
> matter if you like the song or not... you have to
> admit that Mike Pinder has the most unique... and
> IMHO the best... 'Tron sound around!
> 
> On this subject... is there a way that we could set
> up a page here, dedicated to various recording, EQ,
> FX, and overdubbing 'Tron tips? Perhaps a page where
> we can all contribute, when we find something new...
> or hear of a trick that a group/individual  used to
> get "their" 'Tron sound... just a thought...
> 
> The ball's in your court now...
> 
> J.P.
> 
> MicroTron 001: ...after reading Anekdoten's blog on
> MySpace... wants to acquire a Marshall "Micro Stack"
> to record with...
> 
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well in all fairness Mark he did say STUDIO sound ( and Tony Clarke wasn't involved with 
Mike's solo stuff, if I recall.) Mike's sound didn't have that ice-y Crimson/epitaph tone...all 
of is tron layers had a warmth and nice lush reverb and I'm sure multiple tracks & panning, 
which would be hard to pull off in a live setting even now, let alone in the 60s/70s. "Have 
You Heard/The Voyage" on the Threshold album still gives me goosebumps. I really 
thought back then it was a real symphony (before I knew what a tron was)
  It sounds like Mike really rolled off the highs and boosted lows on his tron tracks, and as 
i mentioned nice stereo reverbs and pans.
 I actually like the tron bits on THE PROMISE...it's just the album songwriting as a whole 
wasn't up to the expectations I had from a Pinder solo album. Very lightweight, jazzy MOR.







--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, mark kasian <easle12@...> wrote:

>
> I would say that Mike Pinder and TONY CLARKE have the
> best studio recorded Mellotron/Chamberlin sound
> around. My second favorite is SFF.
> 
> Caught Live + 5 MK II leaves me cold and so do
> Pinder's solo records. 
> 
> Mark.
> --- "J.P." <tronlord927@...> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Again Gang...
> > 
> > Concerning the "soaring Chamberlins" thread... no
> > matter if you like the song or not... you have to
> > admit that Mike Pinder has the most unique... and
> > IMHO the best... 'Tron sound around!
> > 
> > On this subject... is there a way that we could set
> > up a page here, dedicated to various recording, EQ,
> > FX, and overdubbing 'Tron tips? Perhaps a page where
> > we can all contribute, when we find something new...
> > or hear of a trick that a group/individual  used to
> > get "their" 'Tron sound... just a thought...
> > 
> > The ball's in your court now...
> > 
> > J.P.
> > 
> > MicroTron 001: ...after reading Anekdoten's blog on
> > MySpace... wants to acquire a Marshall "Micro Stack"
> > to record with...
> > 
> >  __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
> > protection around 
> > http://mail.yahoo.com 
> 
> 
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Ken Leonard's website, which seems to be down at the moment, goes 
into some detail as to why Pinder's MkII sounds so much different 
than the KC Trons. When it comes up again, look for the audio 
comparisons of Jerry Korb's MkI to Frank Samagaio's Pindertron.

I noticed that on the live recordings, Pinder uses what sounds to me 
like the Hammond C3 (left keyboard?) played in unison with 3 Violins 
to reinforce them and give them more body. Has anyone else noticed 
this? Could be my ears playing tricks again, though.

Bernie

--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, "charel196" <charel196@...> 
wrote:
>
> well in all fairness Mark he did say STUDIO sound ( and Tony 
Clarke wasn't involved with 
> Mike's solo stuff, if I recall.) Mike's sound didn't have that ice-
y Crimson/epitaph tone...all 
> of is tron layers had a warmth and nice lush reverb and I'm sure 
multiple tracks & panning, 
> which would be hard to pull off in a live setting even now, let 
alone in the 60s/70s. "Have 
> You Heard/The Voyage" on the Threshold album still gives me 
goosebumps. I really 
> thought back then it was a real symphony (before I knew what a 
tron was)
>   It sounds like Mike really rolled off the highs and boosted lows 
on his tron tracks, and as 
> i mentioned nice stereo reverbs and pans.
>  I actually like the tron bits on THE PROMISE...it's just the 
album songwriting as a whole 
> wasn't up to the expectations I had from a Pinder solo album. Very 
lightweight, jazzy MOR.

> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, mark kasian <easle12@> wrote:
> >
> > I would say that Mike Pinder and TONY CLARKE have the
> > best studio recorded Mellotron/Chamberlin sound
> > around. My second favorite is SFF.
> > 
> > Caught Live + 5 MK II leaves me cold and so do
> > Pinder's solo records. 
> > 
> > Mark.
> > --- "J.P." <tronlord927@> wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi Again Gang...
> > > 
> > > Concerning the "soaring Chamberlins" thread... no
> > > matter if you like the song or not... you have to
> > > admit that Mike Pinder has the most unique... and
> > > IMHO the best... 'Tron sound around!
> > > 
> > > On this subject... is there a way that we could set
> > > up a page here, dedicated to various recording, EQ,
> > > FX, and overdubbing 'Tron tips? Perhaps a page where
> > > we can all contribute, when we find something new...
> > > or hear of a trick that a group/individual  used to
> > > get "their" 'Tron sound... just a thought...
> > > 
> > > The ball's in your court now...
> > > 
> > > J.P.
> > > 
> > > MicroTron 001: ...after reading Anekdoten's blog on
> > > MySpace... wants to acquire a Marshall "Micro Stack"
> > > to record with...
> > > 
> > >  __________________________________________________
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
> > > protection around 
> > > http://mail.yahoo.com 
> > 
> > 
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----- Original Message ----- 

From: "mark kasian" <easle12@...>
To: "J.P." <tronlord927@...>; <Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Soaring Chamberlins... and a thought...


