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Removing paper after toner transfer?

2004-07-20 by Thomas P. Gootee

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Hi all.

The latest type of paper that I've been using for toner transfer (the
"Staples Picture Paper") is a little more difficult to remove from the
board than I'd like it to be. It seems especially difficult to remove from
the 0.02" square drill-hole marks that I make on my patterns.

I am wondering if anyone ever found a relatively easy way to remove the
paper residue from small drill-hole marks.

I realize that some papers are much easier to remove than others. But I
like the Staples Picture Paper's other qualities so much that I would
probably rather deal with the hole-residue-removal problem than switch to a
paper that is easier to remove but isn't as good in other ways. Of course,
if there is a paper that is much easier to remove that is at least as good
as the Staples paper in the other ways, then I'm all ears!

The Staples paper is the only one that I've found that prints with
perfectly-even blacks, even in very large black areas, i.e. with absolutely
*NO* pinholes whatsoever, ever (using my HP LJ 4 and HP-brand toner). I
also get superb strength in the toner's adhesion to the copper, although I
don't know how much that's affected by the use of this paper.

So far, I've just usually used a stiff toothbrush, moving in tight circular
motions, to get the paper residue out of the drill-hole areas.

I could try a stiffer, larger brush. But I'm afraid that it might tend to
damage the tracks. (I will try it, though, and report back.)

I've also tried running the boards through the dishwasher, with and without
the soap, when all of the paper had already been removed, except for the
holes' residue. Not much luck, there, even though I positioned the boards
so the pattern would take the full force of the water from several of the
water nozzles at close range. (However, it WAS on the TOP rack... Maybe I
should try the bottom rack.)

Or, perhap someone knows of a solvent that will dissolve paper/clay/etc but
not the plastic toner (and not the FR4). That seems like it might help, if
there is such a thing. If no one here knows of anything like that, I'll
post the question to some of the sci.chemistry types of newsgroups and
report back.

Tom Gootee

http://www.fullnet.com/u/tomg

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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Removing paper after toner transfer?

2004-07-20 by Stefan Trethan

You can use foam rubber to rub the paper off.
It doesn't work that much better than a toothbrush.

For mounting that steel plate, i'd use 2 flat steel pieces (or angeled to
prevent bending) over the lid with screws to the
edges of the plate. I'd place rubber under the flat steel and tighten the
screws to prevent
moving of that plate.

You probably know aluminum plate would be better but is harder to get.

well, good luck.. oh, yes, 2 minutes sounds very long to me.
It definitely isn't that long in my fuser.

ST




On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:15:02 -0500, Thomas P. Gootee <tomg@...>
wrote:

Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> -----------------------------------
>
> Hi all.
>
> The latest type of paper that I've been using for toner transfer (the
> "Staples Picture Paper") is a little more difficult to remove from the
> board than I'd like it to be. It seems especially difficult to remove
> from
> the 0.02" square drill-hole marks that I make on my patterns.
>
> I am wondering if anyone ever found a relatively easy way to remove the
> paper residue from small drill-hole marks.
>
> I realize that some papers are much easier to remove than others. But I
> like the Staples Picture Paper's other qualities so much that I would
> probably rather deal with the hole-residue-removal problem than switch
> to a
> paper that is easier to remove but isn't as good in other ways. Of
> course,
> if there is a paper that is much easier to remove that is at least as
> good
> as the Staples paper in the other ways, then I'm all ears!
>
> The Staples paper is the only one that I've found that prints with
> perfectly-even blacks, even in very large black areas, i.e. with
> absolutely
> *NO* pinholes whatsoever, ever (using my HP LJ 4 and HP-brand toner). I
> also get superb strength in the toner's adhesion to the copper, although
> I
> don't know how much that's affected by the use of this paper.
>
> So far, I've just usually used a stiff toothbrush, moving in tight
> circular
> motions, to get the paper residue out of the drill-hole areas.
>
> I could try a stiffer, larger brush. But I'm afraid that it might tend
> to
> damage the tracks. (I will try it, though, and report back.)
>
> I've also tried running the boards through the dishwasher, with and
> without
> the soap, when all of the paper had already been removed, except for the
> holes' residue. Not much luck, there, even though I positioned the boards
> so the pattern would take the full force of the water from several of the
> water nozzles at close range. (However, it WAS on the TOP rack... Maybe
> I
> should try the bottom rack.)
>
> Or, perhap someone knows of a solvent that will dissolve paper/clay/etc
> but
> not the plastic toner (and not the FR4). That seems like it might help,
> if
> there is such a thing. If no one here knows of anything like that, I'll
> post the question to some of the sci.chemistry types of newsgroups and
> report back.
>
> Tom Gootee
>
> http://www.fullnet.com/u/tomg
>
> ------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Bookmarks and files:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBs
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Removing paper after toner transfer?

2004-07-20 by Alexandre Souza

> The latest type of paper that I've been using for toner transfer (the
> "Staples Picture Paper") is a little more difficult to remove from the
> board than I'd like it to be. It seems especially difficult to remove
from
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> the 0.02" square drill-hole marks that I make on my patterns.
> I am wondering if anyone ever found a relatively easy way to remove the
> paper residue from small drill-hole marks.

I've told you..."TIME Magazine" paper is the best. Just tear a page from
your weekly time magazine, and run it thru the laser printer. Is the easiest
paper to work with!


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2004-07-21 by Steve

Hi, Tom. Glad you found out what it took to get your press working.
I've got a commercial Tshirt press, too, I use it to make Tshirts, but
I'm glad to know I can use it for toner transfer, too.

I have a request: could you please disable winmail.dat when sending to
the list? Normally attachments are stripped, occassionally it shows as
a bunch of junk characters at the end of your messages.

This is for everyone else, too. And try not to post one line "thanks"
messages with 5 pages of quoted text below. ;')

I don't know when Yahoogroups will start trimming earlier messages to
save space, I'd rather it be later than earlier as there is a lot of
good stuff here from the very beginning.

Thanks,
Steve Greenfield
Homebrew_PCBs listowner

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