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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Dissolving Paper 2

2004-11-14 by Thomas

Am I the only one hav'n a bad run with the email address at the bottom of this page ??
http://www.mitsui.com/mdp/mdppage.htm


Thomas
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Re: Dissolving Paper 2

2004-11-14 by crankorgan

Give it time to load.  They show normal sheets of paper that dissolve
when hit with water. They are asking for uses for the paper. I figure
Steve could represent the group and get some samples. There is also
contact info. I think this is what you guys are looking for. Just
don't flush the paper down the sink. Use the Toilet!




--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas" <teecee@c...> wrote:
> Am I the only one hav'n a bad run with the email address at the
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Dissolving Paper 2

2004-11-14 by John Kent

My messages to it have bounced  ...   John
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  Am I the only one hav'n a bad run with the email address at the bottom of this page ??
  http://www.mitsui.com/mdp/mdppage.htm


  Thomas


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    Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Dissolving Paper 2



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Re: Dissolving Paper 2

2004-11-15 by Phil

This looks like a slightly better deal and *should* be easier to
obtain.  My local Jo-Anns didn't have it but I got free blank stares
from the clerks when I asked so it wasn't a wasted trip...  Worth a
try as you can see clearly on the picture of the product a mention of
working in copiers.  They also have a product called RinsAway paper
that disolves but it looked very uneven and probably would not print well.

I'll try their super-store that's a bit farther away next.

http://www.joann.com/catalog.jhtml;$sessionid$IQTUE4YAAGPXKP4SY5LRIHR50LD3UEPO?CATID=82283&PRODID=74030

I noticed that the RinsAway stuff is 100% PVA which makes me wonder if
that might work for coating paper with out wrinkling.

Phil

Re: Dissolving Paper 2

2004-11-15 by crankorgan

Phil,
     The stuff seems to be very common on the Internet. It's a shame
the email address on that other place is bad. I though I had it for
sure that time. I used to have a SoFro near by. I used several of
their products for something other then sewing. As sewing died out I
lost the SoFro.  

                                       John 



--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Phil" <phil1960us@y...> wrote:
> 
> This looks like a slightly better deal and *should* be easier to
> obtain.  My local Jo-Anns didn't have it but I got free blank stares
> from the clerks when I asked so it wasn't a wasted trip...  Worth a
> try as you can see clearly on the picture of the product a mention of
> working in copiers.  They also have a product called RinsAway paper
> that disolves but it looked very uneven and probably would not print
well.
> 
> I'll try their super-store that's a bit farther away next.
> 
>
http://www.joann.com/catalog.jhtml;$sessionid$IQTUE4YAAGPXKP4SY5LRIHR50LD3UEPO?CATID=82283&PRODID=74030
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> I noticed that the RinsAway stuff is 100% PVA which makes me wonder if
> that might work for coating paper with out wrinkling.
> 
> Phil

Re: Dissolving Paper 2

2004-11-15 by cybermace5

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Phil" <phil1960us@y...> wrote:
> 
> This looks like a slightly better deal and *should* be easier to
> obtain.  My local Jo-Anns didn't have it but I got free blank stares
> from the clerks when I asked so it wasn't a wasted trip...  Worth a
> try as you can see clearly on the picture of the product a mention of
> working in copiers.  They also have a product called RinsAway paper
> that disolves but it looked very uneven and probably would not print
well.
> 
> I'll try their super-store that's a bit farther away next.
> 
>
http://www.joann.com/catalog.jhtml;$sessionid$IQTUE4YAAGPXKP4SY5LRIHR50LD3UEPO?CATID=82283&PRODID=74030
> 
> I noticed that the RinsAway stuff is 100% PVA which makes me wonder if
> that might work for coating paper with out wrinkling.
> 
> Phil


This all looks very interesting...at $8 for 10 sheets you could still
just use Press 'n Peel, but if this dissolving paper can be obtained
in bulk it might work really well. If it stands up to copiers it
should be able to handle ironing OK.

If this stuff really dissolves that quickly, and doesn't hinder the
etching process much, you might be able to dump the board into the
etch with the paper still on.

Re: Dissolving Paper 2

2004-11-15 by Steve

I'm trying; I'm CCing it to the list. If nothing else, there's an
office 45 minutes from me in Seattle.

