I'm pretty sure that I never suggested the DX was a bad instrument. I only said that it was fated to be overcome by gear that was more accessible. There's no reason that a programming interface should be in Sanskrit, and that was the choice that Yamaha made, quite possibly in part to try to lock up their market share. The learning curve is a good thing, but if it is so steep that it interferes with creating music, it doesn't get climbed by many. FM is a powerful synthesis method indeed and I look forward to new implementations and instruments using it. I am fortunate enough to be a skilled subtractive programmer, I got pretty handy with the Kawai K-5 method of additive synthesis, and I can make my Korgs sit up and do tricks, but my DX-11 and DX-100 were so frustrating to even play around with that I decided that I was better off staying with stuff in which I already had developed some expertise. As far as musicians these days, I know ONE local keyboard player who programs, or at least tweaks his own sounds, the rest are just factory-program Johnnies, and their playing is as pathetic as their sounds. The modern keyboard player locally stands at his keyboards between songs toggling through sounds one at a time to find the "right" sound for each tune. It's fucking embarrassing to watch. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Tillman" <don@...> To: "jonesalley" <jonesalley@...> Cc: <Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 12:12 AM Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] return of the clones > > From: "jonesalley" <jonesalley@...> > > Sender: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com > > > > After reading with interest the points behind the clone debates > > over the last couple of days, what really strikes me is the > > comments about Memotrons and Mellotrons and DX-7's share a lot of > > ground. The problem with the DX-7 is the cryptic nature of the > > programming. > > Well, the DX-7 is a very special case. Here we have a breakthrough > design that solves a whole bunch of problems in a creative way and the > result is a whole new canvas of voices. > > Yamaha wanted to make a digital polyphonic synth, but given 1982 > technology they couldn't implement digital filters because real-time > digital multiply operations were just too expensive, and they couldn't > do sampling because memory was too expensive. So they put together a > very clever implementation of Stanford CCRMA's FM synthesis that only > uses real-time adds and table lookups. This was brilliant, it broke > all preconceptions and provided whole new ways to think about > electronic music. > > On the negative side, yeah, programming FM is unbelievably arcane. > It's like solving a Rubic's cube; really, you can be a move or two > from your goal and you wouldn't know it. And the primitive UI on the > DX-7 makes it like solving the Rubic's Cube through a letterbox. > Blindfolded. > > And yeah, it lacks warmth. And that clangy electric piano sound was > getting annoying after appearing on way too many really bad songs. > > But the thing about the DX-7 is that it wasn't trying to be something > it wasn't. FM synthesis does some things well, and there are many > things it can't do at all, and that's okay, and there are some other > things it does that nobody else can do, and that's great. The DX-7 > didn't pretend to be another instrument, although FM synthesis could > mimic some standard instruments (pianos, organs, flutes, etc.) better > in some ways than most samplers. > > > If an instrument requires that amount of effort to learn how to > > use and is actually counterintuitive to the already-established > > lexicon of sound generation, it eventually drives away users who > > will be attracted to something that provides similar sonic power > > with more ease of use. > > Certainly. But every musical instrument has a learning curve. Some > learning curves are longer and more difficult than others, some have a > steep beginning, some have a bigger payoff than others, some might > give the player some encouraging sense of accomplishment along the > way. > > Hey, at least with the DX-7 your fingers aren't left bleeding like > with the learning curve on a string bass, eh? Or your neighbors don't > burn your house down like with the learning curve on bagpipes. > > Are you suggesting that modern keyboard players demand instant > gratification and are not accepting of any learning curve? That may > be so. > > > A lot of the qualities of the Mellotron that make it such a > > powerful instrument could also as easily be described as > > liabilities by people who didn't find that it satisfied their > > quest for the right vibration. > > Sure, but that's true of just about any musical instrument. The road > of pleasing everybody leads to mediocrity, eh? > > -- Don > > -- > Don Tillman > Palo Alto, California > don@... > http://www.till.com
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Re: [Mellotronists] return of the clones
2007-06-07 by jonesalley
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