Mellotronists

Good riddance to him.

I know he's a Streetly friend etc..etc.., but he's the
only guy that has EVER threatened to fly to the US and
beat me up because  I didn't agree with his Mellotron
affiliations and opinions. He might be a great wealth
of Mellotrons, music, being British and a forensic
genius, but he has the personality of a cold sore and
I can do completely without it.

And Martin? You and I have a good understanding. You
and DK have patched things up I guess...but REALLY,
Mike makes you guys look like thugs. He's not the best
ambassador for your cause. 

My .02

Mark.
--- Donald Tillman <don@...> wrote:

> Various bits of hate mail (just kidding)...
> 
>    > From: Bob Snyder <bob.snyder@...>
>    > Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 06:58:45 -0800
>    > 
>    > I've been on this list since it started which
> is a long time. In
>    > all that time there have been a lot of rude
> messages, a lot of
>    > name calling, a lot of hurt feelings. That
> seems to be the nature
>    > of email lists -
> 
> I agree, there have been a lot of rude messages,
> name calling and hurt
> feelings.  That's *not* a good thing.
> 
> And that is *not* the nature of email lists, that's
> the nature of
> immature participants.  For comparision, check out
> the "synth-diy"
> list, which has long been a beacon of politeness, of
> learning, of
> sharing ideas in a positive environment, and with
> discussions that,
> almost without exception, end up expanding the state
> of the art of
> synthesizer design.
> 
>    > From: Mark Pring <markpringnz@...>
>    > Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 11:39:28 -0800 (PST)
>    > 
>    > Below is a copy of your email reply to Mark
> Wallis in July when
>    > he thought he had been removed from the group.
> 
> Okay.
> 
>    > I don't recall Mike making any threats. 
> 
> So I'm not allowed to elevate the standards of the
> list?  Would you be
> happier if I lowered the standards?  I'm sure you
> would.
> 
>    > I remember some one ( but not who) saying that
> one needed a very
>    > thick skin to be on the list. I think this is
> true,
> 
> I agree, and that's a Really Bad Thing.  Why should
> anybody need a
> thick skin?  Why shouldn't somebody be able to make
> an insightful
> point about music without a gang of brutes roughing
> him up?  Why
> shouldn't newcomers be welcomed in?  Why shouldn't
> people be treated
> with respect?
> 
>    > From: Jim Anderson <jimanderson@...>
>    > Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:26:17 -0800
>    > 
>    > I'd say for truth of advertising we should just
> rename the list to  
>    > Mellotronassholeists and welcome everyone.  
> 
> Jim, you have nailed the issue right there.
> 
>    > From: "jonesalley" <jonesalley@...>
>    > Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:40:47 -0600
>    > 
>    > I'm not going to venture an opinion on the list
> as to whether
>    > Mike should be a member or not.  I only wish to
> remind everyone
>    > that this is a private group that is owned and
> moderated solely
>    > by Don under Yahoo's terms, and while things
> are obviously
>    > free-ranging it is still Don's Yahoo! Group and
> not a democracy.
> 
> Jonesalley is correct.  But it's nothing really.  By
> nothing I mean
> it's a free service provided by Yahoo.
> 
>    > From: lsf5275@...
>    > Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 21:36:02 EST
>    > 
>    > Jon, without a doubt, that is (some of) the
> lamest bullshit I
>    > have ever read on this list.
> 
> No Frank, it's absolutely true.
> 
>    > Jon, Don might have started this list, but it
> now transcends
>    > him. It isn't his. It is all of ours and we
> trust him to moderate
>    > it.  But to do so, he must remain neutral and
> follow a fair set
>    > of rules. He doesn't get to throw people out
> that piss him
>    > off. That's not fair. We should all have a say.
> 
> Only in your fertile imagination, Frank.
> 
>    > Moderate, don't censor. 
> 
> First off, moderating a list takes way too much
> time.  The moderator
> has to read and decide on each posting in a timely
> manner.  I don't
> have time for that.  You see, I have a life, a
> family, a day job, and
> literally hundreds of really important projects I'm
> working on.  Hell,
> I don't even have time to read all my hate mail.
> 
> Secondly, if a list needs to be moderated, it's
> proof positive that
> the participants are far too immature to interact
> without adult
> supervision.
> 
> Third, you're advocating censorship.
> 
> Fourth, don't be telling me what to do.
> 
>    > From: Rick Blechta <rick@...>
>    > Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:33:50 -0500
>    > 
>    > Could I respectfully point out that at the
> beginning of this debacle,  
>    > you were what I considered very rude to me? 
> 
> Oh crap, I may have Blechta and Dickson confused. 
> Did I throw out the
> wrong guy?   :-)
> 
> ----------------
> 
> So, the issue here is that the manager of this list
> is at odds with
> the content of this list.  It's not doing any good
> for music or
> musical instruments, two things I care very much
> about.  There's way
> too much rudeness, way too much fighting, nothing
> positive.  And
> positivity is something I also care about.  
> 
> So I'm thinking this list, while started with the
> best of intentions,
> is actually doing more harm than good.  And that's
> not a good thing.
> 
>   -- Don
> 
> -- 
> Don Tillman
> Palo Alto, California
> don@...
> http://www.till.com
> 



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