Steve Greenfield

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "John Kent" <moonshadow@n...> wrote:
> My messages to it have bounced  ...   John
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Thomas 
>   To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 2:48 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Dissolving Paper 2
> 
> 
>   Am I the only one hav'n a bad run with the email address at the
bottom of this page ??
>   http://www.mitsui.com/mdp/mdppage.htm
>

Re: Dissolving Paper 2

2004-11-15 by crankorgan

Steve,
       The spy paper also looks good. Can you phone the company that
is bouncing the Emails?

                                       John



--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <alienrelics@y...> wrote:
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> I'm trying; I'm CCing it to the list. If nothing else, there's an
> office 45 minutes from me in Seattle.
> 
> Steve Greenfield
> 
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "John Kent" <moonshadow@n...>
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> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
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> >   Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 2:48 PM
> >   Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Dissolving Paper 2
> > 
> > 
> >   Am I the only one hav'n a bad run with the email address at the
> bottom of this page ??
> >   http://www.mitsui.com/mdp/mdppage.htm
> >

Re: Dissolving Paper 2

2004-11-15 by Steve

That Mitsui.com link bounced for postmaster@, webmaster@, and sales@,
but so far the original email address has not bounced back.


I found that quilters Dissolve Away Foundation Paper online for $4.04
for 12 sheets:

<http://www.createforless.com/search/searchResults.asp?SearchAction=Restart&SearchHistory=2%2C33%7C1%2C%2D1%7C5%2C97%7C9%2C8104&pType=craft+supplies>

Steve Greenfield

Re: Dissolving Paper 2

2004-11-15 by Steve

It hasn't bounced yet, but if I don't get a reply in a day I'll call them.

Interested in the online store that carries the water soluble paper
for only $4.04 for 12 sheets. That works out to about 30 cents per
sheet, say 35 cents after adding in shipping.

Steve Greenfield

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "crankorgan" <john@k...> wrote:
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> Steve,
>        The spy paper also looks good. Can you phone the company that
> is bouncing the Emails?

Re: Dissolving Paper 2

2004-11-15 by cybermace5

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <alienrelics@y...> wrote:
> 
> It hasn't bounced yet, but if I don't get a reply in a day I'll call
them.
> 
> Interested in the online store that carries the water soluble paper
> for only $4.04 for 12 sheets. That works out to about 30 cents per
> sheet, say 35 cents after adding in shipping.
> 
> Steve Greenfield


If it holds a sharp image and dissolves away easily, then it's an even
better option than Press 'n Peel at the same price. In my mind there
are actually two major advantages: 1. no paper residue stuck between
fine traces, and 2. no risk of pulling off small traces. It would also
be much much faster. As I said before, possibly allowing us to drop
everything into the etch straight from the iron. Printer to tank in
one minute.

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Dissolving Paper 2

2004-11-15 by Stefan Trethan

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:03:24 -0000, cybermace5 <cybermace5@...>  
wrote:

>
> If it holds a sharp image and dissolves away easily, then it's an even
> better option than Press 'n Peel at the same price. In my mind there
> are actually two major advantages: 1. no paper residue stuck between
> fine traces, and 2. no risk of pulling off small traces. It would also
> be much much faster. As I said before, possibly allowing us to drop
> everything into the etch straight from the iron. Printer to tank in
> one minute.
>


I wouldn't want the smudge in my etchant..

AND i'm of the curious sort - much to curious to let a board be etched  
without checking the artwork.
Imagine that - last time i accidentally transferred the component legend  
to the copper side and the
copper artwork to the top! All in one go has it's drawbacks...

I'm merely curious about the dissolving paper, for me removing the paper  
isn't really an issue.

ST

Re: Dissolving Paper 2

2004-11-15 by Steve

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <alienrelics@y...> wrote:

> I found that quilters Dissolve Away Foundation Paper online for $4.04
> for 12 sheets:
> 
>
<http://www.createforless.com/search/searchResults.asp?SearchAction=Restart&SearchHistory=2%2C33%7C1%2C%2D1%7C5%2C97%7C9%2C8104&pType=craft+supplies>

Checked by doing an order short of actually entering my credit card:
Shipping on 5 packs (total of 60 sheets at $4.04 a pack) is $7.95 from
where-ever they are to Tacoma, WA. Works out to just shy of 50 cents a
sheet.

Steve Greenfield

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