>I would say that Mike Pinder and TONY CLARKE have the
> best studio recorded Mellotron/Chamberlin sound
> around. My second favorite is SFF.

Strawberry Fields Forever or Schicke F\ufffdhrs & Fr\ufffdhling?  :-)



Andy T.

Does that have anything to do with German poo porn?

> Strawberry Fields Forever or Schicke F\ufffdhrs & Fr\ufffdhling?  :-)
>
>
>
> Andy T.
>

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "jonesalley" <jonesalley@...>
To: "Mellotronists" <Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 3:52 PM
Subject: [Mellotronists] Soaring Chamberlins... and a thought...


> Does that have anything to do with German poo porn?
>
>
>
>
>> Strawberry Fields Forever or Schicke F\ufffdhrs & Fr\ufffdhling?  :-)

There is such a thing? I wouldn't know, Jon, I wouldn't know...  :-)

Andy T.

All I can say is be really, really careful when you click on the link in an 
email from a spammer...

>
> There is such a thing? I wouldn't know, Jon, I wouldn't know...  :-)
>
> Andy T.
>

----- Original Message -----

----- Original Message -----

In a message dated 1/9/2007 4:24:24 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
kornowicz@... writes:

Ken  Leonard's website, which seems to be down at the moment, goes 
into some  detail as to why Pinder's MkII sounds so much different 
than the KC Trons.  When it comes up again, look for the audio 
comparisons of Jerry Korb's MkI  to Frank Samagaio's Pindertron.

I noticed that on the live recordings,  Pinder uses what sounds to me 
like the Hammond C3 (left keyboard?) played  in unison with 3 Violins 
to reinforce them and give them more body. Has  anyone else noticed 
this? Could be my ears playing tricks again,  though.

Bernie



Basically, KC's MkII's had the stock tube preamp (as does Jerry's  MkI) which 
yields more of that "icy" sound.  The Pindertron (#134) has  Mike's 
custom-built solid state preamp which rolls off the high end, giving it  that "warmer" 
Moodies sound.  The audio comparisons definitely highlight  these differences.
 
Regarding the Hammond sound, I don't detect this combination in  listening to 
live recordings in my music library, and never heard Mike use it in  the 6-7 
performances I attended between '68-'74.  He did use the Church  Organ 
(Station 6) for pitch bends, i.e, "Have You Heard", etc.  The Church  Organ was also 
used in the bridge section of "Peak Hour", along with the Italian  Accordion 
for the verses and final coda (adjacent tracks on Station 6 on his  stock MkII 
tapes -- which I have).
 
Frank 1

--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, MAinPsych@... wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 1/9/2007 4:24:24 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
> kornowicz@... writes:
> 
> Ken  Leonard's website, which seems to be down at the moment, goes 
> into some  detail as to why Pinder's MkII sounds so much different 
> than the KC Trons.  When it comes up again, look for the audio 
> comparisons of Jerry Korb's MkI  to Frank Samagaio's Pindertron.
> 
> I noticed that on the live recordings,  Pinder uses what sounds to 
me 
> like the Hammond C3 (left keyboard?) played  in unison with 3 
Violins 
> to reinforce them and give them more body. Has  anyone else 
noticed 
> this? Could be my ears playing tricks again,  though.
> 
> Bernie
> 
> 
> 
> Basically, KC's MkII's had the stock tube preamp (as does Jerry's  
MkI) which 
> yields more of that "icy" sound.  The Pindertron (#134) has  
Mike's 
> custom-built solid state preamp which rolls off the high end, 
giving it  that "warmer" 
> Moodies sound.  The audio comparisons definitely highlight  these 
differences.
>  
> Regarding the Hammond sound, I don't detect this combination in  
listening to 
> live recordings in my music library, and never heard Mike use it 
in  the 6-7 
> performances I attended between '68-'74.  He did use the Church  
Organ 
> (Station 6) for pitch bends, i.e, "Have You Heard", etc.  The 
Church  Organ was also 
> used in the bridge section of "Peak Hour", along with the Italian  
Accordion 
> for the verses and final coda (adjacent tracks on Station 6 on 
his  stock MkII 
> tapes -- which I have).
>  
> Frank 1
>

Frank 1,

Is this the Church Organ at the end of this sound file?

www.leisureland.us/audio/haveyouheardpt2.mp3

This clip is from the 1974 Japan concert. I think it's the sound 
I've often heard mixed with the 3 Violins, although I thought it was 
the C3 because of the slow Leslie sound.

