Apple Logic Pro /LogicExpress Discussion

On Dec 30, 2004, at 10:43 PM, Jon Pyre wrote:

>
>  And in this paradise what do artist eat?
>
>  Well maybe if people weren't paying $100 tickets to empower Mick 
> they'd have more than dirty dishes and a turkey sandwich. 

Excuse me.  I am totally lost here.  How exactly does that work.  Do 
you think the Stones have somehow crippled the economy?  Is it the 
Stones fault that your career has not gotten off the ground.  If the 
stones let people steal from them more freely would that fix 
everything?

> It used to be that only the rich had art, Now the rich've turned sue 
> happy laywer, and left music lackluster? Copy, Loop, Paste... is why 
> you can't pay the bills and have your production all at the same time.

Again I am confused about what it is you are trying to say.  You seem 
to be implying that "the rich" of the old days and the modern "rich 
artists" are somehow the same entity.  In the old days the aristocracy 
commissioned art and the artists had to kiss aristocratic butt to stay 
alive, they had little to no protection for their ideas outside of the 
aristocratic patronage system and if they fell from grace they were 
screwed.  These days some artists actually can get rich but they are 
not "the rich" of the old days that you refer to who were in fact "the 
aristocracy".  Under the old system it would have been impossible for 
an artist ever to have been "the rich" these days it is possible for an 
artist to get rich and sometimes rich artists sue people, but unlike 
the old days these days poor artists also sue rich ones and the rich 
ones do not have aristocratic patrons to protect them when they are 
caught stealing from poor ones.  In your opinion is the system of 
aristocratic patronage somehow superior to that of system of 
intellectual property laws that apply equally to all?

>  Even if we don't make any money are we less musician? 

No, not making money does not make you less a musician, not making 
*music* makes you less a musician.  Stealing the few musical ideas your 
record contains makes you less a musician.


> Eat, breathe, sleep music without greed.

Picasso by all accounts was one greedy son of a bitch, he worked night 
and day because there were people buying his art and he loved the 
money.  And also enjoyed the power his commodity gave him over the 
people around him.  Nobody says that Picasso was not an artist.

> Everybody pays their dues. 

No not really, some talented people are just born with nice voices and 
nice faces and luck out and hit right away, while many many more people 
pay their dues all their life and end up with nothing.  Talent is 
something some people have and others don't.  No amount of whining will 
change that.  The truly greedy small hearted people are the ones that 
simply cannot accept that the artists who create work that the world 
loves and listens too year after year have actually done something 
special and deserve to be rewarded for it, and instead sit and groan 
about how unfair the system is and how they should be getting a piece 
of the action too and if they are not rich like the big boys then the 
big boys just must not deserve what they have got.

Basically underneath it all what I see these people saying is: "If I 
cant have what you have, then you shouldn't have it either."  Isn't 
*that* lovely.