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Marcos wins again

Marcos wins again

2002-07-22 by Ronald McLeod

Maniacs . . .

Took the Mantis to a British Car show in Port Perry (northeast of Toronto)
on Saturday.  Since I live southwest of Toronto, I got to enjoy a 2-hour 100
mile drive on the backroads to get around Toronto, and another 2 hours back
again, in perfect weather.  Entrants got to vote for 3 awards - best saloon,
best production sports car, and best limited production sports car.  Believe
it or not, my Mantis won first place in the limited production category.

Regards . . . Ron McLeod

RE: [MarcosManiacs] Marcos wins again

2002-07-22 by Jeff Caraway

Congrats Ron!
My first car show experience wasn't as good. It was a local show with a
WIDE variety of cars. I was placed in the "sports car" category which
had everything from a 50s MGTD to a brand new Corvette and Acura NSX. I
had a constant stream of people and questions all day, but the awards in
my class went to the AC Cobras (1 original and 1 replica) which, oddly
enough, win this show EVERY year.
 
Jeff
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ronald McLeod [mailto:ronald.mcleod@...] 
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 7:33 AM
To: MarcosManiacs (E-mail)
Subject: [MarcosManiacs] Marcos wins again
 
Maniacs . . .

Took the Mantis to a British Car show in Port Perry (northeast of
Toronto)
on Saturday.  Since I live southwest of Toronto, I got to enjoy a 2-hour
100
mile drive on the backroads to get around Toronto, and another 2 hours
back
again, in perfect weather.  Entrants got to vote for 3 awards - best
saloon,
best production sports car, and best limited production sports car.
Believe
it or not, my Mantis won first place in the limited production category.

Regards . . . Ron McLeod





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RE: [MarcosManiacs] Marcos wins again

2002-07-25 by Ronald McLeod

Jeff . . .
This happens to Paul Dransfield and me every year. We take our cars to the Bronte Park British Car ;show in September. This is a huge show (over 1000 cars last year), with over 40 classes. It's run by the Toronto Triumph Club, so of course there are classes for every Triumph variant. But they also have separate classes for chrome and rubber bumper MGBs, and even a class for TVRs, for Jensens, for . . . You get the idea. Our Marcos cars get lumped into the ubiquitous "Other" class, where we compete against Aston Martins, Cobras, Allards, a fake Bugatti, Bonds, Gilberns, Reliants, and everything else that can't find a home in one of the available categories. Every year an Aston Martin wins the class. However, the crowds gather around our cars, and, like you, we spend most of the day answering questions, and raising and lowering the hood (bonnet) to satisfy the curious.

Regards . . . Ron McLeod
1970 Marcos Mantis P8/5858

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From: Jeff Caraway [mailto:DovenWolf@...]
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To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [MarcosManiacs] Marcos wins again

Congrats Ron!

My first car show experience wasn't as good. It was a local show with a WIDE variety of cars. I was placed in the "sports car" category which had everything from a 50s MGTD to a brand new Corvette and Acura NSX. I had a constant stream of people and questions all day, but the awards in my class went to the AC Cobras (1 original and 1 replica) which, oddly enough, win this show EVERY year.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Ronald McLeod [mailto:ronald.mcleod@...]
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 7:33 AM
To: MarcosManiacs (E-mail)
Subject: [MarcosManiacs] Marcos wins again

Maniacs . . .

Took the Mantis to a British Car show in Port Perry (northeast of Toronto)
on Saturday. Since I live southwest of Toronto, I got to enjoy a 2-hour 100
mile drive on the backroads to get around Toronto, and another 2 hours back
again, in perfect weather. Entrants got to vote for 3 awards - best saloon,
best production sports car, and best limited production sports car. Believe
it or not, my Mantis won first place in the limited production category.

Regards . . . Ron McLeod



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Re: [MarcosManiacs] Marcos wins again

2002-07-25 by Don Lattimer

I run into the same thing. For ten years with my Jensen-Healey I was always in that "class" and never even came close! Twice this year tho I have won with the Marcos. At Hayward Show it was called "Unique British" and at the Chico Show it was "Special Interest under $10000". That might be a suggestion for those who run the shows, i.e. have a split in the "special" class also. Heck, the MGs' are split into A's, B's (both chrome and rubber bumper), etc.
The "under $10000 class(when new) that I won did not have the Aston Martins, Bentleys', Rolls, etc. Sort of helped my chances!
Don Lattimer
#3m5759
Willits, CA
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Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 5:47 AM
Subject: RE: [MarcosManiacs] Marcos wins again

Jeff . . .
This happens to Paul Dransfield and me every year. We take our cars to the Bronte Park British Car show in September. This is a huge show (over 1000 cars last year), with over 40 classes. It's run by the Toronto Triumph Club, so of course there are classes for every Triumph variant. But they also have separate classes for chrome and rubber bumper MGBs, and even a class for TVRs, for Jensens, for . . . You get the idea. Our Marcos cars get lumped into the ubiquitous "Other" class, where we compete against Aston Martins, Cobras, Allards, a fake Bugatti, Bonds, Gilberns, Reliants, and everything else that can't find a home in one of the available categories. Every year an Aston Martin wins the class. However, the crowds gather around our cars, and, like you, we spend most of the day answering questions, and raising and lowering the hood (bonnet) to satisfy the curious.

Regards . . . Ron McLeod
1970 Marcos Mantis P8/5858

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Caraway [mailto:DovenWolf@carolina.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 8:30 AM
To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [MarcosManiacs] Marcos wins again

Congrats Ron!