Bernie

In a message dated 1/12/2007 6:25:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
djacques@... writes:

Its definitely the C3  sample on the Mellotron…


As I responded to Bernie, I have to disagree.  
 
 
My Response: "I see what you mean regarding what sounds like a slow  Leslie 
effect (on this clip).  Might be a mild phasing effect.  It is  the Church 
Organ.  Mike has shared that he used this sound for  pitch-bending (i.e., Have You 
Heard).  I think that if you listen to this  sound earlier in the song, it 
should clear it up.  It's the same organ  sound used on the bridge of Peak Hour 
from DOFP and the pitch bends on  Thinking Is The Best Way To Travel from 
ISOTLC.  I believe that  the MkII Hammond sound had 3rd harmonic percussion, and 
there definitely is  no percussive click on the Church Organ.  There is an 
example of the MkII  percussive Hammond sound on the fade out on one of the cuts 
on the "Rime"  CD."
 
Anyone can certainly feel free to agree or disagree.
 
Frank 1

--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 1/12/2007 9:19:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> kornowicz@... writes:
> 
>  
> This clip is from the 1974 Japan concert. I think it's the sound 
> I've  often heard mixed with the 3 Violins, although I thought it 
was 
> the C3  because of the slow Leslie sound.
> 
> Bernie
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> You'll have to live with it FOREVER!!!!!!!!  
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
>

Hi Frank,

How are you this evening ;)

Bernie

Its definitely the C3 sample on the Mellotron.

 

  _____  

From: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Bernie
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 6:11 PM
To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Mellotronists] Re: Soaring Chamberlins... and a thought...

 

--- In Mellotronists@ <mailto:Mellotronists%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, MAinPsych@... wrote:
>
> 
> In a message dated 1/9/2007 4:24:24 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
> kornowicz@... writes:
> 
> Ken Leonard's website, which seems to be down at the moment, goes 
> into some detail as to why Pinder's MkII sounds so much different 
> than the KC Trons. When it comes up again, look for the audio 
> comparisons of Jerry Korb's MkI to Frank Samagaio's Pindertron.
> 
> I noticed that on the live recordings, Pinder uses what sounds to 
me 
> like the Hammond C3 (left keyboard?) played in unison with 3 
Violins 
> to reinforce them and give them more body. Has anyone else 
noticed 
> this? Could be my ears playing tricks again, though.
> 
> Bernie
> 
> 
> 
> Basically, KC's MkII's had the stock tube preamp (as does Jerry's 
MkI) which 
> yields more of that "icy" sound. The Pindertron (#134) has 
Mike's 
> custom-built solid state preamp which rolls off the high end, 
giving it that "warmer" 
> Moodies sound. The audio comparisons definitely highlight these 
differences.
> 
> Regarding the Hammond sound, I don't detect this combination in 
listening to 
> live recordings in my music library, and never heard Mike use it 
in the 6-7 
> performances I attended between '68-'74. He did use the Church 
Organ 
> (Station 6) for pitch bends, i.e, "Have You Heard", etc. The 
Church Organ was also 
> used in the bridge section of "Peak Hour", along with the Italian 
Accordion 
> for the verses and final coda (adjacent tracks on Station 6 on 
his stock MkII 
> tapes -- which I have).
> 
> Frank 1
>

Frank 1,

Is this the Church Organ at the end of this sound file?

www.leisureland.us/audio/haveyouheardpt2.mp3

This clip is from the 1974 Japan concert. I think it's the sound 
I've often heard mixed with the 3 Violins, although I thought it was 
the C3 because of the slow Leslie sound.

Bernie

In a message dated 13/01/2007 02:25:44 GMT Standard Time,  djacques@csulb.edu 
writes:

 
 
 
 
Its definitely the C3  sample on the  Mellotron…






Well...Geoff Unwin, MKII demonstrator extraordinaire from th '60s  tells me 
that all the supposedly Hammond sounds on the MKII are in fact....wait  for 
it....a Lowry.  He was there and we weren't.
 
Martin
 
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Well, the Lowrey anecdote would certainly explain why it's never sounded like a Hammond to me.

  Well...Geoff Unwin, MKII demonstrator extraordinaire from th '60s tells me that all the supposedly Hammond sounds on the MKII are in fact....wait for it....a Lowry.  He was there and we weren't.

> Well...Geoff Unwin, MKII demonstrator extraordinaire from th '60s
> tells me that all the supposedly Hammond sounds on the MKII are in
> fact....wait  for it....a Lowry.  He was there and we weren't.

That makes more than a slight amount of sense. None of the 'Hammond'
sounds sound the least bit like a Hammond at all!

Mike Dickson (tron@...) M400 #996
The Official Cynic of Streetly Electronics
Streetly Sample Library http://www.blackcat.demon.co.uk/tron/