My first car show experience wasn't as good. It was a local show with a WIDE variety of cars. I was placed in the "sports car" category which had everything from a 50s MGTD to a brand new Corvette and Acura NSX. I had a constant stream of people and questions all day, but the awards in my class went to the AC Cobras (1 original and 1 replica) which, oddly enough, win this show EVERY year.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Ronald McLeod [mailto:ronald.mcleod@...]
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 7:33 AM
To: MarcosManiacs (E-mail)
Subject: [MarcosManiacs] Marcos wins again

Maniacs . . .

Took the Mantis to a British Car show in Port Perry (northeast of Toronto)
on Saturday. Since I live southwest of Toronto, I got to enjoy a 2-hour 100
mile drive on the backroads to get around Toronto, and another 2 hours back
again, in perfect weather. Entrants got to vote for 3 awards - best saloon,
best production sports car, and best limited production sports car. Believe
it or not, my Mantis won first place in the limited production category.

Regards . . . Ron McLeod



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RE: [MarcosManiacs] Marcos wins again

2002-07-25 by Ronald McLeod

Don . . .
Great Marcos minds think alike! Here is an e-mail that I sent the the President of the Toronto Triumph Club back in October last year after the Bronte show:

"...

Dear Mr. Caratin . . .

Thank you very much for yet another thoroughly enjoyable British Car Day on September 16th. Great day, great turnout, great organization!

May I make a suggestion? The "Aston Martin and Other Sports" class DD is presently such a huge and disparate collection of cars that it is difficult to make valid comparisons amongst all the entrants. No doubt that the Aston Martin is a great car and worthy of winning the voters' approval, but then it should be, as it cost (both new and used) at least 10 times what a Gilbern, Reliant, Marcos, or other similar car fetches in the market-place. In reality, I think there are 2 distinct categories that should be recognized:

1. "exotics" such as Aston Martin, Allard, AC, Jensen Interceptor, etc which were generally characterized by metal bodies, high levels of fit and finish, and very high original prices.

2. "populars" such as TVR, Gilbern, Reliant, Marcos, etc which were generally characterized by fibreglass bodies, sourced-in engines and mechanicals (often from Triumph!), and much more affordable original prices.

I'm sure you want to avoid increasing the number of classes as much as possible. I note that class HH - TVR has had declining attendance over the past several years, with only 3 entrants this year. Expanding HH to include the fibreglass cars, and leaving the exotics in DD would accomplish my suggestion without an increase in the number of classes.

And, yes, I'm not an entirely disinterested observer. I own the silver-blue Marcos Mantis that has appeared for the last 6 years at British Car Day in the "Other" class.

..."

Regards . . . Ron McLeod
1970 Marcos Mantis P8/5858

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Subject: Re: [MarcosManiacs] Marcos wins again

I run into the same thing. For ten years with my Jensen-Healey I was always in that "class" and never even came close! Twice this year tho I have won with the Marcos. At Hayward Show it was called "Unique British" and at the Chico Show it was "Special Interest under $10000". That might be a suggestion for those who run the shows, i.e. have a split in the "special" class also. Heck, the MGs' are split into A's, B's (both chrome and rubber bumper), etc.
The "under $10000 class(when new) that I won did not have the Aston Martins, Bentleys', Rolls, etc. Sort of helped my chances!
Don Lattimer
#3m5759
Willits, CA
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 5:47 AM
Subject: RE: [MarcosManiacs] Marcos wins again

Jeff . . .
This happens to Paul Dransfield and me every year. We take our cars to the Bronte Park British Car show in September. This is a huge show (over 1000 cars last year), with over 40 classes. It's run by the Toronto Triumph Club, so of course there are classes for every Triumph variant. But they also have separate classes for chrome and rubber bumper MGBs, and even a class for TVRs, for Jensens, for . . . You get the idea. Our Marcos cars get lumped into the ubiquitous "Other" class, where we compete against Aston Martins, Cobras, Allards, a fake Bugatti, Bonds, Gilberns, Reliants, and everything else that can't find a home in one of the available categories. Every year an Aston Martin wins the class. However, the crowds gather around our cars, and, like you, we spend most of the day answering questions, and raising and lowering the hood (bonnet) to satisfy the curious.

Regards . . . Ron McLeod
1970 Marcos Mantis P8/5858

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Caraway [mailto:DovenWolf@...]
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 8:30 AM
To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [MarcosManiacs] Marcos wins again

Congrats Ron!

My first car show experience wasn't as good. It was a local show with a WIDE variety of cars. I was placed in the "sports car" category which had everything from a 50s MGTD to a brand new Corvette and Acura NSX. I had a constant stream of people and questions all day, but the awards in my class went to the AC Cobras (1 original and 1 replica) which, oddly enough, win this show EVERY year.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Ronald McLeod [mailto:ronald.mcleod@...]
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 7:33 AM
To: MarcosManiacs (E-mail)
Subject: [MarcosManiacs] Marcos wins again

Maniacs . . .

Took the Mantis to a British Car show in Port Perry (northeast of Toronto)
on Saturday. Since I live southwest of Toronto, I got to enjoy a 2-hour 100
mile drive on the backroads to get around Toronto, and another 2 hours back
again, in perfect weather. Entrants got to vote for 3 awards - best saloon,
best production sports car, and best limited production sports car. Believe
it or not, my Mantis won first place in the limited production category.

Regards . . . Ron McLeod



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